NOOO. No no no. That's all wrong.
If CDPR stick to the source material *at all*, they won't be using a modernized version of the "fighter / wizard / rogue / healer" trope.
If CDPR stick to the source material *at all*, they won't be using a modernized version of the "fighter / wizard / rogue / healer" trope.
Ahhh..this is not an MMO.
Cyberpunk 2020 the base for 2077, uses few of those tropes. ANyone can be killed, relatively easily. There are no healers. There are no shields to speak of, the ones you saw provide cover but can be shot through with AP rounds. Daggers...are a fantasy thing.
There are no druids.
Google Cyberpunk 2020.
Well, we'll probably have tanks, but not the one he thought about (and probably, not on the player's side)
I met a lot of them in Night City!
Ok... they smelled like booze, but they sure told me they had magic power.
The video was just a random day in night city with a psychosquad team (kind of "swat" like to handle over-augmented people) shooting down a cyberpsycho (the over-augmented people that I was talking about) on a rampage, don't make any conclusion about the final game from it, it was just an advertisement from them to recruit people to work on the game, nothing more.
And yes, as Sard told you, Cyberpunk 2077 is a video game adaptation of the pen'n paper RPG "Cyberpunk 2020", you can google it (or just click HERE if you're lazy), there are no class as in the usual RPG (mostly fantasy oriented), so forget all of this.
Cyberpunk is a pure hardcore and realistic world, just like our, bullets goes throught walls, bullets kills you (and no crackhead calling himself a druid can save you from a headshot, if he say so he's either high or try to scam you).
You just choose a "role" (media, solo, netrunner, cop, media, etc...), which make your character more oriented toward some kind of job (like working for a webzine or TV if you're Media, a killer for hire or a bodyguard if you're a Solo, etc.... Just as examples), but in the end everyone is just an human, everyone can wear an armor, get a gun, cook a pizza or try to hack the pentagon, you'll be more talented to some things, depending what role you choosed, but you're not limited to it.
The tech is "realist", no energy shield or whatever, you'll have advanced kevlar and stuff, but don't get you hopes too high, even the most exprensive cyborg can be shot down by a bum with a shotgun and the right slugs (granted he didn't drink much and shoot it at the right place), gun-fight are really lethal, you'll try to avoid them most of the time, and when the shit will hit the fan, it'll be really scary (think about getting another set of pants in your backpack).
You don't "level" in the game, you only get better at your skills (the more you use them, the better you are at them), your health don't grow by the time, it's very realistic, one bullet at the wrong place and bye-bye, you're dead.
About mounts, you'll have cars, trucks, etc...
If you're lazy (or just poor, happens a lot in Cyberpunk), you can steal them, but if you then hear some kind of strange music in the background, it's not a strange skrillex remix, it's probably the police, not a big deal anyway (well it is if you're a responsible person, but who cares? it's the future!).
This is basicaly what Cyberpunk is about (with a few other things).
Come on!
I met a lot of them in Night City!
Ok... they smelled like booze, but they sure told me they had magic power.
From what we (barely) knows, it's a pure RPG, with probably an (still obscure and unconfirmed) multiplayer mode, but no MMO or whatever here.
The video was just a random day in night city with a psychosquad team (kind of "swat" like to handle over-augmented people) shooting down a cyberpsycho (the over-augmented people that I was talking about) on a rampage, don't make any conclusion about the final game from it, it was just an advertisement from them to recruit people to work on the game, nothing more.
And yes, as Sard told you, Cyberpunk 2077 is a video game adaptation of the pen'n paper RPG "Cyberpunk 2020", you can google it (or just click HERE if you're lazy), there are no class as in the usual RPG (mostly fantasy oriented), so forget all of this.
Cyberpunk is a pure hardcore and realistic world, just like our, bullets goes throught walls, bullets kills you (and no crackhead calling himself a druid can save you from a headshot, if he say so he's either high or try to scam you).
You just choose a "role" (media, solo, netrunner, cop, media, etc...), which make your character more oriented toward some kind of job (like working for a webzine or TV if you're Media, a killer for hire or a bodyguard if you're a Solo, etc.... Just as examples), but in the end everyone is just an human, everyone can wear an armor, get a gun, cook a pizza or try to hack the pentagon, you'll be more talented to some things, depending what role you choosed, but you're not limited to it.
The tech is "realist", no energy shield or whatever, you'll have advanced kevlar and stuff, but don't get you hopes too high, even the most exprensive cyborg can be shot down by a bum with a shotgun and the right slugs (granted he didn't drink much and shoot it at the right place), gun-fight are really lethal, you'll try to avoid them most of the time, and when the shit will hit the fan, it'll be really scary (think about getting another set of pants in your backpack).
You don't "level" in the game, you only get better at your skills (the more you use them, the better you are at them), your health don't grow by the time, it's very realistic, one bullet at the wrong place and bye-bye, you're dead.
About mounts, you'll have cars, trucks, etc...
If you're lazy (or just poor, happens a lot in Cyberpunk), you can steal them, but if you then hear some kind of strange music in the background, it's not a strange skrillex remix, it's probably the police, not a big deal anyway (well it is if you're a responsible person, but who cares? it's the future!).
This is basicaly what Cyberpunk is about (with a few other things).
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Sharpened mechanical jaws-teeth that each has built in workings of a little chainsaw, so I can gnaw people to death.
Daggers are still used today. A lot of combat/fighting knives are ultimatly a kind of, or compleatly a, Dagger.
What makes a dagger a dagger is usually the shape, and partly the purpouse, of the thing. They are sort of a mini sword basicly. Double edged, pretty sharply tapers down to a point, built more for stabbing then slashing/cutting like knives are (but can of course still be used for both slashing and cutting), and usually longer then most/normal knives. And they are built for combat, rather then the multi-purpouse role that most knives tend to have.
The British "Fairbairn–Sykes fighting knife", still in use today, is a dagger, and it was copied a fair bit by other countries. There is also a new, redesigned, American variation called the "Applegate–Fairbairn fighting knife". Amongst several other somewhat modern types of Daggers.
Most militaries tend to utilize some kind of tactical/multi-purpouse knife these days though, so as such the dagger is in much less use, but still exist.
But... I do not see any kind of problem with a dagger design for weaponry being in Cyberpunk. If anything I think it would fit very well in the Cyberpunk setting. Especially for certain types of characters in the game, and I am thinking of the combat oriented types of characters here. So as such would be more likely to cary a dagger instead of a knife. Because as mentioned befor, most knives these days are multipurpous kinds of weapons, where as the Daggers designed for combat... they have no other purpouse (even if you could use them for other things of course).
I would even go so far as to maybe special/house-rule knives and daggers in modern/sci-fi rpgs, first of by adding daggers to the game in the first place, but more importantly to reflect this fact that daggers where made for combat where most knives are not. A dagger, in my mind, would be able to do a bit more damage then a normal knife, I might even make it more resistent then a knife (break less often)... and of course it would be more expensive then a knife. Amongst other things.
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There are plenty bladed melee weapon in Cyberpunk anyway, knives, katana, dagger, whatever you want (and whatever they'll want to put in the game in fact), for a few bucks you can change the steel blade for a monoblade (mono-molecular one, you even can add leds so it glows like a light-saber, just for the swag of it), which cuts throught almost anything, whatever weapon you're using, so it's not really a big deal IMO, you can slash throught hard armor with a knife if your blade is worth it.
I've gotta disagree on the "daggers are fantasy" as well. I've seen plenty of Modern and "cyberpunk" warriors use daggers as parts of their arsenals. Personally, good old fashioned steel is better than any "gimmicked out" blade. Sure, a mono-blade might do a bit more damage, but it's way too fragile, and the more gimmicks you add to the weapon, the more that can go wrong. Besides, a really well designed dagger is just badass. This weapon below, is certainly not a "fantasy" weapon:
I think he meant it more like "This will not be called a Dagged but a Monoknive", which in the end, is somewhat the same thing.I've gotta disagree on the "daggers are fantasy" as well. I've seen plenty of Modern and "cyberpunk" warriors use daggers as parts of their arsenals. Personally, good old fashioned steel is better than any "gimmicked out" blade. Sure, a mono-blade might do a bit more damage, but it's way too fragile, and the more gimmicks you add to the weapon, the more that can go wrong. Besides, a really well designed dagger is just badass. This weapon below, is certainly not a "fantasy" weapon:
Style over substance.
Just like "Damn, where is my Cyberarm?" is cooler than "Damn, I lost my battery-working-prosthetic-arm".
I'd rather have the carbon steel "dagger" than the "mono-knife", thank you very much.
I'd rather have a Sternmeyer M-95A. You know, an actual weapon. That weapon you linked does, in fact, look a lot like a fantasy weapon. This, less so:
Regardless, good luck finding a "dagger" in the Cyberpunk book. Modern times, we call them knives or blades. Cyberpunk, we call them mono-something, spring-something or chain-something. Even the classic bows have been upgraded.
A "dagger" is a word that belongs to the past, not the Dark Future. Kind of like, "musket" or " hose".
Cyberpunk 2020 is set apart from other games by, among other things, it's Style. Sleek, chrome, dangerous, modern-plus. And punk.
So I'm not in a hurry to see daggers, cutlasses, wagons or steam engines in game. And dollars to doughnuts, we won't see a dagger on the equipment list.
Nope. The dagger I linked to is a real military weapon. As for Cyberpunk daggers and knives. They'e not all mono-blades, or "Chain blade" etc. Both CP 2020 and CP 203X list actual steel knives among the weapons available, and that covers everything from a single-edged hunting knife to a double-edged dagger or bayonet, with prices ranging anywhere from 1 EB to over 20 EB. And, FYI, just like leather, good old-fashioned steel never goes out of style.I'd rather have a Sternmeyer M-95A. You know, an actual weapon. That weapon you linked does, in fact, look a lot like a fantasy weapon. This, less so:
Regardless, good luck finding a "dagger" in the Cyberpunk book. Modern times, we call them knives or blades. Cyberpunk, we call them mono-something, spring-something or chain-something. Even the classic bows have been upgraded.
A "dagger" is a word that belongs to the past, not the Dark Future. Kind of like, "musket" or " hose".
Cyberpunk 2020 is set apart from other games by, among other things, it's Style. Sleek, chrome, dangerous, modern-plus. And punk.
So I'm not in a hurry to see daggers, cutlasses, wagons or steam engines in game. And dollars to doughnuts, we won't see a dagger on the equipment list.
Actually, there is somewhat of a dagger in the 2020's weapon list (Source, page 3.9)
Knife 1d6*
Ba Zhan Shuang (dagger) 1d6*
Machete 2D6*
Combat Knife 2D6*
Bayonet/Survival Knife 1d6*
against, let's say, Monoblade (since it's the subject here)
Kendachi MonoNaginata 4d6#
Kendachi MonoKatana 4d6#
Kendachi Powersword 4d6#
Kendachi Mono-Two 2d6# (short katana) /4d6# (classic katana)
Armor Damage:
* Blade AP 1/2 soft armor, full penetrating damage
# Monoblade AP 1/3 soft armor, 2/3 hard armor, full penetrating damage
Have fun debating over bringin a knife in a gun fight.
I'll stick to my boosted reflexes/perception and my cute knife with AP rounds.
On this sweet note, I'm out before the storm.
Knife 1d6*
Ba Zhan Shuang (dagger) 1d6*
Machete 2D6*
Combat Knife 2D6*
Bayonet/Survival Knife 1d6*
against, let's say, Monoblade (since it's the subject here)
Kendachi MonoNaginata 4d6#
Kendachi MonoKatana 4d6#
Kendachi Powersword 4d6#
Kendachi Mono-Two 2d6# (short katana) /4d6# (classic katana)
Armor Damage:
* Blade AP 1/2 soft armor, full penetrating damage
# Monoblade AP 1/3 soft armor, 2/3 hard armor, full penetrating damage
Have fun debating over bringin a knife in a gun fight.
I'll stick to my boosted reflexes/perception and my cute knife with AP rounds.
On this sweet note, I'm out before the storm.
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Actually, there is somewhat of a dagger in the 2020's weapon list (Source, page 3.9)
Knife 1d6*
Ba Zhan Shuang (dagger) 1d6*
Machete 2D6*
Combat Knife 2D6*
Bayonet/Survival Knife 1d6*
against, let's say, Monoblade (since it's the subject here)
Kendachi MonoNaginata 4d6#
Kendachi MonoKatana 4d6#
Kendachi Powersword 4d6#
Kendachi Mono-Two 2d6# (short katana) /4d6# (classic katana)
Armor Damage:
* Blade AP 1/2 soft armor, full penetrating damage
# Monoblade AP 1/3 soft armor, 2/3 hard armor, full penetrating damage
Have fun debating over bringin a knife in a gun fight.
I'll stick to my boosted reflexes/perception and my cute knife with AP rounds.
On this sweet note, I'm out before the storm.
You forgot a couple of steel blades there from that list:
Wakizashi: 2D6 +3• (Hard SP/2)
Katana: 3D6* (Hard SP/2)
OK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_KJ1R2PCMM
Volume warning on ^ this first video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGzeyO3pGzw
Yup but I just put those to compare short steeled blades against monoblades (which goes through hard armor when steel doesn't)
Monoknives should be around 2D6 with hard armor penetration if I'm correct
Anyway, it's not a competition between steel or monoblades, both are present.
Monoblades are pretty rare and really expensives, you won't find them at your local store, and about steel blades they're pretty comon since it's the easier way to produce blades.
Now, blade, monoknives or a bloody-chainsaw-katana
I don't really mind, all of them should be present if you ask me, I'm not too much a knive guy myself unless I have to, but even there I just take what's here, my only concern most of the time is "is it enought to kill this?", if yes, then it's all good.
But blades aren't much usefull anyway, unless you want to guts some casual street punks or homeless, most people with a few bucks in their pockets have under-skin armor plates, etc... it's not really expensive and avoid yourself being stabbed in vital body-parts (head/chest) and bleeded out like a retard.
So a monokatana, a dagger or a machete, different style, but it's somewhat the same if you ask me, it won't help you against a bullet.
In 2020, most people are closer to this:
than this:
So I figure they'll take whatever they find on their way to protect themselves, mostly in a dangerous world as this one.
Monoblade or Steel blade, both are present and have their pro' and con'.
Monoblades are IMO better against any hard armor since you still can do some decent damages with a short blade, when it comes to steel, you have to use a long blade (katana/sword) in order to cut throught it, and I doubt they'll let you come around with a katana or something, monoblades can break on pary or fail, but steel breaks too, so in the end they're just a bunch of knives if you ask me, it's helpfull but not vital in a world where there are guns everywhere for almost the same price as a blade.
Monoknives should be around 2D6 with hard armor penetration if I'm correct
Anyway, it's not a competition between steel or monoblades, both are present.
Monoblades are pretty rare and really expensives, you won't find them at your local store, and about steel blades they're pretty comon since it's the easier way to produce blades.
Now, blade, monoknives or a bloody-chainsaw-katana
But blades aren't much usefull anyway, unless you want to guts some casual street punks or homeless, most people with a few bucks in their pockets have under-skin armor plates, etc... it's not really expensive and avoid yourself being stabbed in vital body-parts (head/chest) and bleeded out like a retard.
So a monokatana, a dagger or a machete, different style, but it's somewhat the same if you ask me, it won't help you against a bullet.
In 2020, most people are closer to this:
Monoblade or Steel blade, both are present and have their pro' and con'.
Monoblades are IMO better against any hard armor since you still can do some decent damages with a short blade, when it comes to steel, you have to use a long blade (katana/sword) in order to cut throught it, and I doubt they'll let you come around with a katana or something, monoblades can break on pary or fail, but steel breaks too, so in the end they're just a bunch of knives if you ask me, it's helpfull but not vital in a world where there are guns everywhere for almost the same price as a blade.
No daggers in the Cyberpunk book. The core book - thus the singular reference. Beyond the core book, better than steel is available.
Orbital Crystal blades are 1/2 vs hard and soft armours, don't break on a parry or fumble. Saburo rewards his people with these.
Steel is obsolete. It is FOR THE PAST. No weapon is irreplaceable - it just hasn't been improved on yet.
Also, use a gun.
A big gun.
Full Conversion Borgs think your pretty swords and knives are amusing.
Orbital Crystal blades are 1/2 vs hard and soft armours, don't break on a parry or fumble. Saburo rewards his people with these.
Steel is obsolete. It is FOR THE PAST. No weapon is irreplaceable - it just hasn't been improved on yet.
Also, use a gun.
A big gun.
Full Conversion Borgs think your pretty swords and knives are amusing.
Add hard chest plates and boosted reflexes, you'll maybe stab me in the chest but I'll still be able to empty my clip in your face without much damages (and not talking about countering your strike, using martial art and stabing yourself with your own knife, thanks to my kung-fu chipset).
Sure, with the right tool, and in an ambush, you'll get me, but if you miss, you're dead.
I rather shot one bullet and be sure I won't have to call the trauma team afterward.
Cyberpunk is a cruel world :/
Tho knives are usefull, but I don't rely on them for my life in cyberpunk, any mistakes has really worst consequences than with a gun.