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Smurfin

Senior user
#101
Jun 5, 2015
This forum really gives freedom of speech you can even compare, mention or bring other games, usually official forums are very strict about bringing up subjects about other game/company.
 
SofaJockey

SofaJockey

Senior user
#102
Jun 5, 2015
Ellie92 said:
With "social justice" I meant Anita Sarkeesian's influence on it. Everything about the female characters feels to be fitted her view of what is appropriate for women and what is not. Which made them damn boring for me.
Witcher's women didn't feel like that. They were far more diverse any way more interesting for me.
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Where did you get that strange idea from?
Anita has nothing to do with BioWare, she has criticised BioWare's output in the past.
 
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Jou05

Rookie
#103
Jun 5, 2015
SofaJockey said:
Where did you get that strange idea from?
Anita has nothing to do with BioWare, she has criticised BioWare's output in the past.
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The females in DA:I aren't the most attractive though (to say it in a nice way) and it does feel like they pandered to Anita's ideas in how their personalities
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No comparison with TW3 where the female characters feel real AND are sexy too
 
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Rawls

Moderator
#104
Jun 5, 2015
Jou05 said:
Both franchises went open world with their third installment

So for people who played both, which one succeeded? Which game is better?
No Bioware vs CDPR wars please lets talk about the games

Honestly after playing TW3 I doubt I can ever go back to DA:I, the latter feels so lackluster and medicore compared to TW3
I wasn't as disappointed with DA:I (when I played it for the first time) as I'm now (after playing TW3)

Anyway my comparison:

What DA:I did better:
Save Import and Cameos (TW3 failed here imho, our TW2 choices sadly meant nothing)
Not as standalone as TW3 (TW3 is too simplified for newcomers, DA:I had better continuity)

What TW3 does better:
Story (DA:I was just your typical saving the world cliche story)
Side Quests (especially these were just lazily done in DA:I, its like they didn't even try, go fetch me my ring powerful Inquisitor!)

Protagonist (Inquisitor is just boring, Geralt is awesome)
Female characters (Triss, Ciri and Yen just own Cassandra, Sera and Vivienne)
Open world (DA:I's areas are just lifeless whereas TW3's areas have an incredible atmosphere)
Combat (just way more fun here)

I think both failed in terms of villians (Corypheus and Wild Hunt were kind of generic)
Overall TW3 is clearly the better game, CDPR put a lot effort and "heart" into it

Bioware just got lazy while developing DA:I (damm those side/fetch quests) and tried to appease everyone and in the end we just a very medicore (not bad just very meh) game
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I generally agree with most of your points, but for the sake of conversation will take them one by one.

Agreed that DA:I had a better import system. I think all other games where choices carry over should look to it as an example. It's probably the greatest contribution DA:I has made to all RPG series.

Witcher 3 main quest line is infinitely better. Bioware needs to get away from making their main characters saviors and the enemies unconquerable Gods that some how end up being conquered through unconvincing plot logic. The Witcher III is definitely the best open world story I've ever experienced. The Last of Us is still probably my favorite story told in game format, but that is a much more focused game by design at the expense of some other elements where TWIII excels.

Witcher 3 side quests are also infinitely better. Each has it's own little story that means something other than experience and loot.

Protagonist- I think this one is more a matter of taste. I liked Geralt A LOT more, and I would say definitively he is a better character. HOWEVER, I do know several people who prefer to have a PC that is less well defined so that you have more freedom in "creating your own story." Those people give up too much character value for freedom to me, but it is a valid opinion that is based on preference.

Other Characters I would agree that Witcher III is better. DA:I has some solid characters in Cassandra, Dorian, Verric and Solas. But a lot of them are pretty bland IMO - i.e. Sera, Cullen, Vivienne. Yen, Ciri, Geralt, Triss, Lambert, the Baron, Dijkstra, Phillippa, Emhyr all have excellent beats for me. I actually liked game Ciri & Yen better than book Ciri & Yen at some points. Which is high praise because I really liked both in the books.

Setting - The world of the Witcher is SOOOOOOOO much better. I mean there isn't really much to discuss here.

I probably like Corephius better than Eredin as a character in the games because you really don't get to see Eredin at all to understand his motivations. You get some explanations as to Corephius's motivations and such. However I think getting those motiviations somewhat undermines the story and immersion IMO because he is totally being the Bond villain who gives you the info you need rather than just kill you at the first encounter. But I think it's okay that we don't get to know Eredin because it makes some sense to not understand the motivations of a Character you wish to kill on sight do to the fact that they are an imminent threat to your existence. I would have preferred to have had a conversation between Geralt and Ciri where she explains more about the Wild Hunt for those unfamiliar with the books (probably best done between acts 2 & 3).

EDIT: (1) I would add that the game play mechanics in the Witcher 3 are better in most ways (with the exception of the skill trees). Combat is much better in TWIII. Alchemy is better and more involved in TWIII (although not as good as it could have been). TWIII has an awesome horse system that DA:I completely ignores. (2) This sort of goes with story, but I think the dialogue in TWIII is much better. The voice actors are solid in both, but TWIII has better writing. (3) I prefer the music and ambient sound of the Witcher 3 as well. (4) I think graphics are comparable with perhaps a edge to the TWIII - especially in regards to character models (I played on a PS4 for the record). END OF EDIT.

I would add to your points that the blend of story, character, quest design and open world is what truly makes the Witcher III a unique game. Other games may do some of these individual elements better, but no game combines them as well as TWIII for me. I would say that the Witcher III is definitely in my top 5 games I've ever played. I'll need to play it again to figure out exactly where I think it sits. DA:I does not crack the top 10 (or maybe even 20).
 
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Tishen-13

Rookie
#105
Jun 5, 2015
The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt makes Dragon Age Inquisition look like the work of a bunch of novice amateurs.TW3 has better story than DAI. TW3 has better side quests than DAI. TW3 has better attention to detail than DAI. TW3 has better atmosphere than DAI. TW3 has better and more fleshed out characters than DAI. TW3 has better cities than DAI, which has none. TW3 has better immersion than DAI. TW3 has no political correctness BS shoehorned into it, unlike DAI. TW3 has no multiplayer crammed into it, unlike DAI. TW3 has better character animations than DAI. TW3 has better hair and better hairstyles for characters than DAI. TW3 has better villains that do a lot more in the game compared to DAI, which only has one big villain who does not do much. TW3 has better looking Elves than DAI, who have some anorexic freaks with broken arms as Elves.CDPR patches and updates their game far quicker and more efficiently than Bioware. CDPR has a lot more free DLCs than Bioware. CDPR will release a modkit for TW3, Bioware will not release one for DAI. CDPR does not use DRM for their games, Bioware/EA does.Comparing TW3 with DAI is like comparing Christopher Nolan with M Night Shyamalan. TW3 is not just better than DAI, TW3 is in a whole new league and level compared to DAI.Don't get me wrong, I used to love Bioware games. I loved Baldur's Gate, DA Origins and Mass Effect 1. But as time progressed, Bioware got worse. First came the retcons and plotholes. Next came the scrapping of RPG elements and strategy elements for more action. Then we had day one DLC BS. Finally now they have this massive pandering to politically correct social justice weasling crowd.CDPR did none of those things. In fact, they kept getting better, stood by their principles and listened to their fans. They did not tell their fans to "shove it" or "check their privilege" or make up excuses for retcons or label them as "vocal minority". They released extended editions for their games. They did not jump on the DLC & DRM bandwagon and when they tried, they apologized.Frankly, now with TW3 being this good, I now feel that Fallout 4 is going to not be very good. Hopefully Bethesda does not disappoint.
 
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octavian123

Forum veteran
#106
Jun 5, 2015
On thw whole TW3 has more points that are better than DA:I than DA:I does. Keep in mind that when you compare the two games you also have to take into account that DA:I was also made for last gen.

TW3 has:

-Better side quests. If you really look at them, they are not very different from the fetch quests in DA:I but CDPR does a much better job at masking this than BioWare. Quests are: Go talk to this person or go kill this. Not terribly complex but the excellent cinematics manage to make almost each side quest interesting. Some of these quests made me feel like they were part of the main quest. I FIRMLY believe that DA:I should be its own think but if there is one thing I want BioWare to do like TW3 did it's the Side Quest content.

-Novigrad just blows Val Royeaux to bits.

- Far better facial animations. DA:I's facial animations are not bad but they are not nearly as good as TW3 ones.

-Graphics are slightly better on the whole but BioWare did not lie to us about the graphics. Both games look great but TW3 looks better.

-The pacing is not marred by the terrible Power System.

-While DA:I has great characters it does not have as many great characters as TW3 like Djkstra, Roche, The Bloody Baron, Emhyr and so on.

- The horses are far superior in this game.

What DA:I does better:

- As far as story goes, it's not really special but I really liked the way religion was handled in this game and I think BioWare did a FAR better job at portraying religion than CDPR. In DA:I you are asked to debate whether the Maker exists or not in a world of magic and whether the events of the game were shaped by him. ARE you the Chosen of Andraste (and does it matter as long as people believe you are?), did the Maker make the hero appear at the right place at the right time or is it just chance? Is Divine Justinia from the Fade just a fade spirit or really her? This is FAR FAR better than insane Radovid and his retinue of cartoon villain Witch Hunters. We never know how and why they became fanatics. All we know is that they're crazy. That's pretty cliched if you ask me.

- On the graphical side the water is the only think that DA:I has an edge over TW3. I think that when we compare the games graphically it's a really close draw.

- While I think TW 3 has more fun gameplay overall, it never has anything the sheer scale of the Dragon battles. Those were really really good.

- While TW3 impresses with its sheer size of the map and has that handcrafted feel, DA:I has far more variety. You can go in a desert, 2 forests, a gloomy swamp, a snow-covered mountain zone, a dense jungle.

All in all I think TW3 is better but is not overwhelmingly better like some of you suggest.
 
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Tishen-13

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#107
Jun 5, 2015
 
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luc0s

Rookie
#108
Jun 6, 2015
Willowhugger said:
I felt the romances of TW3 were incomplete, confusing, and poorly written.
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Incomplete? Maybe, if you skipped TW1, TW2 and the books. But if you've played all 3 games and read at least some of the books, you'll probably agree that the romances in TW3 are very complete. Especially Yen's romance arc is just perfect and really brings the relationship between Geralt and Yennefer in the books to a next level in TW3.

Confusing? Maybe, if you haven't read the books or are unaware of the backstories regarding Geralt, Triss and Yennefer.

Poorly written? HELL NO! Just because you didn't understand the complex relationships between Geralt, Yennefer and Triss doesn't mean they're poorly written. These 3 characters and their relationships are among the best-written characters and relationships I've ever seen in a videogame. Ofcourse that is to be expected if you realize how much lore, story and depth The Witcher saga already had from the books which TW3 draws a lot from, so obviously CDPR already had a head start when they created their Witcher videogames (unlike BioWare, who had to come up with something new from scratch for Dragon Age).

Willowhugger said:
Yennefer keeps acting like I'm her boyfriend,
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Because you are. Well, Geralt is.

Yennefer and Geralt have always been lovers and while both have been separated for a while and Geralt suffered from amnesia, they still have strong feelings for each other. Although Yennefer suspects that their feelings might be the result of the powerful magical bond that they share, which is why she wants to break that bond in the side-quest 'The Last Wish' to see how much of their love and relationship is real and how much of it is a result of the spell that binds them. After the bond is broken you can choose to end your relationship with Yennefer, but until then, she is Geralt's girlfriend.

Willowhugger said:
Triss doesn't talk to me, and there's no other options than a brief encounter that was underwhelming.
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I found Triss's arc in The Witcher 3 extremely powerful and well done. I was never a huge fan of Triss but even I found it difficult to let her go to Kovir at the end of her 'Now or Never' side-quest. Triss really managed to grow on me in TW3, which is proof to me that her arc was well-written (because I'm very picky and not easily satisfied).

Willowhugger said:
Inquisition, I felt Cassandra's relationship was awesome.
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Cassandra never really interested me. I never romanced her so I wouldn't know what her romance is like (haven't bothered to look it up on YouTube either). My Inquisitor romanced Josephine, which was okay, I liked her, but she's not quite on the same level as Yennefer or Triss, not even close in fact.

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octavian123 said:
Radovid and his retinue of cartoon villain Witch Hunters. We never know how and why they became fanatics. All we know is that they're crazy.
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Have you even played The Witcher 2? That game made it pretty clear what sparked the witch hunt that's happening in TW3.

Most of the witch hunters are members of the Cult of the Eternal Fire, which is a religious extremist cult that has existed since the first game (even in the books if I'm not mistaken). They believe in Ithlinne's prophecy, which is an ancient prophecy made by an elven priest regarding the Wild Hunt and Ciri.

"Verily I say unto you, the era of the sword and axe is nigh, the era of the wolf's blizzard. The Time of the White Chill and the White Light is nigh, the Time of Madness and the Time of Contempt: Tedd Deireádh, the Time of End. The world will die amidst frost and be reborn with the new sun. It will be reborn of Elder Blood, of Hen Ichaer, of the seed that has been sown. A seed which will not sprout but burst into flame." - Aen Ithlinnespeath
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The prophecy obviously predicts the end of the world brought by the Wild Hunt and Ciri who has the power to change the fate of the world, but the Cult of The Eternal Fire takes the prophecy rather literally and many of the cultists believe that it's the mages/witches who will bring the end of the world upon us. Which is why many of the Eternal Fire members have enlisted as witch hunters under Radovid's banner.
 
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Dassolan

Rookie
#109
Jun 6, 2015
Dragon Age 3 childish boring shit, Witcher 3 masterpiece can't put down.
 
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octavian123

Forum veteran
#110
Jun 6, 2015
luc0s said:
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Have you even played The Witcher 2? That game made it pretty clear what sparked the witch hunt that's happening in TW3.

Most of the witch hunters are members of the Cult of the Eternal Fire, which is a religious extremist cult that has existed since the first game (even in the books if I'm not mistaken). They believe in Ithlinne's prophecy, which is an ancient prophecy made by an elven priest regarding the Wild Hunt and Ciri.



The prophecy obviously predicts the end of the world brought by the Wild Hunt and Ciri who has the power to change the fate of the world, but the Cult of The Eternal Fire takes the prophecy rather literally and many of the cultists believe that it's the mages/witches who will bring the end of the world upon us. Which is why many of the Eternal Fire members have enlisted as witch hunters under Radovid's banner.
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Of course I played it but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't know how the rank and file soldiers, the people who commit these murders become so intolerant. How does a man go from being a normal human being to become such a fanatic? Wasted opportunity if you ask me.

I mean, let's take the Bloody Baron for instance. In real life male domestic abusers are demonized, reviled and most importantly DEHUMANIZED. In real life most people think that the way to resolve domestic violence is to lock up the male, instead of looking at the events that determined the man to become violent in the first place. The Witcher 3 presents the player with the choice to view the Baron as a person with thoughts feelings and a history. We get to learn his side of the story and the events which led him to become as he is. I don't understand why they didn't do something similar with the Flaming Rose fanatics.

Dassolan said:
Dragon Age 3 childish boring shit, Witcher 3 masterpiece can't put down.
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WONDERFUL critique mate, you should get a prize for that.

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kiadaw said:
Asking if DA:I is better or W3 is in a W3 forum is like asking if XBOX is better than PS4 in a PS4 forum.

Both are good games in their own right. There are certain things one game do better than other.

I like the skill tree of DA:I & you can equip different 6 different skills, & there are a lot of skills to pick on. Combat can feel dratsically different depends on class & skill you use. W3 combat is intensive at times but you are basically using the same skills you started. The alternative Igni is probably skill unlocked that feel like a new skill. I know teh combat system is design so Geralt feel like a master swordman, but I like the vareity in combat that DA:I bring. When I got bore, I can always switch to another character to throw lighting bolts or traps.

Not all points of interest on the map are open up & you need to explore before point of interest show up, much better than W3 in my opinion.

Side & main quests are better in W3, no doubt.

DA:I has a simple & tradition XP & leveling system that works. XP & leveling in W3 is all over the place that you constantly worry about overleveling or XP lost due to overlevel due to the static XP point system. In DA:I you never feel you need to start doing main quest or side quest. You just take on the quest when you feel like it.

the settings are a matter of preference. DA:I has a more fantasy setting with different feel & climate in each region. W3 is more middle ages Europe with some dwarves& elves thrown in. I like the excitement & freshness of exploring each location is DA:I, but I also like the realistic & medieval feel of W3.

Yes, Cassandra is not pretty, even manly looking, Sera is not really pretty, & DA:I have the ugliest elves you seen in recent games, but I like that not every main NPC women (that isn't an old woman) are amazingly pretty like W3.

I enjoy both. Maybe you love one over the other, but to say DA:I is shit or something compare to W3 is ridiculous.
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Pretty much how I feel.

mbaker51591 said:
Yes is different but still DAI is quite challenging especially in nightmare mode. Like hell why is this thread exist. Where comparing two different game w/ different gameplay mechanics?

Really the weakest gameplay mechanic of Witcher 3 is combat.
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I really liked the combat in TW3. Felt like Gothic 2 with 2015 standards.
 
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luc0s

Rookie
#111
Jun 6, 2015
octavian123 said:
Of course I played it but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't know how the rank and file soldiers, the people who commit these murders become so intolerant. How does a man go from being a normal human being to become such a fanatic? Wasted opportunity if you ask me.

I mean, let's take the Bloody Baron for instance. In real life male domestic abusers are demonized, reviled and most importantly DEHUMANIZED. In real life most people think that the way to resolve domestic violence is to lock up the male, instead of looking at the events that determined the man to become violent in the first place. The Witcher 3 presents the player with the choice to view the Baron as a person with thoughts feelings and a history. We get to learn his side of the story and the events which led him to become as he is. I don't understand why they didn't do something similar with the Flaming Rose fanatics.
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I don't disagree with you, but if you paid attention during TW1 and TW2 you already know the answer to why these Eternal Fire fantatics are the way they are. To sum it up for you:

In TW1 we learn that the Eternal Fire is already wary of magic. They see it as something vile and unholy and they're not entirely wrong about that. They tend to blame all the nasty crap that goes on in the world on magic and the sorceresses who practice magic. They don't trust mages at all. If you watch the animated intro of TW3 you can clearly see how people feel about magic and how they view sorceresses (I'm talking about this intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8YUDfFtH2A )

In TW2 when the conspiracy of the Lodge of Sorceresses is revealed these Eternal Fire fantatics are basically proven right, that mages are indeed dangerous and can't be trusted. The Lodge is blamed for the assassinations of the kings (even though they're only responsible for 1 assassination, not both). The Order of the Flaming Rose (the military faction of the Cult of the Eternal Fire) who serve under Radovid now were present during this reveal. After this event Radovid calls for a witch hunt and the Order of the Flaming Rose is all too happy to follow his orders.

During the events of TW3 the end of time is nigh, people can feel it as the events predicted in the prophecy of Ithlinne are slowly unfolding. People are scared and these are desperate times. With mages being blamed for it constantly by both Radovid and The Eternal Fire / Order of the Flaming Rose, it's not that weird that many people feel like they want to do something about it and thus they enlist as witch hunters.
 
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octavian123

Forum veteran
#112
Jun 6, 2015
luc0s said:
I don't disagree with you, but if you paid attention during TW1 and TW2 you already know the answer to why these Eternal Fire fantatics are the way they are. To sum it up for you:

In TW1 we learn that the Eternal Fire is already wary of magic. They see it as something vile and unholy and they're not entirely wrong about that. They tend to blame all the nasty crap that goes on in the world on magic and the sorceresses who practice magic. They don't trust mages at all. If you watch the animated intro of TW3 you can clearly see how people feel about magic and how they view sorceresses (I'm talking about this intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8YUDfFtH2A )

In TW2 when the conspiracy of the Lodge of Sorceresses is revealed these Eternal Fire fantatics are basically proven right, that mages are indeed dangerous and can't be trusted. The Lodge is blamed for the assassinations of the kings (even though they're only responsible for 1 assassination, not both). The Order of the Flaming Rose (the military faction of the Cult of the Eternal Fire) who serve under Radovid now were present during this reveal. After this event Radovid calls for a witch hunt and the Order of the Flaming Rose is all too happy to follow his orders.

During the events of TW3 the end of time is nigh, people can feel it as the events predicted in the prophecy of Ithlinne are slowly unfolding. People are scared and these are desperate times. With mages being blamed for it constantly by both Radovid and The Eternal Fire / Order of the Flaming Rose, it's not that weird that many people feel like they want to do something about it and thus they enlist as witch hunters.
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I know and you don't need to educate me on the story of TW1 and 2 but just because it is elaborated in the previous games doesn't mean it should be different in the third. I would have liked what you described in the last paragraph to ACTUALLY be in the game meaning how an everyday, normal and honest individual turns into such a person.

We don't see anything of the sort in TW3. The Witch Hunters are just...there. They would have been far more convincing had they been actual human beings.
 
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DuranA

Rookie
#113
Jun 6, 2015
The Order of the Flaming Rose is never mentioned in TW3.
 
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luc0s

Rookie
#114
Jun 6, 2015
DuranA said:
The Order of the Flaming Rose is never mentioned in TW3.
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They are but only in the sense that they don't know what the Order is up to.

The witch hunters aren't from the Order, but they are from the Eternal Fire, which the Order is the military wing of.

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octavian123 said:
I know and you don't need to educate me on the story of TW1 and 2 but just because it is elaborated in the previous games doesn't mean it should be different in the third. I would have liked what you described in the last paragraph to ACTUALLY be in the game meaning how an everyday, normal and honest individual turns into such a person.

We don't see anything of the sort in TW3. The Witch Hunters are just...there. They would have been far more convincing had they been actual human beings.
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I don't get what you mean. Yes, the witch hunters are there, you know why they are there and they are human beings. What else do you want? You wanted to see some "good" witch hunters? Those are in the game as well. Not all witch hunters are pricks (though granted, most are).

Asking why/how an Eternal Fire cultist became a witch hunter is the same thing as asking why a Muslim became a terrorist. It's not a bad question, but it is a question we'll likely never get the answer to and quite frankly, I don't really care nor do I think Geralt cares.
 
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Jou05

Rookie
#115
Jun 7, 2015
Tishen-13 said:
The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt makes Dragon Age Inquisition look like the work of a bunch of novice amateurs.TW3 has better story than DAI. TW3 has better side quests than DAI. TW3 has better attention to detail than DAI. TW3 has better atmosphere than DAI. TW3 has better and more fleshed out characters than DAI. TW3 has better cities than DAI, which has none. TW3 has better immersion than DAI. TW3 has no political correctness BS shoehorned into it, unlike DAI. TW3 has no multiplayer crammed into it, unlike DAI. TW3 has better character animations than DAI. TW3 has better hair and better hairstyles for characters than DAI. TW3 has better villains that do a lot more in the game compared to DAI, which only has one big villain who does not do much. TW3 has better looking Elves than DAI, who have some anorexic freaks with broken arms as Elves.CDPR patches and updates their game far quicker and more efficiently than Bioware. CDPR has a lot more free DLCs than Bioware. CDPR will release a modkit for TW3, Bioware will not release one for DAI. CDPR does not use DRM for their games, Bioware/EA does.Comparing TW3 with DAI is like comparing Christopher Nolan with M Night Shyamalan. TW3 is not just better than DAI, TW3 is in a whole new league and level compared to DAI.Don't get me wrong, I used to love Bioware games. I loved Baldur's Gate, DA Origins and Mass Effect 1. But as time progressed, Bioware got worse. First came the retcons and plotholes. Next came the scrapping of RPG elements and strategy elements for more action. Then we had day one DLC BS. Finally now they have this massive pandering to politically correct social justice weasling crowd.CDPR did none of those things. In fact, they kept getting better, stood by their principles and listened to their fans. They did not tell their fans to "shove it" or "check their privilege" or make up excuses for retcons or label them as "vocal minority". They released extended editions for their games. They did not jump on the DLC & DRM bandwagon and when they tried, they apologized.Frankly, now with TW3 being this good, I now feel that Fallout 4 is going to not be very good. Hopefully Bethesda does not disappoint.
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I agree with you, especially the comparison is on point
Its a shame what Bioware turned into and how they ruined DA, DA:O was awesome
 
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octavian123

Forum veteran
#116
Jun 7, 2015
@Tishen-13

First off, PARAGRAPHS, use them!

Secondly, you didn't provide arguments for at least half of the points you mentioned. If you fail to do that, your opinion is automatically worth less..Half of your arguments are entirely subjective which means that it is better for YOU.Let's take you argument about elves for instance. The elves from DA:I are not worse, they are DIFFERENT. There is nothing objectively worse about them. There is nothing objectively wrong with their textures, their modelling or their animations. Your point is entirely subjective.

Thirdly, despite both games being similar, having a 1:1 comparison is just not going to work. I agree that TW3 has a far better city and far better side quests but you have to look at what both games are trying to do and judge them on that.

"TW3 has better immersion than DAI"

How exactly?

Tishen-13 said:
W3 has no political correctness BS shoehorned into it, unlike DAI.
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What exactly are you talking about here? Krem, Dorian? I do believe Krem is out of place but Dorian is my bro. Not once did he make advances when I didn't want to and not once did he act like he was supposed to be treated differently just because he's a homosexual. He is just a normal person who happens to be gay. That's it. If you don't like them then guess what: you can safely ignore them. I would have agreed they were shoehorned had they been tied in the main quest just because.

TW has no shortage of gay characters like Phillipa and Dethmold. In TW3 there is at least one gay character (in White Orchard) and a crossdressing elf in Novigrad.

Lastly, I awas quite disappointed with the portrayal of the an Craite siblings because they are just one dimensional stereotypes. Hjialmar is the hotheaded male who acts before he thinks (implying that men are stupid) while his sister prefers cooperation to violence (implying that females are smarter).

Tishen-13 said:
TW3 has better character animations than DAI.
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Yes.

Tishen-13 said:
TW3 has better hair and better hairstyles for characters than DAI
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True, nothing to argue here,

Tishen-13 said:
TW3 has better villains that do a lot more in the game compared to DAI, which only has one big villain who does not do much.
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Debatable. How is Eredin better than Corypheus? Both want to conquer the world.

Tishen-13 said:
CDPR patches and updates their game far quicker and more efficiently than Bioware
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Maybe it's because DA:I never needed patches?

Tishen-13 said:
CDPR will release a modkit for TW3,
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Not BioWare's decision.

Tishen-13 said:
CDPR does not use DRM for their games
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I personally never noticed it but I do agree that DRM is ultimately pointless. Again, we don't know if this decision was BioWare's or not.

Tishen-13 said:
Next came the scrapping of RPG elements and strategy elements for more action.
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You mean JUST like The Witcher, right? Both games are ultimately action games with RPG elements.

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stood by their principles and listened to their fans
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Yeeees, THAT is why they lied that there was no downgrade, right? I don't even care that the game doesn't look like in the VGX trailer what bothers me is that were were promised something and we didn't get it and they didn't admit it until AFTER the game came out because they KNEW it would affect their sales. BioWare didn't lie about the graphics. What you saw was what you got.

Tishen-13 said:
They did not jump on the DLC & DRM bandwagon and when they tried
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DA:I's DLC model is pretty standard in the industry. It didn't put in characters like DA2 or ME3. Again, what kind of DLC is made is not BioWare's decision, except perhaps story, which still has to be approved by EA.
 
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Cheylus

Cheylus

Senior user
#117
Jun 7, 2015
It's like comparing the Avengers and Game of Thrones (not a very good comparison per se, I don't like GoT).

TW3 wins overall, but not in every aspects.

I thought Inquisition is a huge step forward from Origins and 2. Still, BioWare's getting old. They tried (and managed, imo) to make something reminiscent of BG. They need to get out of their comfort zone, and DA:I looked like a good step out of it for me.

Also DA:I was downgraded in terms of features (as seen in a 35 min demo). I'm a little mad at the fact almost nobody cared about that real and disappointing downgrade, while everyone is angry about the (very real but understandable) graphical downgrade of TW3.

I think TW3 has improved most aspects of TW2 except some. Not a huge step forward for the series.

Lighting in DA:I is way better, sound effects are better too.

Save imports are more interesting in DA:I.

DA:I surprised me more, at least visually. TW3 moved me to tears.

...DA:I was more expansive than TW3 (43€ for TW3... 69€ for DA:I).
 
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octavian123

Forum veteran
#118
Jun 7, 2015
@Cheylus

Well, I bought DA:I from the mexican Origin store for 40$ at release.

As for that 35 minute Crestwood video, it wasn't meant for the general public so it was actually a leak.
 
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To Octavian 123. Hello there. Firstly, my paragraphs are not working. I type my posts with paragraphs but when I click "Submit" it removes them. I do not know why this is happening. I have tried to contact numerous moderators about this but it appears they are not giving a damn about it. Now I have resulted to using the line break HTML code.The Elves in DAI look worse than Elves TW3. How can one justify having broken arms as being "different" or "subjective" ? Broken arms do not make any anatomical sense. Just look at how the Elves, especially male Elves, look while wearing armor. Additionally, according to lore, Elves in Thedas are supposed to be visually appealing to every other race. They are supposed to be eye candies. Yet you fill not find many people appreciating the body of the Elves in DAI. You cannot say this for Elves in TW3. The look good and their bodies make sense anatomically. TW3 has better immersion than DAI. In TW3, you play the role of the monster hunter for hire and you actually feel like one. You are also viewed as a freak by many people. You get the sense of this in TW3 as well. Then we have conflicts in TW3 which are portrayed really well. You actually feel that there is a war going on. By contrast, DAI does nothing of this sort. NOTHING. You do not feel like you are in an environment with a lot of conflict. The story places you as the second coming of Theodosian Jesus yet you spend most of your time doing menial tasks ? Really ? Where is the sense and feel of conflict in DAI ? Where is the immersion of being an Inquisitor ? Then we get to gameplay. Mages are supposed to be powerful in Thedas yet in DAI they feel like pussyfied wimps who can only remember 8 spells. What happened to all the magical schools ? DAI's immersion level is crap compared to TW3's immersion levels.The political correctness that I am speaking off exists throughout DAI. Look at the way NPCs speak in DAI versus NPCs in TW3. The NPCs in TW3 feel more natural and more realistic. Commoners like to swear and use coarse language, we see this throughout TW3. Whereas in DAI, everyone sounds like they are reading off a script. Next is the issue of brothels. Why is it that DA games used to have brothels but now they are suddenly gone ? Don't tell me Val Royeaux has no brothels. What about the Desire Demons ? Where were those succubus-esque creatures which are staples of the DA franchise ? There is other things as well. Excellent fantasy has a good combination of realism and fantasy. In reality there are far fewer female soldiers, fighters and warriors due to sexual dimorphism. TW3 has this where there are far fewer female fighters. Most of the women in TW3 become sorceresses or healers, professions that do not require brute force or physical strength. Yet in DA, somehow men and women are equal and there are equal number of female and male warriors because....feels. Next we have Person of Color or POC. We do not have many in TW3 and this is okay and makes perfect sense since the story is based in medieval europe and it draws heavily from polish mythology, german mythology and nordic mythology. In Thedas, for diversity and pandering reasons, we have POC, but all of them are confined to Rivain. Really ? I am a Tamil man, someone you would classify as a POC and that is extremely insulting to me since dark skinned people do not all come from one place or from one culture. Either you do POC properly or you don't. Now let us move on homosexuality and transsexuality. What does the two have anything to do with the plot of DAI ? Do they have any significance to the story ? Yet Bioware sees fit to include these characters that PREACH about it to you. Really ? Look at the entirety of the Witcher franchise. Have you ever seen any preaching or any attempt by CDPR to insert a political message ? Does Phillipa Eilhart try to pull a Krem and attempt to lecture you on bisexuality. Does Dethmold try to lecture to you on homosexuality or transsexuality ? Krem does this in dialogue. So does Hissrad / The Iron Bull. Now Dorian is a cool guy but his personal quest was forced like crazy. In DA2, we had Fenris and during is personal quest, we could choose to do anything with him including sending him back to Danarius, his former master. However in DAI, you have little to no choice in Dorian's personal quest. You cannot agree or disagree with his preference for men, you cannot send him back to his father. I'm sure you are going to call me homophobic now but DAI is supposed to be a role playing game. Choices are everything. Why is the choices for Dorian's personal quest which involves blood magic and homosexuality severely restricted but for Fenris' quest which involves slavery is not ? Why the inconsistencies in presenting these social issues ? Is having a character that is racist and pro-slavery okay but a character that does not like homosexuality ? That's somehow bad ? Sorry, I don't but this crap.Couple this with the fact that Bioware has gone on record to say things along the lines of "straight male gamers can suck it" and you are telling me there is no political correctness ? Modern Bioware is all about postmodern politically correct feminist social justice weaseling. The Witcher franchise and CDPR do no such thing. The Elf transvestite does not attempt to try and lecture you or preach to you about crossdressing. In fact, he is somewhat relevant to the plot. So does the hunter in the woods. He does not try to preach to you about his homosexuality. I am an atheist and I hate being preached to and being lectured to, especially in a video game. Eredin and his Wild Hunt had more presence in the world. Corypheus tries to sack Haven once and that's it. He does not try to do anything else. You at least counter Eredin or his Wild Hunt lackeys a lot in the game, either as Geralt or as Ciri. The same cannot be said for Corypheus.Whether or not it is Bioware's decision to not use DRM or to not release modkit is irrelevant. I am just highlighting the fact that Bioware does not release modkit and use DRM while CDPR does the opposite. DA games started as a strategy game of sorts. Remember DAO ? That was what DA games was. It was not supposed to be a hack and slash action game. Yet that is what DA became over the years. DAI just pretends to have a tactical camera that does not work properly, half-arsed tactics menu, very little selection of spells or abilities. Witcher on the other hand, did not start as a strategy game. It was a third person action game right from the beginning. Then there is the fact how Bioware just throws away the lore for magical spells, magical schools and what have you. CDPR remained consistent with Geralt's signs throughout the franchise.Just because a model is standard does not mean it is good and it definitely does not mean I should be okay with it. With regards to lying, both CDPR and Bioware lied, though for different reasons. Bioware lied that DAI's PC version will be made for PC gamers. But DAI on PC was just a shoddy console port. CDPR lied about the graphics but at least they are allowing people to tweak the in game settings and what have you make the game look somewhat as good as it did in the trailers.Cheers.

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To Octavian 123. Hello there.

Firstly, my paragraphs are not working. I type my posts with paragraphs but when I click "Submit" it removes them. I do not know why this is happening. I have tried to contact numerous moderators about this but it appears they are not giving a damn about it. Now I have resulted to using the line break HTML code.

The Elves in DAI look worse than Elves TW3. How can one justify having broken arms as being "different" or "subjective" ? Broken arms do not make any anatomical sense. Just look at how the Elves, especially male Elves, look while wearing armor. Additionally, according to lore, Elves in Thedas are supposed to be visually appealing to every other race. They are supposed to be eye candies. Yet you fill not find many people appreciating the body of the Elves in DAI. You cannot say this for Elves in TW3. The look good and their bodies make sense anatomically.

TW3 has better immersion than DAI. In TW3, you play the role of the monster hunter for hire and you actually feel like one. You are also viewed as a freak by many people. You get the sense of this in TW3 as well. Then we have conflicts in TW3 which are portrayed really well. You actually feel that there is a war going on. By contrast, DAI does nothing of this sort. NOTHING. You do not feel like you are in an environment with a lot of conflict. The story places you as the second coming of Theodosian Jesus yet you spend most of your time doing menial tasks ? Really ? Where is the sense and feel of conflict in DAI ? Where is the immersion of being an Inquisitor ? Then we get to gameplay. Mages are supposed to be powerful in Thedas yet in DAI they feel like pussyfied wimps who can only remember 8 spells. What happened to all the magical schools ? DAI's immersion level is crap compared to TW3's immersion levels.

The political correctness that I am speaking off exists throughout DAI. Look at the way NPCs speak in DAI versus NPCs in TW3. The NPCs in TW3 feel more natural and more realistic. Commoners like to swear and use coarse language, we see this throughout TW3. Whereas in DAI, everyone sounds like they are reading off a script. Next is the issue of brothels. Why is it that DA games used to have brothels but now they are suddenly gone ? Don't tell me Val Royeaux has no brothels. What about the Desire Demons ? Where were those succubus-esque creatures which are staples of the DA franchise ? There is other things as well. Excellent fantasy has a good combination of realism and fantasy. In reality there are far fewer female soldiers, fighters and warriors due to sexual dimorphism. TW3 has this where there are far fewer female fighters. Most of the women in TW3 become sorceresses or healers, professions that do not require brute force or physical strength. Yet in DA, somehow men and women are equal and there are equal number of female and male warriors because....feels. Next we have Person of Color or POC. We do not have many in TW3 and this is okay and makes perfect sense since the story is based in medieval europe and it draws heavily from polish mythology, german mythology and nordic mythology. In Thedas, for diversity and pandering reasons, we have POC, but all of them are confined to Rivain. Really ? I am a Tamil man, someone you would classify as a POC and that is extremely insulting to me since dark skinned people do not all come from one place or from one culture. Either you do POC properly or you don't.

Now let us move on homosexuality and transsexuality. What does the two have anything to do with the plot of DAI ? Do they have any significance to the story ? Yet Bioware sees fit to include these characters that PREACH about it to you. Really ? Look at the entirety of the Witcher franchise. Have you ever seen any preaching or any attempt by CDPR to insert a political message ? Does Phillipa Eilhart try to pull a Krem and attempt to lecture you on bisexuality. Does Dethmold try to lecture to you on homosexuality or transsexuality ? Krem does this in dialogue. So does Hissrad / The Iron Bull. Now Dorian is a cool guy but his personal quest was forced like crazy. In DA2, we had Fenris and during is personal quest, we could choose to do anything with him including sending him back to Danarius, his former master. However in DAI, you have little to no choice in Dorian's personal quest. You cannot agree or disagree with his preference for men, you cannot send him back to his father. I'm sure you are going to call me homophobic now but DAI is supposed to be a role playing game. Choices are everything. Why is the choices for Dorian's personal quest which involves blood magic and homosexuality severely restricted but for Fenris' quest which involves slavery is not ? Why the inconsistencies in presenting these social issues ? Is having a character that is racist and pro-slavery okay but a character that does not like homosexuality ? That's somehow bad ? Sorry, I don't but this crap.

Couple this with the fact that Bioware has gone on record to say things along the lines of "straight male gamers can suck it" and you are telling me there is no political correctness ? Modern Bioware is all about postmodern politically correct feminist social justice weaseling. The Witcher franchise and CDPR do no such thing. The Elf transvestite does not attempt to try and lecture you or preach to you about crossdressing. In fact, he is somewhat relevant to the plot. So does the hunter in the woods. He does not try to preach to you about his homosexuality. I am an atheist and I hate being preached to and being lectured to, especially in a video game.

Eredin and his Wild Hunt had more presence in the world. Corypheus tries to sack Haven once and that's it. He does not try to do anything else. You at least counter Eredin or his Wild Hunt lackeys a lot in the game, either as Geralt or as Ciri. The same cannot be said for Corypheus.

Whether or not it is Bioware's decision to not use DRM or to not release modkit is irrelevant. I am just highlighting the fact that Bioware does not release modkit and use DRM while CDPR does the opposite.

DA games started as a strategy game of sorts. Remember DAO ? That was what DA games was. It was not supposed to be a hack and slash action game. Yet that is what DA became over the years. DAI just pretends to have a tactical camera that does not work properly, half-arsed tactics menu, very little selection of spells or abilities. Witcher on the other hand, did not start as a strategy game. It was a third person action game right from the beginning. Then there is the fact how Bioware just throws away the lore for magical spells, magical schools and what have you. CDPR remained consistent with Geralt's signs throughout the franchise.

Just because a model is standard does not mean it is good and it definitely does not mean I should be okay with it. With regards to lying, both CDPR and Bioware lied, though for different reasons. Bioware lied that DAI's PC version will be made for PC gamers. But DAI on PC was just a shoddy console port. CDPR lied about the graphics but at least they are allowing people to tweak the in game settings and what have you make the game look somewhat as good as it did in the trailers.

Cheers.
 
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Cheylus

Cheylus

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Jun 7, 2015
@octavian123
It was displayed to the public (not journos but gamers) at PAX 2013 and Digiexpo 2013 and BioWare approved the release of the videos on YouTube. This is not a leak.
About the stripped off features:
http://kotaku.com/dragon-age-inquisition-used-to-be-a-way-different-game-1684304172

Also, two different physical CE there. DA:I CE is an expansive catastrophe. Unboxing videos of DA:I CE are cringeworthy.

I don't use VPN to buy games. In my country, DA:I digital CE costs 69€. Because I own TW1 and TW2 I had to pay 43€ to get TW3 and got way more content with TW3 than DA:I, eventhough TW3 wasn't a CE.
 
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