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Railguns... exist in CP2020 and laser weapons. Yes. As support and small arms. What are you even talking about?
Rheinmetall EMG-85
Type : Railgun
Accuracy : +3
Availability : Rare
Concealability : Non concealable
Magazine : 5
Rate of fire : 1Cartridge : overshield slug (5D10+10 AP (armor divided by 4))
Reliability : standard
Range : 1500 meters
Cost : 11370 eb
Reference : Chrome 2
Length : 170 cm
Country : Germany
Requires a Body of 11, a linear frame or assisted armor to be used. One magazine with battery : 1200 eb.
Rheinmetall GSF-89
Type : Railgun
Accuracy : +1
Availability : Rare
Concealability : Non concealable
Magazine : 30
Rate of fire : 2/15Cartridge : overshield slug (5D10+10 AP (armor divided by 4))
Reliability : standard
Range : 800 meters
Cost : 15400 eb
Reference : Cyberpunk 2021
Length : 102 cm
Country : Germany
Arasaka Firelance
Type : Railgun
Accuracy : +4
Availability : Rare
Concealability : Non concealable
Magazine : 20
Rate of fire : 1Cartridge : overshield slug (5D10+10 AP (armor divided by 4))
Reliability : very reliable
Range : 1500 meters
Cost : 29500 eb
Reference : Datafortress 2020
Length : 116 cm
Country : Japan
This strange weapon is a state of art railgun. It features a removable ammo/power pack that requires 3 rounds to change.
Meta Armson Photon-2
Type : Laser rifle
Accuracy : +1
Availability : Rare
Concealability : Non concealable
Magazine : 20 at medium power
Rate of fire : 2/10Cartridge : battery (*)
Reliability : standard
Range : 500 meters
Cost : 131185 eb
Reference : Datafortress 2020
Length : 135 cm
Country : USA
Damages : 1D10-10D10 AP. A fairly new weapon, and still in the experimental stages is the Photon-2 heavy laser rifle from Meta Armson. This is one of the largest laser weapon to be seen dirt side currently in production. Since the weapon is produced by a neutral arms company it is probable that this weapon might be seen serving both sides of a battle.
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As I recall all but the first of those comes from supplements of somewhat dubious nature.
And the first requires an exoskeleton which has the ability to carry a heavy bulky power source, hardly man-portable.
If you wish to include any and everything ever published then this discussion is pointless.
So the possibility of advancement of an already combat valid technology 50 years in the future is somehow not possible because?
depends on what happened in the interveaning years. could of been abandoned if they couldn't improve the power supply or the size, stuff gets abandoned all the time. or just takes way longer to get right than expected.
Plausible. But the reverse is also just as plausible and in no way "unrealistic" or impossible.
One thing to also consider is that we will be in a different universe that might look like our real world universe and have some parallels, but, it's not our universe.
It's not our universe, and, it's the future in that universe.
In that sense, if space lasers happen, it's not going to be a game breaker for me.
Hell, just as there was a hint at the future world of CP 2077 mentioned where a character in the Witcher talked about a strange future she saw without horses where people traveled the sky in flying vessels, this venture into Cyberpunk could be a trilogy, and after the Cyberpunk trilogy we get a space alien fighter game trilogy ... and they all take place in the same universe.
Perhaps.
With that in consideration, and only really hinted at and pretty much just wild speculation, with one series actually allowing for Magic, some spooky weirdo physics that don't exist in THIS universe could verily exist in that universe.
CP 2077 is described after the 2:40 mark
It's not our universe, and, it's the future in that universe.
In that sense, if space lasers happen, it's not going to be a game breaker for me.
Hell, just as there was a hint at the future world of CP 2077 mentioned where a character in the Witcher talked about a strange future she saw without horses where people traveled the sky in flying vessels, this venture into Cyberpunk could be a trilogy, and after the Cyberpunk trilogy we get a space alien fighter game trilogy ... and they all take place in the same universe.
Perhaps.
With that in consideration, and only really hinted at and pretty much just wild speculation, with one series actually allowing for Magic, some spooky weirdo physics that don't exist in THIS universe could verily exist in that universe.
CP 2077 is described after the 2:40 mark
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Aaah yes, that one scene where Ciri mentions a world like Cyberpunk.. It's preety famous around here.. Well.. More like infamous.
Making mass drivers (AKA Gauss weapons) is pretty easy, the power needed to operate them is another matter entirely. Don't confuse one part of a technology with the whole thing.
Let's take something easy to show why energy storage technology hasn't gotten even close to improving as much as it would have to.
CHOO2
If they have power cells/batteries efficient and small enough for man-portable weapons why do they use CHOO2? Electric vehicles are far more efficient to "fuel", far more eco friendly, and if mass produced cheaper to maintain (and probably build).
A slant I see on this, is Corpo capitalism driving an artificial need. We see it in the modern world right now with big oil where renewables, and Nuclear technology are safer, cleaner, cheaper and more efficient.
Yet, for whatever reason, there's this artificial construct of need for oil, driven by all the companies with money in oil to keep oil as the major energy standard. It makes money, it's a guaranteed rarity which guarantees a progressively and predictable increase in resource scarcity leading to more profit.
It's more profitable for companies to sell inefficient technologies, plus marketing a social psychological dependence and attachment to inefficient technologies even though "better" exists. "Better" isn't corpo profitable, but, so long as a system is tied to the idea and all the infrastructure reliant on an inefficient solution, "better" can be sold and marketed as an artificial rarity under the pretense that it's extremely difficult and hard to make.
As such, sufficient portable power supply technology could plausibly exist, but, it's artificially restricted as a rareity through patent protections, and even laws brokered by corpos to make it illegal for any agency other than X, Y, or Z to have access to ti, and only then under specialized licensing contracts.
There's plausible ways to argue technological magic into existence. We just haven't seen any official statements that could adequately give explanation for such ... yet.
The answer is probably the same in that fictitious world as it is in ours: Corporation interests.
That or for the same reason why the creators of the original CP2020 PnP game never imagined the widespread use and accessibility of Mobile Phones, or Multimedia Devices as they are now since they've long evolved past their original purpose of simply being able to initiate or receive calls wirelessly.
Besides. There's a lot more to it than just the "power source". There are such things as Superconductivity (in which major breakthroughs happen even today) that would deliver the same power to a device from a smaller source with largely the same "power producing" technology.
But arguing pseudo-science specifics between fictitious universes is like arguing power levels between Superman and Goku. Fun.. In a way. But ultimately pointless.
My question was why do you find it so unbearable if the tech Is already there? And would only require some modifications which can easily be attributed to "advancement of technology through the passage of time".
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I could buy this, as I watch it in action daily. Corporations produce technology advanced enough to increase efficiency drastically...then make it so proprietary and expensive that no one can afford to use it. Especially, not the industries that could benefit from it the most. And/or, they want to continue milking existing markets until they've been squeezed dry.
It doesn't make logical sense. It's totally counter-productive. It's pure greed. That sounds like Cyberpunk already, from what little I know!
This one we might be able to explain away simply as the need for max power up front. I'd imagine most vehicles would be hybrids of a sort. They do use "batteries" for some functions, but if I slam my foot down on the gas pedal, that CHOO2 provides the upfront burst of torque I need.
i would disagree strongly, one must only look at tesla's "insane mode" that can out accelerate most any vehicle. it can hit 0-60 in 1.9 seconds
electric motors have vastly more torque than any combustion engine, not least because they can be right at the wheel, but also because it's jsut all there, no putting your foot down needed. the advantage of hybrid engines right now is range.
agreed, and if you think about it, 20 years ago the best battery on the market was AAA batteries, which near every phone used, now we have lithium ion and even better industrial ones that can both fully recharge in seconds and last a hecka-long time, some even can power whole cars
so to say that there couldn't be an effective power unit developed between 2020 and 2077 is actually kind of silly.
I know there that at the current tech level there are no viable energy solutions for a small-ish, working (armor-piercing) elecromagnetic weapon.. though there are some that can pierce softer materials like wood. But that's beside the point, because there clearly are in CP2020.
And if those are the kinds of videos you watch for your science "facts" well.. good luck with that.
lol, I saw a video where someone made a nerf dart shoot through 2inch plywood and break the sound barrier, if that's possible in 2019, then efficient high-powered electric portable batteries are definitely viable in 2077
Since the guy making these has a PhD and his channel consists primarily of debunking B.S. pseudo "science" ... I'll stick with my assertions.
Which is fine. But what Sild says below sums it up for me.
What some of these ideas are defying is our current understanding of power sources. In Cyberpunk 2013 / 2020 they predicted everyone would be using dataterms because their speculation was rooted in the understanding of that era. Breakthroughs happen all the time.
CDPR doesn't have to justify it in any detail. We have no way of knowing how power systems will work in a speculative 2077 and nothing suggested here is defying physics.
What some of these ideas are defying is our current understanding of power sources. In Cyberpunk 2013 / 2020 they predicted everyone would be using dataterms because their speculation was rooted in the understanding of that era. Breakthroughs happen all the time.
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