Watch_Dogs coming out on all "home consoles" this holiday season

[dragonbird]

Ubisoft has officially abandoned that practice....so they say. They also said this is playable offline, but you can play online and allow others to hack/invade your game. The problem I have is the amazing graphics and atmosphere seem to be missing now. I mean it looks totally ordinary to me. I'll wait for reviews, if I get it at all.

I won't buy until the first time it goes on sale, it doesn't interest me THAT much. But if the story and gameplay are OK, and I'll probably get it, regardless of the graphics.

My internet connection drops for about 30 minutes each day, always at the most inconvenient time possible. There's no way I'd buy an always-online game.

 

[wisdom000]

I don't need top of the line graphics, I need a game that holds my interest and is awesome. RDR is still a better and more fun game than 90% of whats out there, and it's graphics are no where near what we are coming to expect, but they hold up just fine.

 

[Sardukhar]

Is it still confirmed that there's no Always Online requirement? I'm somewhat interested, but no point in starting to get hyped up if I can't play it.

(PC version, btw)

Yeah, they've stepped away from that disaster.

That debacle 991 refers to was hardly a "fan cluster" issue - it was part of an industry-wide rebellion by consumers. Hardcore fans, being a very small percent typically, will rarely affect the bottom line of a major corporate entity - but a strong percentage of the consumer base typically will.

Michael Pachter is not a reliable source. Here's a few of his, ah, ideas: http://nintendo.about.com/od/wiiliving/a/Does-Michael-Pachter-Know-What-Hes-Talking-About.htm

As https://www.ubisoftgroup.com/en-us/press/detail.aspx?cid=tcm:99-47692&ctid=tcm:95-27313-32 shows, they did quite well in 2011-2012, despite a share price drop. In fact, they made a profit as opposed to the year ended March 2011. This from core game sales.
Interestingly, their online sales more than doubled.

Gauging the effect of fan response on market share or corporate value is tricky. If a vocal fanbase was a reliable convincer, we'd still have Firefly. It just isn't.

This isn't to say that the Always On thing wasn't a problem - it was. And UBI changed the policy. That took an industry-wide reaction, though, not the yowlings of NEOGaf.

 

[Garrison72]

I don't need top of the line graphics, I need a game that holds my interest and is awesome. RDR is still a better and more fun game than 90% of whats out there, and it's graphics are no where near what we are coming to expect, but they hold up just fine.

Rockstar knows how to squeeze every last bit out of every pixel. I may hate their writing and gameplay, but their environmental art design is second to none. RDR will always look good. Watchdogs, as of now, doesn't hold a candle to Sleeping Dogs, which came out almost two years ago. I'm beginning to wonder about the delay.

 

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That debacle 991 refers to was hardly a "fan cluster" issue - it was part of an industry-wide rebellion by consumers.

"Fan cluster" is a made up phrase. Whether you call them a cluster, a flock, a pride, or whatever else is just semantics, and you don't want to get into all of that because the word "cluster" doesn't necessarily imply a smallish group. All I was doing was showing that fans could affect companies in a general sense, and even if I wasn't, large-scale rebellion by consumers typically starts on that small scale. Besides, you can't assume that everyone who hates something goes online to talk about it, so a lot of times that vocal little cluster is (at least somewhat) indicative of the larger gamer hive mind.

Firefly is something different altogether. A show that can be watched for free and a product that you have to pay for up front play by different rules because the latter's profits are directly tied to their customers and how those customers perceive them (and supporting something you dislike for free is much easier than putting money toward it, making it less risky to piss of television show fans), and let's not pretend that FOX doesn't just throw darts at a board to figure out their programming schedule, anyway. There's nothing resembling rational thought behind how they operate.

 

[Sardukhar]

"Fan cluster" is a made up phrase. And a bunch more words.

All phrases are made up. In this case, I made it up to signify a grouping, not too large, and irregular in shape. Your argument is that a vocal little cluster is a lot of times somewhat indicative of the larger gamer hive mind. That's vague and not really backed-up by anything. If ti turned out the twenty people complaining on the forums had their complaints addressed, that doesn't mean they were or weren't indicative.

You're actually suggesting it's less risky to piss off television fans than gamers? No. Television still has stupid wide reach. Do you know, for example, where Jobs had Apple spend most of it's advertising budget? TV. TV talks to the hivemind of the world. The few people yelling about Ubisoft and always online are a tiny fraction of those annoyed by something like Firefly, Terminator SCC or Dollhouse. Or anything else Summer Glau has had cancelled.

Making your fans happy in TV land is much, much more vital than in gamer land. You pay in time for both, and emotional attachment to your favourite show. Crossing TV fans is riskier than offending gamers. Nielsens and the advertising dollars they bring in demonstrate that.

You watch and see how much complaining about Watch Dogs graphics or anything else on the forums affects sales. You might recall similarly angry postings and yammering about Call of Duty being the same or a thousand other CoD complaints while the game sold like mad.

 

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Do you know, for example, where Jobs had Apple spend most of it's advertising budget? TV. TV talks to the hivemind of the world. The few people yelling about Ubisoft and always online are a tiny fraction of those annoyed by something like Firefly, Terminator SCC or Dollhouse.

So you think that the smallish number of people willing to boycott free shows on a certain network would make Apple reconsider spending money there on television ads? Compare that possibility to gaming forums like GAF that are often used to show that "teh gamerz is mad!" on gaming news sites. Where did people learn about the evils of always-on DRM, anyway? I highly doubt everyone who complained actually bought a game that used it, and the gaming media helped drive that industry-wide consumer dissatisfaction that eventually ended it. Those little clusters, delicious little bunches that they are, are often the spark that sets off the larger firestorm. Why are you trying to deny them the glory that's rightfully theirs?

You watch and see how much complaining about Watch Dogs graphics or anything else on the forums affects sales. You might recall similarly angry postings and yammering about Call of Duty being the same or a thousand other CoD complaints while the game sold like mad.

I have no doubt that the graphics thing won't affect sales because of how pointless the whole thing is. I was just making a general point for the sake of not agreeing 100% with you. It would make me feel dirty to not disagree on at least one thing.

 

[braindancer12]

I don't need top of the line graphics, I need a game that holds my interest and is awesome. RDR is still a better and more fun game than 90% of whats out there, and it's graphics are no where near what we are coming to expect, but they hold up just fine.

so true man

 

[Edo34]

So apparently folks back at Ubisoft are shitting their pants because backlash against Watch Dogs is much stronger than they anticipated...I sense a cautionary tale in this whole situation.

 

[dragonbird]

Has it actually been confirmed yet that this is what you'll get on PS4/Xone?

 

[Edo34]

Has it actually been confirmed yet that this is what you'll get on PS4/Xone?

Yep.

 

[Sardukhar]

Yep.

By whom?

 

[ReptilePZ]

PS Denmark

 

[Edo34]

By whom?

 

[Sardukhar]

Warning: there is a variable integer of gifs that trigger moderator action. We are nearing that point.

I'm not sure -why- they don't like gifs, which I find amusing and pleasantly mesmerising. I'm gonna chalk it up to being Evil. Yep.

 

[Edo34]

Warning: there is a variable integer of gifs that trigger moderator action. We are nearing that point.

I'm not sure -why- they don't like gifs, which I find amusing and pleasantly mesmerising. I'm gonna chalk it up to being Evil. Yep.

Which Evil is it though?Resident Evil?Dr. Evil?Or just some random dude named Evil(which may or may not be evil just because his name is Evil)?I need answers!!

 

[braindancer12]

 

[Edo34]

Now there's some real evil...poor bastard.

 

[wisdom000]

Give the dog a cupcake.... you bastards...

 

[animalfather]

E3 2012 vs 2014 trailer. major downgrade.