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spookyxelectric

spookyxelectric

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#181
Jan 18, 2013
slimgrin said:
Please keep that nonsense the HELL away from cyberpunk...
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It's the exact kind of nonsense I do want to see, but don't expect. Cyberpunk is the one genre this nonsense actually makes sense. Neuromancer had Molly Millions sliding around, with retractable razor blade nails, The Matrix had Neo learning kung fu and fighting hundreds of Agent Smith clones with a pole.
 
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BialyWilk

Forum veteran
#182
Jan 18, 2013
spookyxelectric said:
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ChaosWolf1982 said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/robot-butt-shiri_n_1524229.html It exists.
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Both examples would be good if they would be shining metal plates instead of cyberskin. ;)
 
Garrison72

Garrison72

Mentor
#183
Jan 19, 2013
spookyxelectric said:
It's the exact kind of nonsense I do want to see, but don't expect. Cyberpunk is the one genre this nonsense actually makes sense. Neuromancer had Molly Millions sliding around, with retractable razor blade nails, The Matrix had Neo learning kung fu and fighting hundreds of Agent Smith clones with a pole.
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With all due respect to Pondsmith, CDPR has better writers and better judgment. Not everything from CP 2020 should be taken into consideration. Making it outlandish and weird, with people sporting multiple limbs, Rockerboys taking out evil CEO's with their killer guitar riffs, or worse yet, furries...I trust CDPR has the presence of mind to exclude such stuff.
 
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SpardaSon21

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#184
Jan 19, 2013
Is there an "All of the Above" box I can tick? If there's a cyberware option, I want the option to put it in my character if I feel like eating the surgery cost and humanity loss, or if I just really need a cyberlimb because my meat one got lost in a workplace accident involving a 12 ga. shotgun and some grenades. "Solo" is a dangerous occupation. Being able to visually and functionally customize the cyberwear would be nice as well, as the name of the game is Style over Substance.

I even want all the bodysculpt options because it isn't a debauched, decadent future without over-surgeried wanna-be's walking around and showing off how different they are, and that includes Exotics. It isn't a grimdark, dystopian future without those people (not just furries) walking around and daring us to do something about how different they look, since they pretty much already do that these days without much in the way of consequences.

I mean, does anyone actually doubt that some people will have gotten Exotic bodysculpt done by our 2077? :p
 
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rmtuggle

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#185
Jan 19, 2013
C. MacLeod said:
Well, it's called Cyberpunk for a reason. If they'd add every single piece of cyberware, bioware, pharmaceuticals, weapons, vehicles, other gear, from all the Cyberpunk 2013/2020 books, or at least a some future derivative of the aforementioned, I wouldn't be disappointed.

More is better.
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The hardware isn't always required. You don't need big chrome to get a job done. I've seen characters do amazing things with just skills. I've done awesome things in games in the past with nano-builds, hardwiring and bio-upgrades. Cyberpunk is a mentality. Cyberpunk is an attitude, a lifestyle. The chrome is nice, but not required. If you actually go and read any of the core books from CP2020, you will note that in most cases, a lost limb was replaced with a vat grown clone of the original. Those who did get cyber also usually got synthskin coverings as metal tends to bring unwanted attention.

As for what I would like to see? Basic limbs...either one or a pair. Basic Neural processor. Choices of synthskin or metal. Choice o cybertech or cloning limbs and organs. I like the idea suggested previously about the HUD. I would suggest, however, a basic HUD (health, ammo, weapon equipped..simple suff) to begin with for the sake of game play, and as you upgrade your optics, add options and so forth, your HUD becomes able to tell you more about the world around you. Modular limbs would be interesting...say a normal hand for day to day functioning, but a hand on a quick-change mount with special "features" for those special projects. Little things like that...
 
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neutronium1

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#186
Jan 19, 2013
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neutronium1

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#187
Jan 19, 2013
Is there an "All of the Above" box I can tick? If there's a cyberware option, I want the option to put it in my character if I feel like eating the surgery cost and humanity loss, or if I just really need a cyberlimb because my meat one got lost in a workplace accident involving a 12 ga. shotgun and some grenades. "Solo" is a dangerous occupation. Being able to visually and functionally customize the cyberwear would be nice as well, as the name of the game is Style over Substance.

I'll second that. I may not want to play as an extreme exotic but there are people who would do it today if they could. Not many mind you and I'd hope the same will be true in CP2077. But... I still want the NPC population to be as varied as possible and that means including as many of the extremes as possible as well as enough "ordinary folk" to make the extremes stand out. I mean... it's not extreme if everyone does it is it?

Anyhow that kind of sculpting take serious eb. Few enough could afford it, let alone want spend the money on it. But then again 57 years is a long time...
 
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ChaosWolf1982

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#188
Jan 19, 2013
rachebartmoss said:
The hardware isn't always required. You don't need big chrome to get a job done. I've seen characters do amazing things with just skills. I've done awesome things in games in the past with nano-builds, hardwiring and bio-upgrades. Cyberpunk is a mentality. Cyberpunk is an attitude, a lifestyle. The chrome is nice, but not required. If you actually go and read any of the core books from CP2020, you will note that in most cases, a lost limb was replaced with a vat grown clone of the original. Those who did get cyber also usually got synthskin coverings as metal tends to bring unwanted attention.
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Reminds me of a story I heard of once, where a guy managed to go a whole Cyberpunk campaign with zero cyberware. He relied heavily on armored clothing, some combat drugs to boost his physical stats, some damn clever tactics and strategy, and some ungodly luck for the rest - he'd heal up with drugs and rest, but not even so much as nanotech patches touched him for over twenty sessions. He eventually was captured by the campaign's villain, but not before getting his Crowning Moment of Awesome...

He got one arm chopped off in a firefight, used a swatch of duct-tape and the hot barrel of his by-then ammo-depleted machinegun to cauterize the wound, and proceeded to beat five corpsec goons unconscious using his own severed arm and kicking the villain in the face - this last item was accompanied by the line to his teammates, "Better take this bastard away before I decide to chop off my own leg so I can shove my foot up his ass."

He was overpowered in the end when the villain's backup arrived and wiped out his team, but right before the villain's thugs carted him off for an assuredly-lethal interrogation/torture session, he managed to lure the villain close to him, under the pretense of whispering a vital secret to the guy - then bit down on the guy's face, tearing off his upper lip, part of his cheek, and one of his ears, and then swallowed it whole, delivering the line "Better start your torture by pulling my teeth, asshole... because even if you kill me, you'll never forget me - every time you see a mirror, you're gonna remember the time I, a plain, 'weak', mortal man, fought his way through your thug army and chewed your goddamn face off."
 
blank_redge

blank_redge

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#189
Jan 19, 2013
SpardaSon21 said:
I mean, does anyone actually doubt that some people will have gotten Exotic bodysculpt done by our 2077? :p
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Already done.



The tail is just a clip-on, non-functional deal, but all the cosmetic surgery (ie bodysculpt) is real.
 
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username_3643957

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#190
Jan 19, 2013
Sardukhar said:
There's this cyber-arm grenade launcher"

View attachment 225

Aaand this pop-up gun, ( variants include Hvy SMG and Shotgun):

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And if not a cannon, how about this:

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All of these from CP2020 books, courtesy of http://datafortress2020.oliwy.net/ultrachrome/Cyberware.html
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This....would be awesome.
 
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rmtuggle

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#191
Jan 19, 2013
neutronium1 said:
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No fair, neutronium....you have to give us at least an hour to troll you when you make a post...its in the rule book...just go read it.


But give me five to make sure that bit is in there...;)
 
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ChaosWolf1982

Rookie
#192
Jan 19, 2013
blank_redge said:
The tail is just a clip-on, non-functional deal, but all the cosmetic surgery (ie bodysculpt) is real.
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Dead by suicide.
 
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SpardaSon21

Rookie
#193
Jan 19, 2013
blank_redge said:
Already done.

*snip*

The tail is just a clip-on, non-functional deal, but all the cosmetic surgery (ie bodysculpt) is real.
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I wish I could blank these images from my mind, but yes, you just reinforced my point. This will regrettably happen even more frequently in the future as technology improves and surgery becomes more commonplace with the only possible upside being that they actually look like the animal instead of a human with stuff implanted in their cheeks and tattoo patterns all over their body.
 
Sardukhar

Sardukhar

Moderator
#194
Jan 19, 2013
And fine if they do. Tolerance, kids. Jeez. Someone want to look like a doofus, that's fine. Maybe they don't even look like a doofus - maybe we're too old or too white or too male or too straight or too whatever.

Live a little.
 
Sydanyo

Sydanyo

Rookie
#195
Jan 19, 2013
rachebartmoss said:
The hardware isn't always required. You don't need big chrome to get a job done. I've seen characters do amazing things with just skills. I've done awesome things in games in the past with nano-builds, hardwiring and bio-upgrades. Cyberpunk is a mentality. Cyberpunk is an attitude, a lifestyle. The chrome is nice, but not required. If you actually go and read any of the core books from CP2020, you will note that in most cases, a lost limb was replaced with a vat grown clone of the original. Those who did get cyber also usually got synthskin coverings as metal tends to bring unwanted attention.

As for what I would like to see? Basic limbs...either one or a pair. Basic Neural processor. Choices of synthskin or metal. Choice o cybertech or cloning limbs and organs. I like the idea suggested previously about the HUD. I would suggest, however, a basic HUD (health, ammo, weapon equipped..simple suff) to begin with for the sake of game play, and as you upgrade your optics, add options and so forth, your HUD becomes able to tell you more about the world around you. Modular limbs would be interesting...say a normal hand for day to day functioning, but a hand on a quick-change mount with special "features" for those special projects. Little things like that...
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You mention cloned parts. I already said bioware. Nanosurgeons and other nanobots are also cyberware. I never said "chrome is required." Having more options can only be a good thing. Also, our greatest Cyberpunk 2020 campaign began with our Eurosolo team being completely and utterly cyber free. And yes, I have "actually gone and read" the books. Not just the core books, but a "few" more than that. If you like, you can of course point me to a page in one of the "core books from CP2020" and show me the "most instances" where it's made clear that instead of having cyberware, people take cloned limbs and cloned organs.

Now, since I actually have the books here, here's an excerpt for you, which should sum it up nicely. Cyberpunk 2020 rulebook page 5:


As a cyberpunk, you grab technology by the throat and hang on. You're not afraid to check out the newest in "enhancements", cybertech and bioengineering. You've got interface plugs in your wrists, weapons in your arms, lasers in your eyes, biochip programs in your brain. You become the car you drive, the gyro you fly, the guns you shoot. You dive headfirst into the Net, using your mind to hurtle at lightspeed all over a vast network of Data Fortresses and Artificial Intelligences. With cyborged fingers you pick computer locks; with enhanced senses, you see into the Future.

Cyberpunk is also an attitude. You wear the most "in" clothes, know the right people, and follow the right crowds. You plan your crimes in the most select clubs and bars; your enemies are Corporate armies, cyborg bike gangs, power-armored assassins and computer-wired Netheads. Your weapons are nerve, streetsmarts, bravado and the Minami 10 smartgun on your hip.

Are you ready now? Of course you are. You can't wait.

Now you're Cyberpunk.
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Also...

Since you're clearly a netrunner yourself, wouldn't having more cyberware make your life much more fun? Hacking all those nice micronets...
 
Sardukhar

Sardukhar

Moderator
#196
Jan 19, 2013
Most people take cloned when they can because IIRC, it's cheaper. 1000 eb for a body bank arm - 3,000 for a cyberlimb. Hand not included.

So that's why flesh is still more popular for accidents and the like. Cyber is pricier, more fashionable, etc.
 
Sydanyo

Sydanyo

Rookie
#197
Jan 19, 2013
Sardukhar said:
Most people take cloned when they can because IIRC, it's cheaper. 1000 eb for a body bank arm - 3,000 for a cyberlimb. Hand not included.

So that's why flesh is still more popular for accidents and the like. Cyber is pricier, more fashionable, etc.
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Not being able to buy a cyber limb or cyber organ because you don't have the eb isn't exactly the same as choosing not to, which is what was said earlier, and which is what I responded to, though.
 
Sardukhar

Sardukhar

Moderator
#198
Jan 19, 2013
Now, now. Don't you know poverty is a choice? Because it is. You choose to be poor. Choose rich!

Anyway, it does make the interesting point that in 2020, cyberware is fashionable in part because it's expensive.
 
wisdom000

wisdom000

Forum veteran
#199
Jan 19, 2013
blank_redge said:
Already done.



The tail is just a clip-on, non-functional deal, but all the cosmetic surgery (ie bodysculpt) is real.
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I hate you so much for making me look at that...

Yeah, anyone who does that to themselves is straight fucked in the head...

But then again I am still laughing at the guy earlier in the thread who tried to tell me furries weren't deviants by using a mythological cautionary tale against bestiality...
 
wisdom000

wisdom000

Forum veteran
#200
Jan 19, 2013
Sardukhar said:
Another note: Cpunk 2020 is actually fairly balanced, excluding Combat Sense and the crazy damage difference between martial arts and brawling - so even an FBC like the Dragoon can be killed with the right gear and skill-set. Dragoons aren't invulnerable - their strength lies in their versatility, electronic and physical awareness and crazy amount of firepower.

Dragoons vary in free will and awareness, depending on the mind inside the BodPod - the removable brain/spine "canister" that interfaces with the machine.
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Dragoons.... nothing makes a player wet themselves like when they hear that word...
 
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