And if you read the rest of the thread you would know this is a combo which is only good point wise as it severely limits you. First of all, it's not worth it running one venendal only to use it in that way. I've tried. If you try to do that, you have to wait until cantarella is revealed at least, even if you have the VE in hand. That affects the cards you get IMMENSELY. Because you will either reveal Cantarella with Leo or with the leader ability more than usually. With Leo, you need a suitable High Value Target, while the leader is the usual first - second turn play. That leads to you going down on a lot of revelations. Then Cantarella may simply not draw you a good enough card. What if you get a Daerlan while you have no other revealers? The combo you are describing only looks good on paper. Trust me, I've tried it many times. But CA spies have a very important timing they should be played at. The same goes for Cantarella. that combo ruins that. Even if you have revealers to synergize with the card you draw, you might be forced to waste more revelations than you want to, as alchemists, Vattier and the leader all reveal more cards than one.case in point is the most popular way to use it is with Cantarella.