We need the DOWN vote again, please !

[Geralt_and_Ciri]

We need the DOWN vote again, please !

MOD: If you wish to have a discussion on the DOWN vote, go ahead. But do NOT use this topic as a means of attacking other forum members.

If you disagree with something another member says, say so in the thread concerned, and give reasons.

 

[bengeddes]

I'm glad to see it go myself.

It could sometimes encourage a herd mentality/snowball effect with voting negative on posts (probably happened with positive votes too, but no one hurts from that).
Also, it's not like it had much of a function, it didn't hide posts once the rating got low enough, and users with low reps weren't penalized.

 

[vivaxardas2015]

Well, I read the original post and I should say - no, we don't. It seems that Down vote is used as a punishment. If we want a good discussion the last thing we want is to punish people who have different opinions. If a poster is polite, does not break forum rules, and posts on topic, he or she shouldn't be penalized. You disagree with what was said? In this case take your time and express your opinion in full sentences and paragraphs, and not by pushing red buttons like on some stupid TV shows. It is a forum for discussions, and not a show for an approval or disapproval of a crowd that is expressed by hand gestures. If people do not find it necessary to be troubled with responding to posts, they sure shouldn't have a disapproval button readily available.

 

[ReptilePZ]

 

[GuyNwah]

Well, I read the original post and I should say - no, we don't. It seems that Down vote is used as a punishment. If we want a good discussion the last thing we want is to punish people who have different opinions. If a poster is polite, does not break forum rules, and posts on topic, he or she shouldn't be penalized. You disagree with what was said? In this case take your time and express your opinion in full sentences and paragraphs, and not by pushing red buttons like on some stupid TV shows. It is a forum for discussions, and not a show for an approval or disapproval of a crowd that is expressed by hand gestures. If people do not find it necessary to be troubled with responding to posts, they sure shouldn't have a disapproval button readily available.

^This.

The moderators are here to deal with posts that are out of order: flamebaiting, attacking other members, spoiling their fun. We don't need downvotes to help us do that, nor do we or anybody else need downvotes as a show of disagreement.

Freedom of speech (such as it might be said to exist on a private forum) is not the right to say anything you please. It's the right to speak words you intend to take responsibility for speaking; and it's the duty to dissent decently and in order when you believe dissent is called for.

 

[Aditya]

@new&improved_vivaxardas (dam mate, still that username really? lol) pretty much said it. Downvote is not needed. I don't think this thread needs any further discussion either, wondering why the mod didn't lock it already.

 

[soldiergeralt]

i like it as an alternative form of disagreement when written languages does not adequately do the job. some people "get" that type of response more than any number of well expressed thoughts. we should accommodate different modes of communication.

 

[Sirnaq]

No op, we don't need downvote, we also don't need red points and we don't need thanking smiles. People should be able to say what is on their minds and their opinion should *not* be influenced by some retarded system. If somebody goes over the line then mod should react but other than that, you are free to disagree and you are free to say so.

Downvote is used only if you have no argument or can't articulate it. Upvote influences one's opinion, and leads to the point when person post politically correct opinions that are in line with general consensus. Such systems are enemy of free speech and freedom of thought.

 

[GuyNwah]

No op, we don't need downvote, we also don't need red points and we don't need thanking smiles. People should be able to say what is on their minds and their opinion should *not* be influenced by some retarded system. If somebody goes over the line then mod should react but other than that, you are free to disagree and you are free to say so.

Downvote is used only if you have no argument or can't articulate it. Upvote influences one's opinion, and leads to the point when person post politically correct opinions that are in line with general consensus. Such systems are enemy of free speech and freedom of thought.

That's an interesting view, well expressed. When the "Thank" and "REDpoint" options are used as you describe, I agree, they are indeed as inappropriate as the downvotes were. But that's not their only use. They can be used for exceptionally helpful posts in gameplay or technical support, creative or unusual insights into the themes, characters, or lore of the games, or contributions of artwork or creative writing. For these things, there should be some way of extending kudos.

 

[soldiergeralt]

this is a privately owned forum with moderators who can censor your post if need be, so i don't think freedom of speech really applies here. besides, those methods, downvoting, redpoints, etc are forms of speech as well.

please consider that some people have learning disabilities that do not let them see a chain of critical responses as a sign that there might be an issue with their viewpoint. a big red minus sign next to their name with a double digit number next to it gives them a concrete understanding of the situation. "oh, so this many people disagree with me, maybe i should reevaluate my position"

also, it obviates some of the harsher responses by letting potential tough critics see that this person has been "handled" already.

both written and symbolic communication work in conjunction to more effectively drive the point home.

namaste

 

[sidspyker]

No.

 

[sfinx]

Geralt and Ciri: I don't think we need them - much better than negative votes are arguments
And if someone crossed some line, there is always chance to report that post..

Spoiler

Can you, please, tell me where is this from?

 

[Demut]

No op, we don't need downvote, we also don't need red points and we don't need thanking smiles. People should be able to say what is on their minds and their opinion should *not* be influenced by some retarded system.

Hear, hear! My sentiment exactly. Either have options to express both like and dislike or (even better) have no such artificial options at all, especially if they actually do nothing!

 

[Marcin Momot]

Thank you for your suggestion. The option has been removed due to users' feedback. We won't be bringing it back - it was causing more evil than good.

 

[Sephira]

According to you the down vote should be introduced for some users. But if someone, as @new&improved_vivaxardas said before, expresses an opinion without breaking the rules, without bothering anyone, without using strong tones ... where's the problem?
For example, now, if the system was reintroduced as you intended, you would have a lot of negative points, because many users don't agree with your opinion. This is not the goal of these points. It's not a punishment for a different opinion, you know.

I'm glad that the down vote system has been deleted.

 

[Sirnaq]

this is a privately owned forum with moderators who can censor your post if need be, so i don't think freedom of speech really applies here. besides, those methods, downvoting, redpoints, etc are forms of speech as well.

please consider that some people have learning disabilities that do not let them see a chain of critical responses as a sign that there might be an issue with their viewpoint. a big red minus sign next to their name with a double digit number next to it gives them a concrete understanding of the situation. "oh, so this many people disagree with me, maybe i should reevaluate my position"

also, it obviates some of the harsher responses by letting potential tough critics see that this person has been "handled" already.

both written and symbolic communication work in conjunction to more effectively drive the point home.

namaste

Moderators, delete posts that are against the rules, not the posts that they do not like. Other then breaking the rules, freedom of speech still applies. Those methods are form of influencing opinion of others that i wouldn't call free speach. You can express yourself by actual dialog where you can post and defend your opinion and express why you think that someone's opinion is incorrect. Compared to that, simple downvote is merely primitive form of telling somebody to get lost, it doesn't carry value of argument. Same with upvote that encourages hive mind way of thinking.

We are assuming that forum users are sentient beings that can think for themselves. If there is any issue the post should be deleted. Expressing your point and defending it even if the point you are trying to make is hard to defend and considered by most members retarded is *not* issue in itself. Also please consider that it works both ways, very clever idea can be downvoted to hell by mass for going against the consensus.

There is nothing wrong with harsh responses as long as they are not breaking forum rules and are reasonably backed by logic.

I prefer civilized ways of speech instead of clicking buttons.

 

[ReptilePZ]

Can you, please, tell me where is this from?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063462/

 

[Mataresa]

I thought, the way up and down vote worked were wrong, but I saw some use in them. If I would read through a thread, I would up or downvote the posts I agreed with or disagreed and then I would post my reply. But it should have to do anything with reputation. I wouldn't even mind, if it would show 20people agreed with this and 10 disagreed, maybe even give a list of the members that did. I don't want to punish anybody with it. But I can do without it as well.
What is the difference between the smiley and the redpoint anyway?

 

[Marcin Momot]

I thought, the way up and down vote worked were wrong, but I saw some use in them. If I would read through a thread, I would up or downvote the posts I agreed with or disagreed and then I would post my reply. But it should have to do anything with reputation. I wouldn't even mind, if it would show 20people agreed with this and 10 disagreed, maybe even give a list of the members that did. I don't want to punish anybody with it. But I can do without it as well.
What is the difference between the smiley and the redpoint anyway?

REDpoints add to your reputation and the smiley face is just a simple "Thank you".

 

[daddy300]

We need the DOWN vote again, please !