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Pacifixer

Pacifixer

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#621
Dec 1, 2020
InkognitoXI said:
http://imgur.com/L2r97g9
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When mommy Harpy and daddy Barghest love each other very much, . . .
 
InkognitoXI

InkognitoXI

Senior user
#622
Dec 1, 2020
Also, maybe I am overlooking someone's comment, however it might be worth pointing out that Viy is specifically shown demolishing parts of a city in it's artwork, which is propably the elven city Maribor is later built on.

Furthermore for everyone saying Ivar would not be as flashy as the other high end Gold cards, just imagine using Ivar on a unit consuming Viy during one of its later stages for an easy (30-40)+ points.

Edit: The previously mentioned Tatterwing could actually make sense with Viy on the copy of it Caranthir spawns.
 
Riven-Twain

Riven-Twain

Moderator
#623
Dec 1, 2020
Pacifixer said:
When mommy Harpy and daddy Barghest love each other very much, . . .
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With a consuming passion, more like.
 
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Jousting-Jack

Jousting-Jack

Senior user
#624
Dec 1, 2020
It's good that these beasts multiply at such a rapid rate. We wouldn't want witchers to be out of a job.
 
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replayNinja

replayNinja

Forum regular
#625
Dec 1, 2020
quintivarium said:
Viy promotes toxic tutoring — and almost makes it feel ok.
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I don't know about tutoring being ok lol The toxic tutoring and removal is still just bad game design, a lot of these mechanics were removed and are only being added again so I'm not sure why the devs believe the outcome will now be different.

With Viy though if it gets locked or Yenvo'd then you'd be left with 2 or 3 expensive, bricked tutors. Something like Ritual sacrifice and Weavess: Incantation would be interesting though since they've not seen much play in a while along with Tatterwing
 
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Bleach25

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#626
Dec 1, 2020
InkognitoXI said:
Also, maybe I am overlooking someone's comment, however it might be worth pointing out that Viy is specifically shown demolishing parts of a city in it's artwork, which is propably the elven city Maribor is later built on.

Furthermore for everyone saying Ivar would not be as flashy as the other high end Gold cards, just imagine using Ivar on a unit consuming Viy during one of its later stages for an easy (30-40)+ points.

Edit: The previously mentioned Tatterwing could actually make sense with Viy on the copy of it Caranthir spawns.
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Ivar is useless in the last three turns of a round
 
InkognitoXI

InkognitoXI

Senior user
#627
Dec 1, 2020
replayNinja said:
I don't know about tutoring being ok lol The toxic tutoring and removal is still just bad game design, a lot of these mechanics were removed and are only being added again so I'm not sure why the devs believe the outcome will now be different.

With Viy though if it gets locked or Yenvo'd then you'd be left with 2 or 3 expensive, bricked tutors. Something like Ritual sacrifice and Weavess: Incantation would be interesting though since they've not seen much play in a while along with Tatterwing
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They are both honestly horrible interactions (Sacrifice and Incantation), given that they just shufffe Viy back into the deck and thus play for a massively negative tempo.
Also in that case the opponent can interact with Viy.
Tatterwing is neat with a copy of Viy created via Caranthir, also given that that additional copy is in most matchups expendable and Tatterwing consumes it at its full base strength, not just 1.
Decks built around Viy want to immediately consume it with Order consumes and Overwhelming Hunger charges, to not give the opponent a chance to interact with the Viy itself (to prevent locks, banishes, adding doomed, Invocation etc), so all of those slow interactions like Sacrifice and deploy consumes are usually undesirable.


Bleach25 said:
Ivar is useless in the last three turns of a round
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Not what I stated.
In a deck around Viy you want to continuously play/tutor it and then immediately consume it.
Each time the consuming unit gets the full body of Viy and itself.
Given that Viy decks do that throughout the entire game the idea that Ivar cannot be used on them is just odd.
Ivar and tall punishes in general will have a field day, there is probably not such a thing as a bricked tall punish against that deck.
 
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Bleach25

Forum regular
#628
Dec 1, 2020
InkognitoXI said:
They are both honestly horrible interactions (Sacrifice and Incantation), given that they just shufffe Viy back into the deck and thus play for a massively negative tempo.
Also in that case the opponent can interact with Viy.
Tatterwing is neat with a copy of Viy created via Caranthir, also given that that additional copy is in most matchups expendable and Tatterwing consumes it at its full base strength, not just 1.
Decks around it want to immediately consume it with Order consumes and Overwhelming Hunger charges, to not give the opponent a chance to interact with the Viy itself (to prevent locks, banishes, adding doomed, Invocation etc).



Not what I stated.
In a deck around Viy you want to continuously play/tutor it and then immediately consume it.
Each time the consuming unit gets the full body of Viy and itself.
Given that Viy decks do that throughout the entire game the idea that Ivar cannot be used on them is just odd.
Ivar and tall punishes in general will have a field day, there is probably not such a thing as a bricked tall punish against that deck.
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Oh ok my bad then
 
replayNinja

replayNinja

Forum regular
#629
Dec 1, 2020
InkognitoXI said:
They are both honestly horrible interactions (Sacrifice and Incantation), given that they just shufffe Viy back into the deck and thus play for a massively negative tempo.
Also in that case the opponent can interact with Viy.
Tatterwing is neat with a copy of Viy created via Caranthir, also given that that additional copy is in most matchups expendable and Tatterwing consumes it at its full base strength, not just 1.
Decks around it want to immediately consume it with Order consumes and Overwhelming Hunger charges, to not give the opponent a chance to interact with the Viy itself (to prevent locks, banishes, adding doomed, Invocation etc).
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Viy by design is negative tempo so that's a given no matter how you decide to use this card. For a tutor focused deck I can however think of scenarios where Sacrifice or Incantation could make for interesting play with multiple Viy.
 
InkognitoXI

InkognitoXI

Senior user
#630
Dec 1, 2020
replayNinja said:
Viy by design is negative tempo so that's a given no matter how you decide to use this card. For a tutor focused deck I can however think of scenarios where Sacrifice or Incantation could make for interesting play with multiple Viy.
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How is Viy negative tempo by design ?
Sacrifice and Incantation shuffle Viy back into the deck, so you play for 0 points in 2 cards and only strengthen Viy by 3 points, while with cards like Barbegazi you get 14 points + all the upgrades of Viy already accumulated in 2 cards and still get the upgrade.
Why would you want a 2 card 0 point play if you could get the same benefits with 14+ points also being deployed ?
 
Markus_Wirth

Markus_Wirth

Forum regular
#631
Dec 1, 2020
replayNinja said:
Viy by design is negative tempo so that's a given no matter how you decide to use this card. For a tutor focused deck I can however think of scenarios where Sacrifice or Incantation could make for interesting play with multiple Viy.
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How to Sacrifice or Incantation work with Viy? I can just imagine two cases:
1) It´s really suffled back. So you lose Viy on board without getting any value. But have a +3 Viy in deck.
2) Nothing happens.
(3) Do not think that a copy boosted by 3 will be spawn in a deck.

Probably 1) will happen and this definitely bad. There are much better targets for this cards. I would even argue that they antisynergize with Viy.
 
InkognitoXI

InkognitoXI

Senior user
#632
Dec 1, 2020
Markus_Wirth said:
How to Sacrifice or Incantation work with Viy? I can just imagine two cases:
1) It´s really suffled back. So you lose Viy on board without getting any value. But have a +3 Viy in deck.
2) Nothing happens.
(3) Do not think that a copy boosted by 3 will be spawn in a deck.

Probably 1) will happen and this definitely bad. There are much better targets for this cards. I would even argue that they antisynergize with Viy.
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(3) cannot really be as Viy mentions spawn nowhere in the text (Edit: It specifically mentions itself being moved).
I would say (3) should be: Strengthen Viy on the board by 3.
That being said I am 90% sure that it will be (1).
 
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cardgame-respecter

cardgame-respecter

Fresh user
#633
Dec 1, 2020
Draconifors said:
Meme combo with Salamander, Madame Luiza, and Syanna; kill everything that doesn't have Veil (and advance the "kill only using Poison" contract). Would be hilarious.
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Sadly I believe that the tribute is not actually a deploy ability, only the poison 1 enemy is. However if it worked, that would be amazing.
 
replayNinja

replayNinja

Forum regular
#634
Dec 2, 2020
InkognitoXI said:
(3) cannot really be as Viy mentions spawn nowhere in the text (Edit: It specifically mentions itself being moved).
I would say (3) should be: Strengthen Viy on the board by 3.
That being said I am 90% sure that it will be (1).
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That's fine really, Ritual Sacrifice activates all Deathwish on your rows simultaneously (sort of) not just Viy. I can think of situations where I'd like to return a deathwish unit to my deck with carryover in this case. Could be useful in closing R1 assuming I had two or more Viy, at least return one to my deck. Certainly not without it's risks but doable
 
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StanislavOZZO

StanislavOZZO

Forum regular
#635
Dec 2, 2020
A bit of lore behind Sapkowski story that you may find interesting: he acquired the idea of Viy from slavic folklore (and probably also from 19th century Russian writer named Gogol who had a famous story called Viy).

If you don't have the time to read, Viy is a slavic demonic creature. Imagine a mix of the crones from the Witcher and the Greek god of death Hades and you'll get the picture.
 
InkognitoXI

InkognitoXI

Senior user
#636
Dec 2, 2020
cardgame-respecter said:
Sadly I believe that the tribute is not actually a deploy ability, only the poison 1 enemy is. However if it worked, that would be amazing.
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I think it was confirmed (by Molegion ?) during Crozyr's stream.
You get the Deploy again and the Tribute is a keyword for the deploy ability, so you get the deploy ability again and have the option to upgrade it by paying 9 coins.
 
Draconifors

Draconifors

Moderator
#637
Dec 2, 2020
cardgame-respecter said:
Sadly I believe that the tribute is not actually a deploy ability, only the poison 1 enemy is. However if it worked, that would be amazing.
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I looked into it before posting, and Syanna does make it possible to pay a Tribute twice.
 
OneWhoCravesSouls

OneWhoCravesSouls

Forum regular
#638
Dec 2, 2020
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1334081816521830401
 
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Bleach25

Forum regular
#639
Dec 2, 2020
OneWhoCravesSouls said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1334081816521830401
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8 for five, 8 for five everywhere
 
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Dark_Urizen

Fresh user
#640
Dec 2, 2020
Ok.

I would say something more, but this expansion is so ridiculously unbalanced that nothing more needs to be say.
 
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