[TW2][MOD/MERGE] Lusit's Patch

[lusit]

[TW2][MOD/MERGE] Lusit's Patch

Hey. A while ago I tried to make a modding guide for The Witcher 2, but found a lot of the mods were incompatible with each other, due to the xml files overwriting each other. It took a couple days, but I merged a couple mods together (this only replaces the files that are needed to merge them, all the other mods used are still needed to use them).

Mods merged:

Mutagenology for patch 2
Better Combat
Complete Equipment Overhaul
Market Price Mod

In addition to this, I have modified Better Combat so it works on Patch 2.

Download here:http://www.mediafire.com/?yxp368qi94y2xsq

 

[Corylea.723]

That sounds like it could be useful. Do you have permission from the mods' original authors to use their stuff in your work?

 

[lusit]

That sounds like it could be useful. Do you have permission from the mods' original authors to use their stuff in your work?

Like I said earlier, you can't use the mod without installing the mods first. It's a supplemental patch, it still requires downloading and installing every other mod.

I ran this over with some people big in TES mod scene, they said this was fine.

 

[Kindo.824]

Aye, since it's not redistributing the mods themselves, I think it's alright. I can only speak for myself, though.

That's pretty nifty; kudos on the (undoubtedly) hard work you put into this. I would consider putting it up on the Nexus, however, since it's easier to spot over there.

 

[dragonbird]

Could you clarify on the changes to "Better Combat"? What changes have been made, and does this still require the original to be installed? I'd got the impression from the Nexus that there were issues over releasing updates. The discussion seems to have been mainly about what changes to make manually, as the original modder seems to have disappeared and people seem to have had problems getting permission to take it over.

 

[lusit]

Aye, since it's not redistributing the mods themselves, I think it's alright. I can only speak for myself, though.

That's pretty nifty; kudos on the (undoubtedly) hard work you put into this. I would consider putting it up on the Nexus, however, since it's easier to spot over there.

I generally don't like the nexus, seeing as how they monetize other people's mods. I can't support that. I'll probably eventually put it on the nexus, though.

I mainly made it for personal use AND for a guide I wrote to TW2 modding (shameless plug incoming): http://www.somethingfornobody.com/2011/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings-mod-guide/

EDIT:

@Dragonbird: I believe I used the changes given in the comments section on Better Combat. Overall the mod was pretty simple to make, mostly just repitious changes using WinMerge and Visual Studio. I beleive I credited the guy who came up with them in the readme. If I haven't, I'll definitely update the mod with a readme that credits him.

If anyone has any suggestions, critiques, etc I would be happy to hear them.

 

[soldiergeralt]

xml modding hardly warrants that kind of ip protection.

it's simple enough that people can come up with the same modifications independently, so i don't see how anyone can claim any of it as "their work".

 

[lusit]

xml modding hardly warrants that kind of ip protection.

it's simple enough that people can come up with the same modifications independently, so i don't see how anyone can claim any of it as "their work".

It's just mod scene ettiquette bullshit. I personally hate it, but I would be some sort of pariah if I broke the unwritten rules of mod line ettiquette, credit, whatever.

 

[dragonbird]

The Nexus doesn't monetarise other peoples' mods, but they DO follow that modding etiquette, which means you don't edit other peoples' mods and put them up on third-party sites without credit and without their permission. The author of Better Combat expressly requested that permission be asked. The rules are not unwritten, they're clearly spelled out at the location where he chose to upload it.

@seamusgod. That would be a good argument for several of my own mods, but Better Combat is something that took a lot of thought and work, from the modder, from the guy who worked with him to do the multi-lingual translations, from the guy who actually worked out and published the changes that were needed to get it to work with 2.0.

@Lusit. If you don't like the mod scene etiquette, the solution is simple. Make your own mods, or go without. No modder owes you anything.

 

[lusit]

The Nexus doesn't monetarise other peoples' mods, but they DO follow that modding etiquette, which means you don't edit other peoples' mods and put them up on third-party sites without credit and without their permission. The author of Better Combat expressly requested that permission be asked. The rules are not unwritten, they're clearly spelled out at the location where he chose to upload it.

@seamusgod. That would be a good argument for several of my own mods, but Better Combat is something that took a lot of thought and work, from the modder, from the guy who worked with him to do the multi-lingual translations, from the guy who actually worked out and published the changes that were needed to get it to work with 2.0.

@Lusit. If you don't like the mod scene etiquette, the solution is simple. Make your own mods, or go without. No modder owes you anything.

That's untrue, though. With all respect. the Nexus does monetize mods. The ridiculous amounts of advertising makes lots of money. The creator of nexus (dark0ne) has said he's in it for the money. He's actually been called out on it by other members of TES mod scene and was straight up bitchslapped. He's broken etiquette himself. In fact he has/does active encourage(d) breaking etiquette. TESNexus was originally a site to upload stuff regardless of rules. They still don't take down mods for etiquette, only rips.

Edit: Also, if I didn't elaborate before, my "patch" still requires external files from all of the seperate mods.

 

[dragonbird]

So, let's see. Looking at your readme file (the one called 'README NIGGER.TXT'), you don't credit any of the original modders, you don't credit the guy who actually DID the 2.0 Better Combat mod, you say you also "fiddled with some things so that it was a bit more lore friendly", which sounds like you added further changes despite it being expressly against the wishes of at least one of the modders concerned, and you require that anyone who re-uses/redistributes this work credits you.

Nice.

(And you probably need to check your sources for those opinions of The Nexus and Dark One, given the fact that you're making so much use of content from there. Most critics seem to be people who were banned for one reason or another)

 

[lusit]

So, let's see. Looking at your readme file (the one called 'README NIGGER.TXT'), you don't credit any of the original modders, you don't credit the guy who actually DID the 2.0 Better Combat mod, you say you also "fiddled with some things so that it was a bit more lore friendly", which sounds like you added further changes despite it being expressly against the wishes of at least one of the modders concerned, and you require that anyone who re-uses/redistributes this work credits you.

Nice.

(And you probably need to check your sources for those opinions of The Nexus and Dark One, given the fact that you're making so much use of content from there. Most critics seem to be people who were banned for one reason or another)

The reason for that is that the patch was originally a supplemental for a guide I did. It already linked to all of the other mods used in the patch (save the guy who did the fixes, I'll have to fix that. Although, he himself said that he just grabbed code from the Witcher 2.0 patch files).

Also, my source is someone who's been in the mod community for years, and is actually one of the principle coders on OBGE and MGE (was, at least). The Nexus is a pretty shoddy site, despite it being easier to use than Steam Workshop (which is absolute trash) or planet elder scolls (which is unfortunately a bit clunky).

Also, the general consensus is something like what I'm doing, since it's supplemental, doesn't need permissions.

Anyway, I really don't want to get into an internet argument. So sorry if I've offended you.

EDIT: Checked over my file, I name every mod utilized in the guide, just don't name their creator. I suppose I'll fix that or whatever.

 

[Corylea.723]

So, let's see. Looking at your readme file (the one called 'README NIGGER.TXT'),

Lusit, you called a file "README NIGGER.TXT"? That's wildly offensive. What were you thinking?

 

[dragonbird]

Although, he himself said that he just grabbed code from the Witcher 2.0 patch files).

This is called modding. It's what modders do. Using the developers' files is normal.

Also, the general consensus is something like what I'm doing, since it's supplemental, doesn't need permissions.

Then start getting your info from reputable sources.

I don't know where you got this idea from, but the general consensus is that unless someone says it's OK to take their work and re-use it, you don't. And unless they say it's OK to add to it without crediting them, you credit them. And if they don't care whether you credit them or not, you STILL don't claim it to be your own work.

Kindo has already said that he has no issue with what you're doing regarding CEO, so that isn't an issue. The other two mods allows you to add to them as long as you credit the original authors, which you didn't. Better Combat does not permit further mods without permission.

 

[secondchildren]

Just downloaded and this is what I read in README NIGGER.txt

You are free to do whatever you want with this, as long as I'm credited.

So basically, you want to be credit, but you're not crediting the original modders?

EDIT: Checked over my file, I name every mod utilized in the guide, just don't name their creator. I suppose I'll fix that or whatever.

Can you tell which file, coz I cannot see.

 

[Kindo.824]

It seems I must revise my original reply. Silly me didn't bother downloading the thing and looking up the Readme, in order to give you a more informed response to what you are doing. Bear with me, as I still don't intend to publicly denounce your work as 'theft' or what not.

It's just mod scene ettiquette bullshit. I personally hate it, but I would be some sort of pariah if I broke the unwritten rules of mod line ettiquette, credit, whatever.

So, let's see. Looking at your readme file (the one called 'README NIGGER.TXT'), you don't credit any of the original modders, you don't credit the guy who actually DID the 2.0 Better Combat mod, you say you also "fiddled with some things so that it was a bit more lore friendly", which sounds like you added further changes despite it being expressly against the wishes of at least one of the modders concerned, and you require that anyone who re-uses/redistributes this work credits you.

Lusit, you called a file "README NIGGER.TXT"? That's wildly offensive. What were you thinking?

So basically, you want to be credit, but you're not crediting the original modders?

The keyword in modding, and anything that is in any way related to other people's work, or even simply dealing with other people in general, is etiquette. This word has already popped up in the previous replies, so it seems we're all familiar with it. The thing about etiquette (in truth, 'good manners' might be more easily understandable for most people), is that it is not supposed to dictate some form of law-enforced rules or regulations set up by society; abide by them or get fined, or some such. No, etiquette is simply being a nice person, and to behave in a friendly and pleasant manner, even if there are no outside laws or regulations forcing you to do so.

What you are doing is bad etiquette. Since you are not re-distributing the original mod (CEO, in this case), I can't call you on that; as I said, I'm fine with the work you've done, and I do not feel that it fringes on what is commonly known as 'taking someone's work and calling it your own' or 'using someone else's work and distributing it elsewhere without permission.' It is, however, common, decent behaviour to still give credit to the mods' creators, and the fact that you, yourself, request credit to be given to you, speaks of a hypocritical and generally thoughtless attitude.

The fact that a lot of hard work has (likely) gone into this, remains, and you are definitely to be credited for that. I'm sure a lot of people other than yourself have wished for a way to use all of the mods included, simultaneously, so I'm also convinced the work itself will be appreciated by others. You would have won a lot more gratefulness (and respect) if you hadn't behaved so rudely about it; even disregarding the moronically named readme file, this could have been handled a lot better. It's not like sending the respective mod authors a quick note, asking if they're okay with it, and also crediting them in some way, would kill you. It's a nicety, is all, and people who can't be bothered with niceties are the ones making this society of ours such a miserable place to live in (exaggerating and over-generalising, I know).

Alright, I think I've fulfilled my need for being heard (read) for now.

 

[lusit]

I suppose the best thing to do right now is apologise. I didn't think when naming it, and I've been a bit of a total ass. I have no excuse.

I'm currently adding a credits section and changing the filename. Stuff should be up within the hour.

EDIT: Updated.

 

[dragonbird]

Thank you.

 

[Corylea.723]

Thanks, Lusit!

 

[Seeker.217]

Thank you Lusit