PandaLin;n8384730 said:
Shouldn't we give it more time? I think it's fine if the meta changes. We might also see more cards that counter them. I play control and both gold and ambush lost against me. Mardoeme is still a powerful card but I don't see anyone use it. I don't care how much you power up your ambush card. One Mardoeme and you lost your buff. Also, Manticore Venom does 4 dmg. Most Henselt players are greedy. They want 3 Tower and if they get that...BAM Manticore. And the weather, weather are still strong. Weather + Lacerate is such a huge power swing.
Why giving it more time when it's clear that there is a problem?
Also, it's not about can or cannot beat that. Let's not dwell into that.
But as many did before, you're bringing and irrelevant point: "Have a deck that just counters Henslet but loses to the rest".
Many NR players, at least where I play, are smart enough not to position the Towers all together. There's also Margarita's spawn that makes the separation.
How many Mardroeme shall we carry in the deck 3? 10? Before using them, we need to demote golds too. Can I remind to that you can first turn the towers gold and keep buffing them after that? There are also 5 ways to res the Towers and four to promote them. One res promotes it instantly.
Also, Ambush loses against Henselt any day. It also loses against Consume, another Scoia deck and often against Skellige as well. Not a top deck by any means.
thendlessPT;n8384790 said:
Firstly, as a new player, as
tropit9 figured out, it just puzzles me that there isn't a consistent rule on how colour changes works once the card hits the graveyard.
Secondly, the inherent characteristics of golden cards make them almost invulnerable, to both targeted and board effects. That's why they have a reduced interactivity, including the inability to be resurrected .
I don't see why promote should be a exception as it stands.
I could make a case that this is NR special. However, while you have a point, I thin kthe mechanics isn't the problem here. The crazy buffing is. Even after the promote.
SkippyHole;n8384920 said:
Considering it's a bronze card, one strength gain on towers probably wouldn't be too bad. I don't think the deck in general is too problematic though, I usually find it pretty easy to beat. Henselt was always going to be really good when you change it so no card can interact with gold cards, I'm still not entirely sure what CDPR was thinking. I wouldn't like many nerfs to it though, I'd rather see buffs to other archetypes making them more equal - that's the problem with CDPR balancing, people bitch on here about one deck and then it gets nerfed to make everything more boring rather than just adding more counters which would probably be a better answer, considering its beta.
I wouldn't like nerfs (in a pure sense of this word) at all. Some tweaks, absolutely. There are at least two ways to deal with it without touching the promote system:
a. Keep it as it is but make it +1 buff
b. Change it so that after the promotion the buffing stops. Like if 7 cards were promoted and three towers are among them, only 4 provide buff for the towers - meaning each goes gold for a total 4(base)+2(NR passive)+8(ability). That's it, it doesn't get a buff from itself or other towers. If you managed to buff the tower before and then promote, good for you.
However, I don't like the second notion. One strength per promote should do the trick, imo. Or at least it's worth a try.
Same goes for making Arachas 1 point strong. Don't want to change the mechanics or anything drastic. But the whole combination of consume provides an insane amount of value. Which I think should be toned down and make Control decks viable again.
