What weapons do you want to see in the game?

[Maelcom404]

Well, it may be made of light material, but it's still bulky and cop shifts are often long days. You going to take all that off everytime you do paperwork? Maybe they put it on just as they responded to the call.

True, depend in what section they are thought, in Serve & Protect there are different group for the cop, detectives, "street cop" (like the one we see everyday), some "anti-riot" one, I'd think the one in the trailer are Anti-riot one, since if there are a cyberpsycho going on a rampage in the streets, I doubt they would send that much "nowaday cops" once it'll be reported.
So the armor would be somewhat automatic once they're called for a riot or whatever.

Nah, C-SWAT aren't psychopaths, quite. They are often close. They get tested! They also aren't all cyborgs. That guy is C-SWAT, though, it's on his shoulder patches. Well, MAX-TAC, NCPD C-SWAT designation is, anyway.

Well, I wasn't litteraly talking about cyborg/cyberpsycho, but yes they're more "cyborgized" (implants/armor plate/cyber-arms/legs, cyberoptics,etc...) than the everyday cop.

 

[Suhiira]

True, depend in what section they are thought, in Serve & Protect there are different group for the cop, detectives, "street cop" (like the one we see everyday), some "anti-riot" one, I'd think the one in the trailer are Anti-riot one, since if there are a cyberpsycho going on a rampage in the streets, I doubt they would send that much "nowaday cops" once it'll be reported.
So the armor would be somewhat automatic once they're called for a riot or whatever.

I'll buy this.
If they're an anti-riot or "meduim response" unit. Think something half way between street cops and SWAT. These guys could basically sit around at the station or in vans at key locations around the city ready to respond to situations involving multiple gang members, armed robberies by groups, or the run-of-the mill cyber-psycho (i.e. not one fully borged out) that normal street cops just can't handle. These guys respond first to a call for back up since they're more numerous then SWAT (and less well armed/trained) but are more then a match for anything not requiring the specialized weapons/skills of a full SWAT or C-SWAT unit, since it's probable there are only a couple SWAT/C-SWAT units available and there is a LOT of crime.

 

[Nars]

You pick up gear, depending on situation and potential danger, right? Even now cops wear vests in more risky districts/parts of city. Isn't Night City (omitting corp zone) one big potential trouble zone? You would really go outside doing police stuff in regular uniform?

For me, guys from teaser are normal, regular police dudes.

 

[Sardukhar]

For me, guys from teaser are normal, regular police dudes.

They might be, but that gear is heavy and hot to wear all day in the California sun, especially when a lot of your duties as an NCPD officer still, in 2020, involve "writing" tickets, talking to people, doing paperwork, sitting in a hot car and waiting, talking to people some more and running down a lot of alleyways after some idiot.

That seems more like SWAT gear to me. if it's not SWAT, then what is SWAT?

Depends how much, if any, research or CP2020 familiarity CDPR has with 2020. In 2020, those are SWAT cops from the Protect and Serve sourcebook. They are trying to build 2020 in 2077, so, yeah, I'd go with SWAT.

Regular NCPD uniform is a mix of hard and light, as I recall. SP...I want to say 15?

Anyway, CDPR probably just thought, "Cool Future Cops!" and didn't really worry too much about it. Only..only they have Alt in the background, Dynalar Tech on an ad, a damn Militech Crusher SSG...so you never know.

 

[Suhiira]

Not only hot but relatively ridged. NOT fun to wear for long periods.

 

[Nars]

They might be, but that gear is heavy and hot to wear all day in the California sun, especially when a lot of your duties as an NCPD officer still, in 2020, involve "writing" tickets, talking to people, doing paperwork, sitting in a hot car and waiting, talking to people some more and running down a lot of alleyways after some idiot.

Not only hot but relatively ridged. NOT fun to wear for long periods.

Agreed. BUT. It's 2077, right? I believe that you can expect that they figure it out, how to regulate temperature and how to reduce weight in such "outfit". Tactical armor was around for quite some time.

 

[Sardukhar]

Agreed. BUT. It's 2077, right? I believe that you can expect that they figure it out, how to regulate temperature and how to reduce weight in such "outfit". Tactical armor was around for quite some time.

True enough, although given penetration by modern weapons vs protection by modern armours, they may still have weight/encumbrance problems. The eternal race, right? Offense vs Defense. Better weapons means harder/smarter armours...

Some kind of cooling would seem reasonable, or hyper-breatheable fabrics. And maybe those are regular cops by 2077 - things could easily have gotten more out of hand post-Corp War 4.

Cyberpunk also features memory plastics and reactive armours - maybe those are actually very lightweight indeed!

Man, we need info.

 

[Suhiira]

Facts?
Far more fun to speculate.

 

[kanonite]

I am wondering about Euro tech, speculating the place has remained untouched in the past 57 years and is still trying to pass as above the rest of the world's decay.

 

[Frankensteel]

On liquid/reactive armor, watch this about knife resistant clothing for Prison guards, very impressive test !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYIWfn2Jz2g

It seems your monokatana/tanto will be useless very soon.

IRL, The US Army is devlopping a new tactical concept: the TALOS armor (Tactical Assault Light Operator Suit), integrating an exoskeleton, an HUD/TAC COM /Smartgoogles and magnetic reactive armor (only on the drawing board for now), capable of protect a armored trooper of .50 Caliber round ! . (they hope so)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjKeX3_4RGw

This will be another drastic step in the new type of warfare: high tech warfare vs asymetric strategies from poorer opponents with lowtech/cheaper gear, the "evolved" trooper (read ACPA trooper from Max Metal/Shock Wave sourcebooks) can resist small arms and explosives as a walking dreadnoughts, ignoring damage from "low caliber" war weapons ( such as 5.56 mm/7,62 mm rounds) and only vulnerable to "heavy weapons" fire ( .50 caliber HMG mounted on 4x4 open mount for starter but an old RPG7 can be bad news as usual )

This stuff is expected for the next two years for early models. (Don't trust all the corporate advertising, maybe it's only a way to suck money for research, don't trust the man, gato)

We already lives in a cyberpunk world as you may suspect, reality is better than fiction.

:look:

 

[kanonite]

Well they did say we will see some new toys along with 2020 gear, so I wouldnt discount liquid armor as being one of the new additions.

 

[Frankensteel]

Well they did say we will see some new toys along with 2020 gear, so I wouldnt discount liquid armor as being one of the new additions.

In fact, yu kinda stuff like that in CP V3 edgerunner sourcebook, an reactive armor vest (SP 16) that negate AP effects completly and have better protection if you wear full body armor (up to SP 20) in medium soft armor package. Maybe it will be on the game but it's CP 77, not the CP V3, so only Maxmike knows.

 

[kanonite]

In fact, yu kinda stuff like that in CP V3 edgerunner sourcebook, an reactive armor vest (SP 16) that negate AP effects completly and have better protection if you wear full body armor (up to SP 20) in medium soft armor package. Maybe it will be on the game but it's CP 77, not the CP V3, so only Maxmike knows.

I can see Liquid/Reactive armor as either expensive and/or endgame/corporate gear.

 

[Suhiira]

Very nice video on body armor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5srr5ixfOAg

 

[kanonite]

Some Liquid armor info from wikipedia

Various corporate and government entities are researching the application of shear thickening fluids for use as body armor. Such a system could allow the wearer flexibility for a normal range of movement, yet provide rigidity to resist piercing by bullets, stabbing knife blows, and similar attacks. The principle is similar to that of mail armor, though body armor using a dilatant would be much lighter. The dilatant fluid would disperse the force of a sudden blow over a wider area of the user's body, reducing the blunt force trauma. However, against slow attacks which would allow flow to occur, such as a slow but forceful stab, the dilatant would not provide any additional protection.[16]

In one study, standard Kevlar fabric was compared to a composite armor of Kevlar and a proprietary shear-thickening fluid. The results showed that the Kevlar/fluid combination performed better than the pure-Kevlar material, despite having less than one-third the Kevlar thickness. [17]

Two examples of dilatant materials being used in personal protective equipment are d3o, and 'Active Protection System', manufactured by Dow Corning.[1]

 

[Suhiira]

The liquid stuff looks DAMN nice. I'd be very curious to find out what it's drawbacks are (EVERYTHING has a couple) to find out if this tech really is the "wave of the future" or yet another "passing fad" like Dragonskin body armor.

 

[kanonite]

The liquid stuff looks DAMN nice. I'd be very curious to find out what it's drawbacks are (EVERYTHING has a couple) to find out if this tech really is the "wave of the future" or yet another "passing fad" like Dragonskin body armor.

"However, against slow attacks which would allow flow to occur, such as a slow but forceful stab, the dilatant would not provide any additional protection."

 

[Suhiira]

"However, against slow attacks which would allow flow to occur, such as a slow but forceful stab, the dilatant would not provide any additional protection."

So?
It still dramatically improves protection vs bullets and most stabbing/thrusting attacks. Very few people are going to attack in slow motion in the middle of a fight.
Think Dune Force personal force fields.

 

[Sardukhar]

"However, against slow attacks which would allow flow to occur, such as a slow but forceful stab, the dilatant would not provide any additional protection."

OMG. It's...it's Dune!!

 

[kanonite]

So?
It still dramatically improves protection vs bullets and most stabbing/thrusting attacks. Very few people are going to attack in slow motion in the middle of a fight.
Think Dune Force personal force fields.

Then the only drawback I can think of liquid armor for the 2077 game is it being endgame and/or hard to attain.