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Moxy3

Moxy3

Forum regular
#161
Jan 11, 2021
MAXXVOLTAGE said:
- I have seen posts on here where some last gen console users have enjoyed the game. That seem to be as forgotten as the some PC users dismissing every single post that says the game is running flawlessly on various hardwear /softwear configurations. and still insisting that it is the "software " that is broken not the fact its incompatible with their personal systems as a whole for some unknown reason.

In the end it last gen may have failed and being removed by Sony ( Micorsoft has not removed it interesting isnt it ?) but you could also interpret the comment as "Cyberpunk 2077 runs surprisingly well” on last gen console considering how old and outdated the system is and was never meant to run this game.

See how anything can have a different meaning. People choose to interpret what they see and read.
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Jesus, you try a lot to justify even this mess. Like, it is as obvious as it can be, that they either didnt try it out on console or they just went on and said screw it, release it.
Either way, they hid it or lied.
 
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MAXXVOLTAGE

Forum regular
#162
Jan 11, 2021
Zefninja said:
Sure, I can respect your opinion on that.. my point regarding the hypetrain is creating distorted perceptions due to marketing techniques has no place in selling any consumed product.
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this will be relovolutionalry you will have multiple ways to customize you cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you can choose body shape color size of tiers. - that is multiple ways

The clothes you have will be amazing you can customize your outfits from a Varity of choices!!!!!!!

you can choose form 3 - jackets 3 shirts -3 pants - 3 shoes - also true

The massive city will have multiple areas for you to explore !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3 fairly sized different areas. - also true.


the point being if someone preorder or bought this game day 1 and expected something different that's not on the company or "hype" that's on the consumer for not the company.

Its amazing how may people look at "marketing" in general and think its 100% accurate because of " false advertising"
laws" and not accepting the responsibility that they did check the validity of the "marketing" before making the purchase if they did not want to take the risk of being disappointed if it didn't live up to the hype.

Your missing the whole point to of marketing is s to "create a hypetrain and distort perceptions" why do you think food companies go to t his much effort to make their food look better than reality.

 
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Zefninja

Zefninja

Fresh user
#163
Jan 11, 2021
MAXXVOLTAGE said:
this will be relovolutionalry you will have multiple ways to customize you cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you can choose body shape color size of tiers. - that is multiple ways

The clothes you have will be amazing you can your outfits from a Varity of choices!!!!!!!

you can choose form 3 - jackets 3 shirts -3 pants - 3 shoes - also true

The massive city will have multiple areas for you to explore !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3 fairly sized different areas. - also true.


the point being if someone preorder or bought this game day 1 and expected something different that's not on the company or "hype" that's on the consumer for not the company.

Its amazing how may people look at "marketing" in general and think its 100% accurate because of " false advertising"
laws"

Your missing the whole point to of marketing is s to "create a hypetrain and distort perceptions" why do you think food companies go to t his much effort to make their food look better than reality.

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I understand how marketing works. So do you support someone distorting actuals to produce greater sales figures?
 
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MAXXVOLTAGE

Forum regular
#164
Jan 11, 2021
Zefninja said:
I understand how marketing works. So do you support someone distorting actuals to produce greater sales figures?
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Yes. I been in marketing before so yes . That's part of the job.

As a consumer because I been in marketing I don't trust anything I see in a commercial or promotional videos or anything of that sort ever.

If I choose" to buy any product , pre-order or donate to a Kickstarter with outdoing my due diligence ( like a video game ) and am disappointed I blame myself for being lazy and not doing my due diligence

So really I personally have absolutely no sympathy none 0 for those who just blindly believe marketing and then try to hide behind "false advertising laws" because they did not wait till all info was available after release or did not even try to get information about a product and just blindly believed all promo and marketing material of any kind.

In the case of last gen if I bought it and it didn't work ( there have been reports of people enjoying it on last gen) I would have just got my refund and moved on or just left it there and tried it again later

It s a $60 videogame not life and death and not really anything important or life shattering, I would have just dismissed it as a disappointment I would not have put so much effort in to raging on social media about it.
 
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CNedelcu

CNedelcu

Forum regular
#165
Jan 11, 2021
MAXXVOLTAGE said:
It s a $60 videogame not life and death and not really anything important or life shattering, I would have just dismissed it as a disappointment I would not have put so much effort in to raging on social media about it.
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Do you understand that because of these "marketing techniques" the share price declined almost 50% - billions wiped out? This is a public company and there are rules to adhere. Is not "just $60".
Your arguments are just "denial" - this company lied to their consumers and investors in the most ugly way!
 
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Hexagon-Sun

Hexagon-Sun

Forum regular
#166
Jan 11, 2021
MAXXVOLTAGE said:
Your missing the whole point to of marketing is s to "create a hypetrain and distort perceptions" why do you think food companies go to t his much effort to make their food look better than reality.
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Distorting perceptions sure went well for them, huh?
It's really simple. The trailer says there will be a certain feature, the consumer believes the feature will be present in the product. When an ad for a hamburger says the burger contains ham and lettuce, the picture may be fake but you expect the ham and lettuce in your burger. Not just bread. When you get the bread you don't go "oh silly me. I had high expectations".
It's not the visuals that are off in the game. It's a big portion of the features that the company was raving about in their million trailers.
You can't brush off missing features as a good job on the marketing team.
This is my view on this topic. I understand that you look at it differently but you probably shouldn't defend this at all.
 
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Draconifors

Draconifors

Moderator
#167
Jan 11, 2021
Enough with the personal skirmish.
 
CNedelcu

CNedelcu

Forum regular
#168
Jan 11, 2021
Draconifors said:
Enough with the personal skirmish.
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aye boss :)
 
Zefninja

Zefninja

Fresh user
#169
Jan 11, 2021
Anyways,
Back to what's important. I hope the Devs give us a platform, especially to the regular contributors here, to enhance their post-release feedback.

Maybe they can't implement the systems we want changed in this title but for the forthcoming sequels.
 
Jiao-long

Jiao-long

Forum regular
#170
Jan 11, 2021
There are hundred of thousands feedback already in reddit, there are also thousands of feedback here, there are also tens of thousand feedback on Youtube, and he is asking for feedback on his personal twitter account after one month from release?

If I were in his shoes I'd say, "I already read all of your feedback and I am working hard to give you what we promise before."

Because, I think that's the only right thing to do.
 
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Zefninja

Zefninja

Fresh user
#171
Jan 11, 2021
Jiao-long said:
There are hundred of thousands feedback already in reddit, there are also thousands of feedback here, there are also tens of thousand feedback on Youtube, and he is asking for feedback on his personal twitter account after one month from release?

If I were in his shoes I'd say, "I already read all of your feedback and I am working hard to give you what we promise before."

Because, I think that's the only right thing to do.
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Very true indeed however one needs to remember how overwhelming it all can be. Hence my original sentiment that the method of communicating feedback needs to be controlled, with tools for us to easily upload info.
 
gregski

gregski

Moderator
#172
Jan 11, 2021
OK, more posts with personal, hostile remarks deleted.

This thread already got a fair share of those and it seems to attract rather combative attitude, so treat it as a last warning - either you tone down the hostilities and stop attacking other users for what they think or this thread will be locked.

Challenge ideas, not people.
 
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Elcontusion

Forum regular
#173
Jan 11, 2021
I_Willenbrock_I said:
Not in the slightest.
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at its core (of course adapted to a cyberpunk setting) you have the same quest design. same map/world design. same dialogue system. same ui. similar protagonist. different camera perspective. different combat and different movement.
tw3 with guns.
 
M

Mebrilia

Forum veteran
#174
Jan 11, 2021
MAXXVOLTAGE said:
Yes. I been in marketing before so yes . That's part of the job.

As a consumer because I been in marketing I don't trust anything I see in a commercial or promotional videos or anything of that sort ever.

If I choose" to buy any product , pre-order or donate to a Kickstarter with outdoing my due diligence ( like a video game ) and am disappointed I blame myself for being lazy and not doing my due diligence

So really I personally have absolutely no sympathy none 0 for those who just blindly believe marketing and then try to hide behind "false advertising laws" because they did not wait till all info was available after release or did not even try to get information about a product and just blindly believed all promo and marketing material of any kind.

In the case of last gen if I bought it and it didn't work ( there have been reports of people enjoying it on last gen) I would have just got my refund and moved on or just left it there and tried it again later

It s a $60 videogame not life and death and not really anything important or life shattering, I would have just dismissed it as a disappointment I would not have put so much effort in to raging on social media about it.
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Where i live false advertisement is considered a fraud as it should be. I have absolutely no respect for who is distorting realities in order to sell a product. Nothing justifies lies or deiciving.

Also i won't excuse cd projekt to use this unethical pratice. In the end they Authorized the marketing for what is it so they are to blame equally for the marketing.
Dishonesty is what is it. Dishonesty.
It should never be excused.
 
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Gillian_Seed

Gillian_Seed

Senior user
#175
Jan 11, 2021
kofeiiniturpa said:
The communication has been like that for years. Opening up on things almost anywhere else but here.

They do read, though. Or so I’ve heard.
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Their very own forum is a treasure trove of feedback...if anything that tweet is even more cause for worry and I didn't think that was possible lol :shrug:
 
I_Willenbrock_I

I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#176
Jan 11, 2021
Gillian_Seed said:
Their very own forum is a treasure trove of feedback...if anything that tweet is even more cause for worry and I didn't think that was possible lol :shrug:
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My feedback on Twitter was that he should look at the forum.

Here, you will find valid criticism from real fans, who take the time to look into things. Twitter is only good if you want sugar blown up your arse.
 
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Mebrilia

Forum veteran
#177
Jan 11, 2021
They had feedback since the game was first announced year before the E3 announcement. Guess they did not put much value on it as the game as it is went the exact Opposite people were hoping it to be here in this forum.
I hope they lerarned the lesson but i don't have big hopes
 
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Gillian_Seed

Gillian_Seed

Senior user
#178
Jan 11, 2021
I_Willenbrock_I said:
My feedback on Twitter was that he should look at the forum.

Here, you will find valid criticism from real fans, who take the time to look into things. Twitter is only good if you want sugar blown up your arse.
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Thanks, hopefully that feedback reaches them.

Asking for peoples opinion on twitter though scares me, that's probably the last place on Earth I'd want anyone's opinion on how to improve anything.
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Mebrilia said:
They had feedback since the game was first announced year before the E3 announcement. Guess they did not put much value on it as the game as it is went the exact Opposite people were hoping it to be here in this forum.
I hope they lerarned the lesson but i don't have big hopes
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Very true, they took the whole "we know what gamers want" route and failed.
 
I_Willenbrock_I

I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#179
Jan 11, 2021
Gillian_Seed said:
Thanks, hopefully that feedback reaches them.

Asking for peoples opinion on twitter though scares me, that's probably the last place on Earth I'd want anyone's opinion on how to improve anything.
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Never ever. Too many people praising. Aspects of the game.


Hello? Even if I would be happy with the stories conclusion, the game is a clusterfuck.
Skilltrees are boring +damage perks and they all look alike.
Crafting is boring and repetitive
Lootgame is boring and uninteresting
Cyberware is mostly passive Stat increase.
Imbalanced weapons
AI (more the lack of it)
Lacking fraction system
Almost 0 player agency
The absolutely beautiful world is underused and not interactive.
The pacing of act 2 and the open world (the only act where we can freely explore the open world) don't fit.
The main stories topic sours lots of side activities, once you become engaged to it. You can only enjoy the open world, when you totally ignore the main mission - that's a sacrilege in an open world game.

All those valid criticism (plot problems in the epilogue aside) sour the whole experience, the stunning visuals, the outstanding soundtrack, the stellar voice acting (especially miss V) and the theme.
 
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Proto2149

Proto2149

Forum regular
#180
Jan 11, 2021
Generally when ppl, me included, ask for feedback, we look for the thumbs up but also the things that need polishing, changed or even removed.
In this case particularly, I'm hoping the feedback term was not properly used since there's many ppl all over the internet that have already stated what's wrong, the devs are also gamers and are aware of its flaws, they don't need anymore references to what's not working and what's wrong, for what they managed to achieve I also don't think they need us telling them how beautiful and incredible NC is etc
I assume they are looking for ways to achieve and implement shelved ideas that for one reason or another are not featured in NC.
I also do not agree that Twitter is the right place to look for players opinions, this would be the only place, their home where we are guests and are free to leave whenever we want or stay if we're diggin' the party. Twitter's a corpo party on which everyone is trying to impress someone while here would be your friends party where we just at to have fun and have constructive conversations.

Note regarding glitchy npcs, If I approach an npc in jigjig street is understandable I get a rough response because they don't want to be bothered for whatever reason, but if i'm approaching a corpo looking character on the other side of town i'd expect a more formal response while what we get is the exact same responses as we'd get from a homeless, dirty looking npc.
To finish, I find interesting the vanishing npcs and erratic behaviours, we have tons of cyber shit installed in our eyes, brain, body, i'd expect the occasional glitch on which we would not be sure of what we've just seen, felt etc
 
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