UPDATE TO PC SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

[batouyukinawa]

I still think the specs are there to cover their asses. They're worried about any kind of backlash of people having frame dips because they're pushing their system specs too hard. I said before, I can see having to drop back to 1440p, but 1080p? That's ridiculous.

 

[BabaBooey88]

Well, plenty of sim games put big demands on CPUs. Many open world do as well.

The point is two fold:

1) How much computation did they really add? I don't think anywhere close to what you seem to believe, but that's not to judge or anything.

2) Does it justify going from a i7-4790/Ryzen 5 3600 to i9-12900/Ryzen 9 7900x for example. That is a HUGE jump.

The Ryzen 5 3600 was a one year (2019) old low-mid level CPU. The Ryzen 9 7900x is a brand new flagship chip.

Even for GPUs. My 2080 Super was the recommended for 4k/Ultra. The 3080 is around 50% faster.

Granted, the old chart was somewhat bonked (I obviously can not do 4k/60 native with my 2080 super), so the GPU makes some kind of sense.

Not the CPUs. Unless we all get our socks blown away because CDPR will have revolutionize AI, factions, mechanics, etc...

Also, I don't think that they are adding a huge world. I believe that they are just filling Pacifica and possibly filling South-East until the main road that leads to Biotechnica and the border. Basically, Pacifica. Unless you think it goes all the way to the lake?

Fair enough. I don't think the ai will be mind blowing particularly myself, I'm really only stating as I have from the start that depending on what all is there these might make sense. Either way CDPR needs to communicate the reasons for this and provide players a chance to opt out of the update if it really is that demanding. It could be, as others has mentioned - RED4 can't handle ai all that efficiently. I know in TW3 ai is practically non-existent so... yeah.

I know from the limited footage they've shown; I'm not seeing any of the ai related changes they've mentioned. I can see pedestrians stopping, walking a few steps, then stopping again and turning around. No one has shown video of the Barghest warrant system, nor has anyone attested to the NCPD warrant system in the open world as the demo is restricted to Dogtown. It's only been words so far.

As for the world changes - It's stated there are portions of the mainquest line that occur outside of Dogtown and there are a considerable number of new gigs, sidejobs, world encounters, scanner hustles, etc. I'm not going to comment further on the content of the expansion itself though.

 

[batouyukinawa]

Skillup actually did attest to the notion of improved AI systems and the NCPD overhaul. According to him if you piss off the NCPD enough they'll send a actual merc after you upon which you will have a mini boss encounter.

 

[BabaBooey88]

Skillup actually did attest to the notion of improved AI systems and the NCPD overhaul. According to him if you piss off the NCPD enough they'll send a actual merc after you upon which you will have a mini boss encounter.

Sphere Hunter did, too... but the demo was setup for PL not the basegame afaik. Hopefully we get some footage fairly soon.
I'm eager to see if lower level crimes against corpos or customers will get you arrested ala Oblivion or Ultima, as that was an intended system, or if it's still 0-100 cops show up shooting you.

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I still think the specs are there to cover their asses. They're worried about any kind of backlash of people having frame dips because they're pushing their system specs too hard. I said before, I can see having to drop back to 1440p, but 1080p? That's ridiculous.

I agree. I'm just making the argument for the sake of insight. I agree that at face value those CPU settings are quite an ask when there's no context behind them. I don't see vehicle destruction rivaling Beam NG so..

 

[Malautomedontolo]

edit for the 4th time, I don't know why my edits get merged in two posts instead of just editiing the damn post I wrote earlier.

Here Sasko shares some infos about AI and police system. Seeing the npcs walking around gave me the impression they are more aware of the environment surrounding them. They move in a more natural way. But I might be wrong, time will tell.

 

[V0id94]

If cdpr indeed added most of what it promised and truly redo the game, then its going to sting many gamers that won't be able to play it or will have to considerbly lower their settings and ruin the expirence.

CDPR reputation is going to get wercked, since many people are unaware of the new system req, assuming their system would be able to run it with maybe small concessions. if those req aren't over estmiated, then its going to get ugly at release, and our critisizem here would be a prelude to the greater outrage, that will happen post launch.

 

[cartlidge]

Good, cdpr are letting us know the requirements beforehand. Looks like we are going to get the bells and whistles release everyone wanted without compromise to hardware.

I am looking forward to playing this even if I have to turn down the graphics a tad but we will see when I actually run the game. Pre order in

 

[radosuaf_]

The details from just the past two days have grown drastically, and continue to do so.

Did you see CP2077 trailers from 2018?

And, oh my gosh, rewriting the skills tree and adding katana swinging on a bike should not increase requirements by 100%.

 

[V0id94]

Good, cdpr are letting us know the requirements beforehand. Looks like we are going to get the bells and whistles release everyone wanted without compromise to hardware.

I am looking forward to playing this even if I have to turn down the graphics a tad but we will see when I actually run the game. Pre order in

Man still it not warrents such absured requirments, are you aware how powerful are those cpus, they are parcticly new(The ryzen ones yes, the Intel are last years but still very strong).

And don't forget that this is a 3 year old game, and most of the people don't posses this kind of hardware are now locked from the features CDPR promised to deliver in 2020, when this NEW hardware didn't exsist.

Im not against them updating the Req and improving the game, but all of this smells of bad optimization and a cordinated move with Nvidia and other componies, since they can't sell new hardware, due to inflation and overpricing. So now they try to artifically bump up games with bad optimization so people buy new hardware. Also this move is anti consumer and aginst most of CDPR players who now wouldn't buy the Expention and those who did buy it and will find out that their game doesn't run are definetly will ask for return and CDPR will take a fatel blow to their reputation.

I repeat myself but if it was a new title nobody would have complianed, but it doesn't matter what CDPR does with it. Facts remain that this is a 3 year old game that was created for diffrent hardware, and people who poses that hardware and play the game will be now forced to either not play the new game anymore or to lower their setting considerbly(Hurt for those who have an RT card but won't be able to do RT becasue of cpu).

TLDR CDPR's move here leaves a bad taste.

 

[lefouduroi.pr]

TLDR CDPR's move here leaves a bad taste.

I still think that it is to lower their risk, but I hate that attitude if that is true.

Regardless of what you put on those spec sheets, some people won't have the same results. That's normal.

That doesn't justify mailing it in and just put absurdly high requirements. What is the point then? Hopefully, they will explain how it was put together and show it it, but that is wishful thinking.

I have never seen a company showing the game on each of the recommended rigs, but they kind of should if they are just going to throw random numbers on the wall and multiply them by 4 without reasons.

 

[cartlidge]

Man still it not warrents such absured requirments, are you aware how powerful are those cpus, they are parcticly new(The ryzen ones yes, the Intel are last years but still very strong).

you wont get 60 fps, you will notice some stuttering or put up with a little stuttering, personally I plan on disabling RT with the upgraded requirements though might see what it plays like with RT.. I have a rtx3060 so hardly a top notch graphic card along with an i5 (high end, outperforms many i7 chips)). I doubt I will get it to run at 60 with how high I am going to crank the settings but I grew up with 30fps,.. I'll live until I get a better graphic card and I am pleased the game will upgrade with me. I don't plan on upgrading until the nvidia 5 series so maybe another year or two

And don't forget that this is a 3 year old game, and most of the people don't posses this kind of hardware are now locked from the features CDPR promised to deliver in 2020, when this NEW hardware didn't exsist.

we already know those promises were unrealistic due to hardware limitations. it sounds like you are still sore over the first release. Look, whatever you think they promised they are unable to deliver on the hardware that was available to them at the time and made compromises,.. and they are still unable to implement all that on the hardware available to them at the time. Hardware requirements have to go up or you don't get the features. CDPR had to make a choice. For you it was the wrong choice but for me I am happy with this choice. I will take a slight degradation now for an increased experience when I do upgrade. I might well be frustrated if I had a console and unable to upgrade as easily though

Im not against them updating the Req and improving the game, but all of this smells of bad optimization and a cordinated move with Nvidia and other componies, since they can't sell new hardware, due to inflation and overpricing. So now they try to artifically bump up games with bad optimization so people buy new hardware. Also this move is anti consumer and aginst most of CDPR players who now wouldn't buy the Expention and those who did buy it and will find out that their game doesn't run are definetly will ask for return and CDPR will take a fatel blow to their reputation.

you are welcome to make assumptions

I repeat myself but if it was a new title nobody would have complianed, but it doesn't matter what CDPR does with it. Facts remain that this is a 3 year old game that was created for diffrent hardware, and people who poses that hardware and play the game will be now forced to either not play the new game anymore or to lower their setting considerbly(Hurt for those who have an RT card but won't be able to do RT becasue of cpu).

yep people would have complained. points to starfields whose requirements have just been released to crys of.. How much SSD space? Looks to me like I am in that specific group of people who wont be able to have rt anymore due to cpu,.. Personally I do not believe it, I think I can and will run on high with rt but I will not have 60fps and if not.. well meh,... game still looks gorgeous on high without rt. RT is just a novelty.

TLDR CDPR's move here leaves a bad taste.

If we are to get the night city we want as populated with as many moving parts as needed to make it feel alive then that all has a cost in terms of hardware.

 

[V0id94]

you wont get 60 fps, you will notice some stuttering or put up with a little stuttering, personally I plan on disabling RT with the upgraded requirements though might see what it plays like with RT.. I have a rtx3060 so hardly a top notch graphic card along with an i5 (high end, outperforms many i7 chips)). I doubt I will get it to run at 60 with how high I am going to crank the settings but I grew up with 30fps,.. I'll live until I get a better graphic card and I am pleased the game will upgrade with me. I don't plan on upgrading until the nvidia 5 series so maybe another year or two



we already know those promises were unrealistic due to hardware limitations. it sounds like you are still sore over the first release. Look, whatever you think they promised they are unable to deliver on the hardware that was available to them at the time and made compromises,.. and they are still unable to implement all that on the hardware available to them at the time. Hardware requirements have to go up or you don't get the features. CDPR had to make a choice. For you it was the wrong choice but for me I am happy with this choice. I will take a slight degradation now for an increased experience when I do upgrade. I might well be frustrated if I had a console and unable to upgrade as easily though


you are welcome to make assumptions



yep people would have complained. points to starfields whose requirements have just been released to crys of.. How much SSD space? Looks to me like I am in that specific group of people who wont be able to have rt anymore due to cpu,.. Personally I do not believe it, I think I can and will run on high with rt but I will not have 60fps and if not.. well meh,... game still looks gorgeous on high without rt. RT is just a novelty.



If we are to get the night city we want as populated with as many moving parts as needed to make it feel alive then that all has a cost in terms of hardware.

As the saying goes, don't promise what you cannot deliver. and now that they can't deliver people either can't play or Have to drasticlly lower their setting unreal.

its not our fault that CDPR overpromised what they couldn't deliver.

Frame Gen is a must. if people want to keep the settings they have from the OG game.

 

[paralaxass]

As the saying goes, don't promise what you cannot deliver. and now that they can't deliver people either can't play or Have to drasticlly lower their setting unreal.

its not our fault that CDPR overpromised what they couldn't deliver.

Frame Gen is a must. if people want to keep the settings they have from the OG game.

nah frame gen not an answer unless already got 60fps to start with, if less, latency becomes too big and feels worse than stable 30fps

 

[V0id94]

nah frame gen not an answer unless already got 60fps to start with, if less, latency becomes too big and feels worse than stable 30fps

Yeahh I know about that, but without it no 60fps lololol.

Man its such a blunder by CDPR, Can't wait when update 1.7 and PL launch. The outrage is going to be massive, wonder how much CDPR stock will fall.

 

[BabaBooey88]

Not even worth the effort at this point it would seem.


"I want the game you promised me."

Okay.

"Noooooo. Not like that."

 

[lefouduroi.pr]

Not even worth the effort at this point it would seem.


"I want the game you promised me."

Okay.

"Noooooo. Not like that."

I agree somewhat, but I am sure that you know that there are more nuance approaches than those two.

I want a better experience, but also, I loved the game as it was.

I would love the game to feel more alive, but not at just any cost.

I currently run it at high settings, 4k, locked 60 (which is IMO great performance out of a 3700x/2080super combo). I run it at 4k because my screen is a 40" 4k TV, which I basically got for free at the time and unfortunately, it does not do great at 1440. I want to - and could upgrade to 4080/OLED C2 - but I can't wrap my head around paying the stupid 4080 prices. I do know that I am asking a lot from my current card, but it works, OC very well and overall love it.

If the update, let alone PL, leads to have to not even get 60 at low instead of high, I believe that this is a very high price to pay for whatever they have in store. It would have to be nothing short of mind blowing to make me pull the trigger on new hardware.

It's all relative.

In the end, it all depends on how much harder to run it really will be and most importantly, why.

That is even considering that my PC is my only work tool. I just don't need it to be as powerful to justify 2k company expenses every year. I'd love too, cuz I would have pulled the trigger, but in my use case, it wouldn't turn into time saving, thus rentabilizing the expense.

 

[JDM12983]

So, the game I just recently finally got; I won't actually be able to play.. because of this update? Thanks a lot... >< lol

 

[EMT-Fields]

Well there is still the option of GeForce now. Don't know how people feel about it. But at least you can experience the game.

 

[lefouduroi.pr]

Well there is still the option of GeForce now. Don't know how people feel about it. But at least you can experience the game.

I tried it for a friend that couldn't afford a new rig to test it out. I took the free trial and, granted not the best spec, but it was suboptimal IMO. I have a very fast connection, but the lag and latency was too much for me.

I assume that their more expensive plans are better, though.

 

[DC9V]

So, the game I just recently finally got, I won't actually be able to play because of this update?

Nobody forces you to install the expansion and in case of an accidental update of the base game you can always roll back to the previous version. All you need to do is disable automatic updates in GOG or Steam, and to be on the safe side also disable cloud sync.