What will be Cyberpunk's Gwent?

[Dr. LaBrat]

What will be Cyberpunk's Gwent?

So gwent is pretty popular mini game in the witcher series and it makes sense that CDPR will also include a mini game in Cyberpunk 2077.

But what should it look like? Would you like it to be an updated version of gwent that maybe just isn't played with real cards anymore but on a ingame smartphone-like device? do you want it to be something completly original (say for example cyber-mahjong; cyber-poker or something like that)?

i don't have any amazing ideas right now but i would love to hear your suggestions

 

[Garrison72]

Stabbing people in the face minigame.

 

[chriswebb2020.736]

NOt a bad question really.
Personally, I would like to see some sort of 'Roller-Ball' style simulated game.

 

[Claylex]

Personally mini-game wise, I'd love for me to go to the arcades and play all kinds of games, from pinball machines, shooters, heck I'd love to play a dance-dance revolution kinda game.

 

[chriswebb2020.736]

Personally mini-game wise, I'd love for me to go to the arcades and play all kinds of games, from pinball machines, shooters, heck I'd love to play a dance-dance revolution kinda game.

Arcades will be pretty dated. In an age where just about everyone and everything is connected to the net they become pretty much redundant. Games in bars and casino's make sense and that's about it.

As for the dance dance.comment...

 

[kanonite]

Getting to partake in a VR or meatspace blood sport would be great.

And I remember one of the books mentioning combat dancing.

 

[Sardukhar]

Feature Creep.

Just saying.

 

[cyberpunkforever]

hacking other people's minds maybe, the one who hacks the largest amount of minds in the city, wins

 

[Garrison72]

Feature Creep.

Just saying.

Oh come on, Gwent is universally popular. A couple minigames in '77 wont amount to feature creep.

 

[chriswebb2020.736]

Getting to partake in a VR or meatspace blood sport would be great.

And I remember one of the books mentioning combat dancing.

Pretty much any group form of entertainment from the real world gets a combat version in 2020. The most common sport being American Football. The 2020 version has smaller teams, kitted out in combat armour adorned with various spikes and implements, bristling with quick-change cyberware - though full borgs and linear frames are banned. Fatalities are a must for ratings.

Now, I finally remembered the name of a film I was thinking about:

This would be cool, especially if you added cyberware.

 

[Poet_and_Gentleman.598]

Feature Creep.

Just saying.

Eh. You mention this only now?

The bigger and more outrageous the claim, the easier the sale I guess?

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Pretty much any group form of entertainment from the real world gets a combat version in 2020. The most common sport being American Football. The 2020 version has smaller teams, kitted out in combat armour adorned with various spikes and implements, bristling with quick-change cyberware - though full borgs and linear frames are banned. Fatalities are a must for ratings.

Now, I finally remembered the name of a film I was thinking about:

This would be cool, especially if you added cyberware.

That would be pretty awesome to partake in.

I very much liked Unreal Tournament 2003's campaign, because it felt like you were managing a sports team.

Perhaps you could have leagues, and betting and such? perhaps even custom leagues with community-set custom rules?
Would be awesome for MP.

It would give more jobs for the journos as well.

 

[Sardukhar]

Cyberpunk 2077 has a lot on it's plate alredy - minigames were never a feature of the setting, particularly. So much else to do.

So, yeah, feature creep. I could have mentioned it before, but now is as good a time as any. Lots of crazy ideas come and go, but this one might suck up real resources,as actual Gwent did. Rather not. Enough to do.

 

[chriswebb2020.736]

Cyberpunk 2077 has a lot on it's plate alredy - minigames were never a feature of the setting, particularly. So much else to do.

So, yeah, feature creep. I could have mentioned it before, but now is as good a time as any. Lots of crazy ideas come and go, but this one might suck up real resources,as actual Gwent did. Rather not. Enough to do.

It was pen and paper, of course there were no mini games, it was just part of THE game.
I for one am interested in something to do in the game that can increase immersion and expand on the culture. If it's just thrown in there or it doesn't fit then I'd rather it not feature.

 

[Calistarius]

A lot of the Final Fantasy games included some kind of minigame, and most of them where actually quite fun to, and I did spend a lot of time playing them as well. I think FFX was the only one that had a "minigame" that was more then just that (although, there might have been other minigames in it that I am forgetting due to the one I am about to mention), Blitzball... that thing compleatly consumed me when I played FFX. Sometimes it felt like I played Blitzball as much as the rest of the game, there where definatly days where it was the only thing I did play, when I played FFX back in the day. XD It is actually one of the many thing I am looking forward to when I finally get a hold of FFX again (I intended to play it some weeks ago, but could not find my copy of it, it's gone, which is why I have played FFXII instead since then... so now I am waiting on the 25th for me to get money, and so I can buy it again, and then wait for a few more days befor I finally have it in my hands again... at which point I will probably sink well over 100 hours into that game again).

So as such, I am not against the idea of minigames in CP2077. But I dont feel that it has to have them, it would be nice if there was one or some though.

Everything depends on what kind of world they are making for the game really. If its open world, roam around as you please, like for example GTA/FF/Fallout (I do not recall with the old games, or 3... but NV had a few of them, including one called "Caravan")/etc... then I do feel that having a, or a few, minigames here and there might be more called for... Compared to if its more of a compact type of world experience (like for example DXHR or other games where you are not neccesarily able to come back to previous areas), where I would feel that it might not be all that relevant to have minigames.

Note that I do not count things like lockpicking in for example Elder scrolls/Fallout 3 & NV, or computer/door hacking in DXHR/Fallout 3 & NV/Mass Effect, or other temporary things you did that was/is somehow connected to the story or sidequests and/or equipment and resource gathering (like the one in ME), as minigames in this sence. When I am talking about minigames here I am talking about proper ones that are, or could be, actual "games" all by them selves.

 

[Decatonkeil]

Arcades will be pretty dated. In an age where just about everyone and everything is connected to the net they become pretty much redundant. Games in bars and casino's make sense and that's about it.

As for the dance dance.comment...

Yes, arcades would be dated because they already are. That said: Neuromancer's video gallery... Megazone's Hard on!!! XD Cyberpunk 2077 set out to be (for the looks of it) an updated, relevant, matured version of Cyberpunk. Still, I would like for it to have some of those old school cyberpunk "naive" elements. I would like Cyberpunk 2077 to be a world where Arcades are a thing, like they were in cyberpunk works like those. Sure, home consoles and personal computers have pretty much rendered arcades pointless, extinct. But in a cyberpunk world, well... everything has to be cyber and punk, and arcades bring both things: real life arcades were pretty shady places where pretty shady things happened. They're like billiards in other noir stories, but here they're the meeting grounds of a different breed of criminals, cybercriminals who were born digital natives... cybernatives if you will, the cyberpunks of Bruce Bethke.

I'd really be thrilled to see arcades with playable minigames, and I don't think they would suck as many resources as Sard fears: in a cyberpunk world where the net, the matrix, the cyberspace... is so present and is portrayed somewhat in the light of those old cyberpunk works... videogames and the very cyberspace would be kinda one and the same.

Also, Sard, was there ever a PnP game with minigames? I don't see why they would necessarily hurt a videogame.

 

[chriswebb2020.736]

Yes, arcades would be dated because they already are. That said: Neuromancer's video gallery... Megazone's Hard on!!! XD Cyberpunk 2077 set out to be (for the looks of it) an updated, relevant, matured version of Cyberpunk. Still, I would like for it to have some of those old school cyberpunk "naive" elements. I would like Cyberpunk 2077 to be a world where Arcades are a thing, like they were in cyberpunk works like those. Sure, home consoles and personal computers have pretty much rendered arcades pointless, extinct. But in a cyberpunk world, well... everything has to be cyber and punk, and arcades bring both things: real life arcades were pretty shady places where pretty shady things happened. They're like billiards in other noir stories, but here they're the meeting grounds of a different breed of criminals, cybercriminals who were born digital natives... cybernatives if you will, the cyberpunks of Bruce Bethke.

I'd really be thrilled to see arcades with playable minigames, and I don't think they would suck as many resources as Sard fears: in a cyberpunk world where the net, the matrix, the cyberspace... is so present and is portrayed somewhat in the light of those old cyberpunk works... videogames and the very cyberspace would be kinda one and the same.

Also, Sard, was there ever a PnP game with minigames? I don't see why they would necessarily hurt a videogame.

You just gave me an idea; Virtual Arcades! Instead of gaming over the net like we do today, perhaps in 2077 you would visit a gaming board-room where games are hosted and play that way!

There is still room for other 'real-world' activities, such as bare-knuckle fighting or whatever.

 

[Calistarius]

When it comes to Arcade games... yes... they are dated really... but that does not mean that they would not be around anymore. There are still places around which has them, and there are probably still places around which that is the only thing, or one of the main things, that they have. You just need to put such a place up in an area where there tends to live a lot of people... you know... densely populated city areas where there is enough people around for such a establishment to be able to survive. Oh wait... is'nt that pretty much close to every single city in the Cyberpunk RPG?

I mean even today, right now there is a exibition going on in a town in Sweden called "Game Masters - The Exhibition", and it has been here since late May this year and will end at the end of this month. The whole "vintage gaming" sceen is actually pretty big... I mean sure, it is probably mostly amongst a certain subset of people... but it is big enough to support an industry around all these old games. Two or three of the people I play PnP RPG's and board games with are going to go to that next weekend.

I mean heck, just last night I was playing board games with parts of my current RPG group, and one other new person (who might actually end up being part of our PnP RPG'ing maybe)... we where playing a cardgame called "Boss Monster - The Dungeon Building Card Game". First of, the box of that game lookes exacly like an old NES game box, you know those black NES game boxes, Secondly, that card game is filled with mostly 8-bit pixle art, but also a massive amount of easter eggs and references to oldschool gaming in various ways. And thirdly, and probably the most importent one to this topic of arcade games... two of the people I was playing with (my current GM, and "the new guy"), both play, and know a lot, about old games. These are two guys who are almost 15 years younger then me... and they knew more about most of the references in the cardgame, and know more about the whole "oldschool gaming" stuff then I do... and I actually grew up in the era of these games! XD One of them was talking about playing games on his Atari that he had... I never had an Atari!

So as much as both Arcade games, and probably most of the NES/SNES, and even the following PS1 up to the new PS4 stuff, might compleatly be outdated by 2077... and the major destruction of large parts of the world due to various reasons (so a lot of all that old "vintage gaming" stuff might be gone)... imagin the hunger people of 2077 might have for "old games" in general, especially in certain subsets of the population... a subset of people where many of us, here on this forum, are most likely a part of in one way or another.

 

[Sardukhar]

Nope. nope, nope. I remain unconvinced.

Firstly, can anyone tell me what game is popular in Cyberpunk? Urban Brawl? COmbat Bikes? Caaaards.....where? Poker? Dice? Virtual dice?

Just doesn't fit thematically and it doesn't show in the PnP.

Sure, you could come up with something fun and sort-of fitting. But why? THe game has so much else to do that's fun. Games -like- Urban Brawl or Combat Bikes or, you know, the actual game itself.

Also - isn't Gwent fun? It is, it is.


Would have preferred a more solid Third Act or less tacked-on underwater bits or a richer experience with Cerys or...welll, a lot of things actually. A lot of things that make the main game of pretending to be Geralt more rich, more deep and more satisfying.

Instead of a game-in-a-game that appeals to Sard.

If you -need- some kind of minigame, do a "VR" subgame where you play a regular 20th Century person caught up in a mystery oir something. Or a VR dungeoncrawler.

 

[chriswebb2020.736]

Nope. nope, nope. I remain unconvinced.

Firstly, can anyone tell me what game is popular in Cyberpunk? Urban Brawl? COmbat Bikes? Caaaards.....where? Poker? Dice? Virtual dice?

Just doesn't fit thematically and it doesn't show in the PnP.

Sure, you could come up with something fun and sort-of fitting. But why? THe game has so much else to do that's fun. Games -like- Urban Brawl or Combat Bikes or, you know, the actual game itself.

Also - isn't Gwent fun? It is, it is.


Would have preferred a more solid Third Act or less tacked-on underwater bits or a richer experience with Cerys or...welll, a lot of things actually. A lot of things that make the main game of pretending to be Geralt more rich, more deep and more satisfying.

Instead of a game-in-a-game that appeals to Sard.

If you -need- some kind of minigame, do a "VR" subgame where you play a regular 20th Century person caught up in a mystery oir something. Or a VR dungeoncrawler.

Home of the Brave has a couple of pages just on popular sports. As do most of the location based source books. The main book details that Braindance is a popular form of entertainment.You're being unusually closed minded on this matter sard...

 

[Decatonkeil]

Nope. nope, nope. I remain unconvinced.

Firstly, can anyone tell me what game is popular in Cyberpunk? Urban Brawl? COmbat Bikes? Caaaards.....where? Poker? Dice? Virtual dice?

Just doesn't fit thematically and it doesn't show in the PnP.

Sure, you could come up with something fun and sort-of fitting. But why? THe game has so much else to do that's fun. Games -like- Urban Brawl or Combat Bikes or, you know, the actual game itself.

Also - isn't Gwent fun? It is, it is.


Would have preferred a more solid Third Act or less tacked-on underwater bits or a richer experience with Cerys or...welll, a lot of things actually. A lot of things that make the main game of pretending to be Geralt more rich, more deep and more satisfying.

Instead of a game-in-a-game that appeals to Sard.

If you -need- some kind of minigame, do a "VR" subgame where you play a regular 20th Century person caught up in a mystery oir something. Or a VR dungeoncrawler.

Whatever Segatari makes! XD. See, if we limit minigames to urban brawl and combat bikes... those would be out for people who are playing pacifist or non-combat oriented characters. How do arcades not fit thematically in Cyberpunk? And I mean physically existing arcades... and with a bit of cheese, with VR, and holographic displays but on wood cabins with joysticks, bike bodies to ride, especially ones looking like the Garland or Bahamut from Megazone... and these arcade games could be somehow connected to cyberspace, which could make them jacking-in points or susceptible to hacking...