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Aes Sídhe

Aes Sídhe

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#18,881
Sep 11, 2014
^What Gilrond said. The concept is obviously great & can be very useful, otherwise the behemoths wouldn't exist. But the downsides of the current implementations far outweigh the benefits, I know this to be true both for the present and the unpredictable future, but it's one of those realisations people have to come to themselves. If you are happy with a humanity where everyone is defined by a simple checklist of behaviours and pidgeon holed into homogeneous boxes then don't resist the trends that make us more "machine readable".

Incidentally, to add something to Gilronds list of negativities, the homogeneous nature of the behemoth SN's is always something that irked me. I remember a time when if you wanted a web presence you made your own site, easily done & important 'net lessons learned to boot... and the variety of sites that also produced is something I lament.
 
Gilrond-i-Virdan

Gilrond-i-Virdan

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Sep 11, 2014
Aes Sídhe said:
But the downsides of the current implementations far outweigh the benefits, I know this to be true both for the present and the unpredictable future, but it's one of those realisations people have to come to themselves. I
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Most implementations. Some attempt to work on fixing the situation (http://www.villagevoice.com/2012-02-15/news/the-facebook-killers/). The main problem is the usual network effect. For many people who are already involved in the widespread networks like FB, ditching them is somewhat of a challenge and requires strong resolution to dump them for the sake of better alternatives. The problem for them is that in the new networks which can be much better idea wise they often can find none of their old contacts. So such people get a feeling of the "ghost town". However it's a usual challenge of any network effect.
 
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Aes Sídhe

Aes Sídhe

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Sep 11, 2014
Well, Finance needs sorted differently. The current model provides the "free" service by selling your data (estimated ~£100 / year) and providing targeted adverts. An interesting alternative that has been floated was instead of an advert appearing on visiting the website, an app loads that grinds on a bitcoin for a discrete length of time thereby paying the provider.

And we need a digital bill of rights. The haste at which society collectively has effectively surrendered all notions of privacy is frightening... I dunno, perhaps you need to have experienced a police state to know how bad bureaucracies can get.

edit: read about a startup the other day, individuals can supply them with whatever personal data they wish to share, and receive a cut of its sales on to the advertisers.
 
Gilrond-i-Virdan

Gilrond-i-Virdan

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Sep 11, 2014
Aes Sídhe said:
Well, Finance needs sorted differently. The current model provides the "free" service by selling your data (estimated ~£100 / year) and providing targeted adverts.
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Exactly. That's where decentralization comes in. In a fully decentralized network the cost of running it is spread amongst all users, so there is no need for any entity which has to spend insane money on server infrastructure and datacenters. Therefore there is no need for any monetization altogether. I.e. it's a network for communication, not for making money.
 
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Aes Sídhe

Aes Sídhe

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Sep 11, 2014
I'm all for systems that democratise, and if they involve people taking - sharing - some responsibility all the better. I favour decentralisation and peering, but in your proposal where is the data kept? Presumably on the owners node or scattered incomprehensibly amongst the peers. The various tracking instruments wild on the 'net could manage to circumvent the network architecture and still enable google et al to build associative data on individuals (thats the stuff that even if you delete all the data on your SN they still hold, and have every right to, because it is derived data, not dependent on source.

In the long run, I keep returning to the idea of a personal software agent, a true digital avatar, running on users machines with a host of privacy tools employed. It'd be like any other software client, the SN is then analogous to a game, think second life, only needing to share basic instructions like movement with the server, interactions between peoples avatars can then go direct connection. Maybe thats what MS have planned for Minecraft ;)
 
eskiMoe

eskiMoe

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#18,886
Sep 11, 2014
.Volsung. said:
Happy b-day.

Which of course means BEER day.
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You misspelled bear ;)
 
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StaGiors

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#18,887
Sep 11, 2014
WHO ARE THESE ORANGE PEOPLES!? WHAT DO THEY WANT!?

Hi.

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/members/3758602-stfurca

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/members/3758733-adriankrupa
 
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shinobi2u

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#18,888
Sep 11, 2014
StaGiors said:
WHO ARE THESE ORANGE PEOPLES!? WHAT DO THEY WANT!?

Hi.

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/members/3758602-stfurca

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/members/3758733-adriankrupa
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:p

Battle Arena devs maybe?
 
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sidspyker

sidspyker

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#18,889
Sep 11, 2014
StaGiors said:
WHO ARE THESE ORANGE PEOPLES!? WHAT DO THEY WANT!?

Hi.

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/members/3758602-stfurca

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/members/3758733-adriankrupa
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CDProjekt is a company that loves colours apparently. We now have Reds, Blues and Oranges.
(They're devs from Fuero Games the MOBA guys, opposite CDPR HQ from what I've heard)
 
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Mataresa

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Sep 11, 2014
Not only orange people but orange peoples. Wow! (I love language, not meant as an insult. :) )
 
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Blothulfur

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#18,891
Sep 11, 2014
They wouldn't let me on Facebook as they didn't technically believe that what I had was a face.

Happy birthday.
 
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adventus.219

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#18,892
Sep 11, 2014
New trailer for the TV series which we all love so much... The American version :D

 
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Gilrond-i-Virdan

Gilrond-i-Virdan

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Sep 11, 2014
Aes Sídhe said:
I favour decentralisation and peering, but in your proposal where is the data kept? Presumably on the owners node or scattered incomprehensibly amongst the peers. The various tracking instruments wild on the 'net could manage to circumvent the network architecture and still enable google et al to build associative data on individuals
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Yes, your data can be kept on your own node with full decentralization. In partial decentralization + federation there are server nodes which federate (but that brings you back to the issue of trusting that server and its admins). Diaspora uses the second approach most of the time (like e-mail) but it allows the first in it's edge case - i.e. you can run your own pod with you being the single user on your own machine.

Of course someone can try to harvest whatever public info is available, but it's way more effort than going in your own centralized data (FB for example) and just mining it. Decentralized network makes it way harder and less attractive since it's external crawling of the public data, not comfortable exploitation of something that users expect to be private.

adventus said:
New trailer for the TV series which we all love so much... The American version
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Do they plan to release a translated version? May be GOG will get it DRM-free.
 
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Cs__sz__r

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#18,894
Sep 11, 2014
Cenrtalisation, decentralisation, federations...


Come on guys, you know you're not supposed to talk about politics. ;)
 
Gilrond-i-Virdan

Gilrond-i-Virdan

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#18,895
Sep 11, 2014
Csàszàr said:
Cenrtalisation, decentralisation, federations...


Come on guys, you know you're not supposed to talk about politics. ;)
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Politics should be hacked to solve its problems ;)

About networks:

 
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ReptilePZ

ReptilePZ

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#18,896
Sep 11, 2014
adventus said:
the TV series which we all love so much...
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Well, I wouldn't use the word love​...
 
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volsung

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Sep 11, 2014
You're right. The problem is not social networking, but the way most have been implemented.

Still, you're members of the club as I suspected. We'll have to decide whether @StaGiors qualifies ;)
 
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adventus.219

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#18,898
Sep 11, 2014
ReptilePZ said:
Well, I wouldn't use the word love​...
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Why? This is the best comedy/parody that I watched :p
 
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Aes Sídhe

Aes Sídhe

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Sep 12, 2014
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Still, you're members of the club as I suspected.
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Aye, I've a few Luddite genes that act as a gatekeeper to new tech, and in hindsight they've saved me much effort lost on fads. I will early adopt truly beneficial tech though, and I'd be the first to join a new breed of SN that really promoted social connections & discourse without the pernicious data gathering & dubious influence experimentation. I've only 2nd hand knowledge of Facebook but even from this distance it looks like a mirage - essentially false, perhaps even functionally a house of cards, its early days yet.

Bruce Schneier is a widely respected computer security specialist, he concisely sums up the problem we've been discussing that looks like no one in powers willing to solve: "Surveillance is the business model of the Internet," Schneier told attendees. "We build systems that spy on people in exchange for services. Corporations call it marketing."
 
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tommy5761

tommy5761

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#18,900
Sep 12, 2014
Happy Birthday @Kinley ! :cheers:
Hmm well what do you think about that...... talking about other "social websites" when they`re on one already.......the blasphemy . :p
 
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