What does DRM achieve, and does piracy equal lost sales?

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

There is no backdoor in your router, if i see some suspicious behavior i just block port, and good luck trying. There is no drm in windows 7 period.Also that article you posted is about usa internal affairs, why should we care about them?There is still something called international law that is abowe any usa internal law.

There were reports about backdroors in commercial network hardware already. Windows 7 has DRM, we just discussed the whole thing above. Widnows 7 didn't remove Vista's DRM, it only made it worse. Same goes for Windows 8. And, do you even monitor for suspicious behavior? Most people never do.

Why should you care is more to the point. Those who don't care about privacy, well, they don't care if NSA or some DRM lobby is gathering their info, or have access to their systems. The only thing to keep in mind there, that if those can have access, then whoever else will find the same path will have it. "Don't care" is not at all the same as selecting more secure system.

Another point - spying on the NSA scale is not internal affair by any means, it affects a major portion of the Internet. And no law will help you against malware. Security issues need to be addressed with technological means.

 

[Pangaea666]

In my case, I haven't downgraded from XP to for example 7 because XP is quite frankly better. Less problems with DRM, the system is faster with less lag, and XP has much less annoying "features" than 7. It's a shame MS are stopping the support, but this is their way to force users over to more DRMed systems, and not least to force people to buy newer and worse windows versions.

I'm keeping XP for the time being as the computer is outdated anyway, but when I upgrade I may need to switch to get DX11. Hopefully Linux will be able to handle games satisfactorily by then. Because right now I find it hard to make the switch since I have to go back into Windows for gaming purposes anyway.

A friend just tried to install Linux and dualboot with a fairly new system, and ran into all kinds of trouble booting up. In the end he had to ditch it. Hopefully I don't run into such problems when I upgrade.

 

[CostinRaz]

About privacy on the internet I have never believed there was any sort of privacy using a computer while connected to the internet, in fact I am reminded of a conversation I had with one of my uncles a while ago ( he's an engineer and one of the people who introduced me to computers and video games by giving one as a birthday present at the age of 7 ) and he told that governments have always monitored phoneand internet communications.

To me that "revelation" about NSA spying wasn't really much of a revelation to begin with.

In my case, I haven't downgraded from XP to for example 7 because XP is quite frankly better. Less problems with DRM, the system is faster with less lag, and XP has much less annoying "features" than 7.

Now THAT is a load of bilge. Benchmarks performance when Windows 7 came out revealed that both systems ran programs on pretty the same with regards to programs on them, but that was with programs unoptimized for 7.

After four years where developers have been using the advantages they were given with 7 we do see a performance gain on 7 vs XP.

Hell 8 is even better then 7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6192ie9MbU#t=11

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

Costin Moroianu: Recent events weren't a revelation of the general fact of massive surveillance, they just brought public attention to the problem. There were a number of newly published details though.

However you are wrong in oversimplificating the issue of privacy. There are open channels of communication and there are encrypted channels of communication. Internet has both, it's up to you and your contacts how to use them. Encryption can be weak / compromised, it can be strong.

Security problems however are not limited to encryption methods, and those who target someone can find other ways (for example gaining physical access to computers and installing keyloggers, or some sort of evil maid attack and etc.). They can target network hardware and so on. All that doesn't mean "there is no privacy on the Internet" generally speaking. It's a false and misleading claim. It means there are levels of privacy. From not caring at all (making your communications easy to access for anyone), and caring about it (making them hard to access). It's all about the level of difficulty, as is usual in security.

 

[volsung]

Minimizing or flat out denying the presence of DRM in Windows is precisely what MS wants. They don't need you to be aware of the control they may have of your computer.

As we know, Vista and 7 include severe restrictions of media playback at a level inaccessible to us. It can't be turn off. Monitor your system and notice some allegedly OS tasks consuming more CPU than necessary. There is obviously something more going on, but we cannot know because it is a closed system and MS will BS everything.

If you bother reading the links Gilrond posted you will reach an official MS blog where they try to explain DRM and in fact agree that it is a core element of Vista/7.

Remember TW2 1.0 with securom? Drm can slow things down for the simple reason that it needs system resources to run, like any other program. Is this one of many reasons for the ridiculous system requirements of Vista and newer?

Our personal information is valuable, don't give that away. Also remember corporations and governments do NOT want the best for us. The fact that this DRM doesn't bother you simply means it is successful.

 

[volsung]

On a separate post:

Pangaea, Linux has been capable of handling games for a long time, but companies have decided not to handle Linux

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

.Volsung.: Btw, Wine 1.7.2 really improved a lot.

 

[volsung]

.Volsung.: Btw, Wine 1.7.2 really improved a lot.

That's great! It still is Windows gaming on Linux, but there's not much else we can do with older games.

Newer games though, we can request native Linux versions

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

That's great! It still is Windows gaming on Linux, but there's not much else we can do with older games.

Newer games though, we can request native Linux versions />

Yeah (I'll comment in the news thread).

 

[CostinRaz]

Is this one of many reasons for the ridiculous system requirements of Vista and newer?

Despite those "ridiculous" system requirements ( though the only thing they ask besides what is required for XP is 1 GB of RAM ) Windows 7 and Windows 8 run just as well if not better then XP even on old systems.

 

[Sirnaq]

Despite those "ridiculous" system requirements ( though the only thing they ask besides what is required for XP is 1 GB of RAM ) Windows 7 and Windows 8 run just as well if not better then XP even on old systems.

If you have 1gb of ram 7 and 8 runs like trainwreck. They get better than xp if you have decent pc. Actually i wouldn't recommend 7 or 8 to anyone that is not interested in gaming and do not have decent enough rig.

Why should you care is more to the point. Those who don't care about privacy, well, they don't care if NSA or some DRM lobby is gathering their info, or have access to their systems. The only thing to keep in mind there, that if those can have access, then whoever else will find the same path will have it. "Don't care" is not at all the same as selecting more secure system.

I care about security, i said i don't care about united states government that is completely irrelevant to me. And i am wondering why do you chose less secure os if you care so much about security yourself?

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

Looks like W3C decided to push DRM sickness into HTML after all: http://boingboing.net/2013/10/02/w3c-green-lights-adding-drm-to.html

 

[Senteria]

Er, ex-pirate here. Basically I pirated when I did not have the money to buy it. That's the moral of the story. Now with games they are expensive but try buying a copy of some software or OS. You can put down from $300 up to $6000! I kid you not. Especially when in college and teachers demand you to learn a certain software, or give an assignment you'll never finish on time if you have to abide by computer room opening times. So don't get me wrong, I am against piracy, but sometimes prices are just insanely high and then some part of you goes: "Why would I pay hundreds of euro's for something I could actually get without much effort? I could spend that money on something better."

Anyway I dropped the anchor and set foot on land by joining GOG. It's actually cdpr that changed me after I had played TW1 and found these forums.
Affordable prices and customer love and nice value for your money and supporting the creators is what drives me.

Anyway, DRM achieves 0,0. It works the other way around. DRM is trying to prevent piracy but the pirates already crack their drm easily and the honest buyers, which are in a way the supporters and fans of the product, are the ones that get the nasty treatment. Not exactly fair, is it?

 

[Pangaea666]

Looks like W3C decided to push DRM sickness into HTML after all: http://boingboing.net/2013/10/02/w3c-green-lights-adding-drm-to.html

That is disgusting!

Also a little amusing, because I saw 2001 Space Odyssey earlier today. It's a strange and very unusual movie.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

New idiocy in the works: DRM in cars. Didn't pay the rent fee? Your car won't charge:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131108/09350825182/renault-introduces-drm-cars.shtml

 

[gregski]

On a positive note - interview with CD Projekt RED on DRM:

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/cd-projekt-red-waves-goodbye-to-drm/1100-4783/

 

[Parachrist]

New idiocy in the works: DRM in cars. Didn't pay the rent fee? You car won't charge:https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131108/09350825182/renault-introduces-drm-cars.shtml

Time travelling finally came true. Because it's look like today is april's fool day.

What a pathethic company Renault is...

 

[GuyNwah]

New idiocy in the works: DRM in cars. Didn't pay the rent fee? You car won't charge:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131108/09350825182/renault-introduces-drm-cars.shtml

Cars have come with meatbag RM for many years.

Seriously, the ability to disable a car remotely is a lot more disturbing than the ability to disable a counterfeit game.

 

[Pelargon]

New idiocy in the works: DRM in cars. Didn't pay the rent fee? You car won't charge:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131108/09350825182/renault-introduces-drm-cars.shtml

I admit, I know nothing about cars, but isn't Renault shooting itself in the foot? I can only imagine the losses in sales. Why would anyone buy this?

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

Seriously, the ability to disable a car remotely is a lot more disturbing than the ability to disable a counterfeit game.

This just clearly demonstrates that DRM is all about control. And it can get even worse, like in the world of Cyberpunk 2077... CDPR should put some DRM/overseer theme in there, as a quest plot /> I remember it was pretty well illustrated in Tex Murphy.

I admit, I know nothing about cars, but isn't Renault shooting itself in the foot? I can only imagine the losses in sales. Why would anyone buy this?

Ultimately such practices are brain dead, and customers hate them. But may be electric cars market is young and there isn't enough competition, so crooked manufacturers do evil stuff without worrying that their customers would leave.