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araa

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#41
May 22, 2013
Well, it turns out that whatever I do, I mess things up pretty bad anyway. So my canonical playthrough will be an emotional one instead of a logical one. If I can't do everything right then I can at least let myself have fun in the meantime.

-saving Aryan (Killed him the first time out of an accident, I hoped I would be able to stop the duel when he was losing. I still think this would be the best way out, after putting on this show his honor wouldn't be that damaged and he wouldn't do stupid things like setting fire to the castle. He needs to learn a lesson somehow, he is so hot-headed that he is actually dangerous to people around him. Anyway, I guess it's not my problem.)
-joining Iorveth (Personally, I don't like Roche.)
-letting everyone live (Because I'm nice.)
-rescuing Saskia (Free Pontar Valley, got new friends and Triss is saved anyway.)
 
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sfinx

Rookie
#42
May 22, 2013
araa said:
So my canonical playthrough will be an emotional one instead of a logical one.
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+1; best way, how to play this

Everybody (maybe exept Geralt :) ) knows he has emotions, so there is no way, how to get the best walkthrough.
Smal example - Saskia - he NEVER kills dragon, but she was dangerous, but she was just under spell, she was wounded, but she could recover, if there is a chance to cure, you should try, but if you don't care about their political fights, why to fight with her,.. Many reasons, but any perfect solution.
 
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violetdreams

Rookie
#43
May 24, 2013
I can't decide which playthrough is better, if only they could be combined... But things I want combined aren't combinable. It will be tough to decide which save to use in TW3.

I want:
- The Conclave of Mages established
- Free Vergen
- Temeria with Anais alone
 
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sfinx

Rookie
#44
May 27, 2013
I am playing Roche's path now, so:

Henselt is dead. I know - there might be civilian war in Kaedwen, but this pig can't walk on that world anymore.
He doesn't deserve ANY respect - he just wanted to be respected and feared, but even in his camp I found people, who wanted to get rid of him and his behaving was unacceptable for me.
Every time, he thinks, he is the best, untouchable, beloved,... But he is nothing more than idiot, with strong nickname - I laughed a lot, when I heard "unicorn", when they talked about pig.
I saved his stupid life three times, I think. And he wanted just to kill me. For no reason.

Another reason for me to think, there can't be world without sorceresses - let king rule alone and he will give power to one bad guy, with desire in torturing. What he did to Ves - that was just small part of his personality, but good show of it, just like Marigold's image of him.

I have one problem. I don't know if that answer - to kill Sheala, when she denied to join their necromancy session was just irony - doesn't seem to me like that and Henselt did not understand it that way.

And Adieu is alive - I don't have anything against him, he just served the wrong side, as Roche said. I hope he will join battle agains Nilfgaard. I hoped the same about Julia, but devs get her pregnant?
 
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GuyNwah

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#45
May 27, 2013
sfinxCZ said:
I am playing Roche's path now, so:

Henselt is dead. I know - there might be civilian war in Kaedwen, but this pig can't walk on that world anymore.
He doesn't deserve ANY respect - he just wanted to be respected and feared, but even in his camp I found people, who wanted to get rid of him and his behaving was unacceptable for me.
Every time, he thinks, he is the best, untouchable, beloved,... But he is nothing more than idiot, with strong nickname - I laughed a lot, when I heard "unicorn", when they talked about pig.
I saved his stupid life three times, I think. And he wanted just to kill me. For no reason.

Another reason for me to think, there can't be world without sorceresses - let king rule alone and he will give power to one bad guy, with desire in torturing. What he did to Ves - that was just small part of his personality, but good show of it, just like Marigold's image of him.

I have one problem. I don't know if that answer - to kill Sheala, when she denied to join their necromancy session was just irony - doesn't seem to me like that and Henselt did not understand it that way.

And Adieu is alive - I don't have anything against him, he just served the wrong side, as Roche said. I hope he will join battle agains Nilfgaard. I hoped the same about Julia, but devs get her pregnant? />
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It wouldn't be like Pretty Kitty to miss a good fight. She's tough enough that I don't think carrying a baby would slow her down too much, not until she's eight months along at least. And if Adieu told her to stay home, she'd tell him to pound sand.

The institution of monarchy has an inherent weakness to deceitful courtiers. Every king has to be on guard against those who seek power for themselves, stab loyal servants in the back, and disguise it as patriotism. You're right; an honest sorceress is a strong weapon against these, but a dishonest or ambitious one is even worse.
 
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violetdreams

Rookie
#46
May 27, 2013
sfinxCZ said:
Henselt is dead. I know - there might be civilian war in Kaedwen, but this pig can't walk on that world anymore.
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I'm sure Radovid is the same, as well as Stennis. People may appear differently on the surface, they have different manners and styles of speech. But all of them are monarchs who do whatever they want, they have no restraint at all. You say Henselt's behavior towards Ves was unacceptable? Other kings would do the same. Remember what Radovid did to Philippa, and he didn't even have proof that she killed his father, it was the case of wounded pride. All of them are awful and shouldn't walk the earth, the problem is that if they're all dead new kings appear who're the same. Culture has to change, not individual men have to die.

That said, I also had Henselt dead, because Roche wanted him dead. Not my business, he's entitled to do what he wants. But I'm sure it changed nothing, someone equally as beastly as Henselt will take his place.

Another reason for me to think, there can't be world without sorceresses - let king rule alone and he will give power to one bad guy, with desire in torturing. What he did to Ves - that was just small part of his personality, but good show of it, just like Marigold's image of him.
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Truth be told, the one bad guy was a sorcerer. A male one, that's the only difference.

Well, it's hard to judge what would be better, we don't have sorcerers and sorcereresses. But the way I see it, the Witcher world is incredily bigoted, all of them are hateful fanatics and racists and sexists. They're probably 90% illiterate peasants so they can't know better. Murder, rape, torture are normal things to do for those 10% who're in the military or in the nobility. And the military and the nobility are also bigoted, racist, etc. Of course they fear and hate anything that can take away their power. For example, Henset didn't want sorcery on the battlefield. Right, it's better for thousands of his men to die than have Sabrina launch a massive spell and wipe out the enemy. I'm not talking about the game situation, but of the potential situation if she was allowed to participate from the start, she could wipe out half the army without hurting her own army. But kings are too scared of magic to use it, even for the good of their own people.

I don't know if bringing in sorceric advisors is for better or worse. It puts some restraints on kings, but in the Witcher world sorcereresses are hardly better. Culture is at fault. So we've got the same soup one way or another. It's really a dead-end, when I played I felt like the only things worthy to do in such a dead-end were personal ones (like Roche's), at least they brought satisfaction to one individual, even though they were powerless to elicit a real change. Other than that, the solution was something grand that changes the culture itself (like racial equality of Vergen, eradication of serfdom, etc.). If you merely kill some king and imagine anything changes, it wouldn't help. Hell, even if Nilfgaard invades, so what, what's there to protect, this bigoted hateful lot, but who wants to protect and preserve its culture? Alas, nothing changes no matter who sits on the throne and nothing changes if the North is conquered.

I have one problem. I don't know if that answer - to kill Sheala, when she denied to join their necromancy session was just irony - doesn't seem to me like that and Henselt did not understand it that way.
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What do you mean?
 
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sfinx

Rookie
#47
May 28, 2013
GuyN said:
It wouldn't be like Pretty Kitty to miss a good fight. She's tough enough that I don't think carrying a baby would slow her down too much, not until she's eight months along at least. And if Adieu told her to stay home, she'd tell him to pound sand.
//I really hope it will be like that, not like in Milwa's case.

The institution of monarchy has an inherent weakness to deceitful courtiers. Every king has to be on guard against those who seek power for themselves, stab loyal servants in the back, and disguise it as patriotism. You're right; an honest sorceress is a strong weapon against these, but a dishonest or ambitious one is even worse.
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I am not sure on which sentence, you replied, but Henselt's style of seeking is to gave the power to mad guy and attempts to kill man, which saved him many times.
Last sentence - truth, but from king's sights. From mine - best way: cut the power of kings and give that power to sorceresses (sorcerers) - when Sabrina was with Henselt, interrupted him when she wanted, hit table with her fist,.. - he behaved like king - he was still proud and agressive, but sorceresses controled him (just like in Cintra). When Lodge had power, they controlled ammount of power between kings, when Sabrina was gone, he just wanted to gain as much power as possible and to be the strongest king on the North.
(I don't think, there would be three wars with Nilfgaard, if they had powerful members near emperor. Same with Henselt's (and others') plans to be most powerful,..)

I understand when kings are paranoic and maybe when they are so proud on their blood, but I am not king and when they reach 'border', I want to stop them - just like Lodge.
PS: Murder of the king is not for me worse than murder of any other human (non human).

GuyN said:
I'm sure Radovid is the same, as well as Stennis.
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I am looking forward to W3 and my next choices.
People may appear differently on the surface, they have different manners and styles of speech. But all of them are monarchs who do whatever they want, they have no restraint at all.
//If I can change that, I will do that. No one could do anything to Henselt - he was so sure, he can do anything. I was verry happy, when I could change his experience about this. I couldn't let live Henselt, like the most powerful king of the north, with no control above him. If Sabrina would be with him, I could consider to let him alive for good of the north, but now he could be just very important idiot.

You say Henselt's behavior towards Ves was unacceptable? Other kings would do the same.
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True, as I said - I can't judge every one of them, but Ves was my good friend in this path, she was even closer to Roche. I don't care if he was king or peasant - he didn't even regrat that, neither I do. But my decission wasn't based just on this.
Remember what Radovid did to Philippa, and he didn't even have proof that she killed his father, it was the case of wounded pride.
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True, he is next on my list. Order of the flamming rose, which he cooperated with is just band of racist idiots and he is not better - just small boy, which had to stand in shadow of Philippa and can't forget that. He doesn't care if Redania prospered well under her control, he just can't forget - he and his father was just second in their kingdom - I don't like this stupid people, which just think they need to be first, because they have some blue blood.
All of them are awful and shouldn't walk the earth, the problem is that if they're all dead new kings appear who're the same. Culture has to change, not individual men have to die.
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Geralt is not judger, but when comes to his friends, he could be angry. He can't catch every rapist idiot and murderer, but if he can do that.. I like Philippa a lot, if I will have opportunity, I'll help her - Radovid will die. Who will come after him - I don't know - but that is the reason, why I want to help sorceresses (working solution, how to hold kings back). They want to hold kings in some borders.
That said, I also had Henselt dead, because Roche wanted him dead. Not my business, he's entitled to do what he wants. But I'm sure it changed nothing, someone equally as beastly as Henselt will take his place.
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Maybe true, but as I said before - I need to find some organization, which will solve those problems. Yes - kings are something special, but there are also some unacceptable things, which can't be just forgiven.
Truth be told, the one bad guy was a sorcerer. A male one, that's the only difference.
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True, as Philippa (probably) said - women are different and even Sheala doesn't like him. I don't support every sorceress (sorcerer).
Well, it's hard to judge what would be better, we don't have sorcerers and sorcereresses. But the way I see it, the Witcher world is incredily bigoted, all of them are hateful fanatics and racists and sexists. They're probably 90% illiterate peasants so they can't know better. Murder, rape, torture are normal things to do for those 10% who're in the military or in the nobility. And the military and the nobility are also bigoted, racist, etc. Of course they fear and hate anything that can take away their power. For example, Henset didn't want sorcery on the battlefield. Right, it's better for thousands of his men to die than have Sabrina launch a massive spell and wipe out the enemy. I'm not talking about the game situation, but of the potential situation if she was allowed to participate from the start, she could wipe out half the army without hurting her own army. But kings are too scared of magic to use it, even for the good of their own people.
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True - sorceresses FTW :)/>/>/>/>
When I take Witcher world - every king just thirsts for bigger power - larger state,.. . Nobility - the same. Emperor - aswell. Their methods are terrible. But I see difference in sorceresses - they were apolitical, they had bigged plans than just to controll another piece of world. Francesca probably didn't want to be queen at all cost - she cared about elves, not just how big her country will be. Philippa wanted to reveal betrayers, which sided with Nilfgaard - not for power, glory or money,... probably just because she cared about north.
Their role is so important:
Henselt in Cintra: "‘No, no, a thousand times, no!’ cried King Henselt, smashing his two fists into the tabletop ... ‘I resent such rude comments, particularly from some fucking spy! I am the fucking anointed King!’ ... I will not give it up! Nothing can force me! Nothing! Over my dead body!’ And to prove that he was a scholar he shouted. ‘Non possumus!’
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‘I’ll give him non possumus, the fool!’ snapped Sabrina Glevissig in the chamber one floor above. ‘Don’t worry ladies, I’m going to make this stubborn fool surrender Upper Aedirn. His army will leave within ten days, it is clear. There is no question about it. If any of you ladies doubt this, I have a right to feel offended.’"

Really necessary - they just ended war, where they were shaking their hands and now they can't make a deal and just risk another conflict.. Sabrina (from Kaedwen) and others didn't care about power or their profit - they just wanted to make peace and stabile world.
I don't know if bringing in sorceric advisors is for better or worse. It puts some restraints on kings, but in the Witcher world sorcereresses are hardly better. Culture is at fault. So we've got the same soup one way or another. It's really a dead-end, when I played I felt like the only things worthy to do in such a dead-end were personal ones
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That is really the worst thing in game - all things are presented corectly and properly, but just Lodge is group of bad ladies with own goals - there wasn't much mentioned what is their goal (maybe just one path, one sentence from Philippa, not even during conversation). Seems like Philippa and Sheala just worked for themself. I judge them and remember them more from books, they are maybe persons with no emotions, but their plans were great - I disagree with some of their methods, but it was still better than methods of kings.
What do you mean?
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When you kill that assassin in front of Henselt's tent, you will talk about necromany. Sheala will tell, she will not be part of that, necromancy is forbidden. And Henselt again said something like - I am king..(as usual) and Geralt had three answers - I am interested in meaning of second.

(sorry for that notes in your quotes, there is limited number of quotations)
 
Cheylus

Cheylus

Senior user
#48
May 31, 2013
Well, I saved Triss once because I didn't know at that time that she lives anyway. I'm still trying to make choices in the heat of the moment, not thinking about known consequences. I'm not able to tell what the future holds... It's strange to chose something because you know the meaning of your action in the future.

I did two paths:

"My" path
TW1
- Abigail saved
- Stayed Neutral
- Cured Vincent
- Triss
- Adda lives

TW2
- Didn't give the sword to Iorveth, he didn't look as if he is trustworthy
- Roche's path, because it feels like he's here to help me, I don't have time to gain Iorveth's trust. Roche gained my trust when he helped me escape a certain death in LaValette's castle, against the order of his hierarchy.
- Henselt is alive because I don't want Roche to be an assassin himself; "or live long enough to become the villain"
- Adam Pangratt is alive because I like this character
- I save Triss. Why should I save Anaïs? At this time, she will likely be a pawn in Radovid or Natalis' hands. Triss is my friend and can clear some topics in my quest for the assassins, which is a quest for my memory. Roche told me he can save Anaïs alone and he did.
- I didn't kill Sile. I don't know why but I didn't.
- I kill the dragon. It can be used again and I've seen the mayhem it could cause.
- I don't kill Letho. He said himself he is stronger than I am and proved it not long ago. He has done everything he wanted but I haven't. I don't want to risk my life mindlessly for nothing

"Involved" path
TW1
- Abigail killed
- Shani
- Adda killed
- Scoiatel
- Cured Vincent

TW2
- gave Iorveth his sword back. I fought for the Scoiatel before
- I follow Iorveth. My past within the Scoiatel may open some doors
- Stennis is alive. I'm interested about the truth on this matter. Saskia's peasants shouldn't be driven by rage, she tries to do something good and I don't want her followers to betray that
- I save Philippa and not Triss. Saskia is the only character Geralt (and I) learned to respect absolutely in this game. I'm angry people manipulate her. There is a lot at stake by saving her instead of Triss
- Cynthia has the device, after I used it once. She is an interesting character
- Sile dies in order to prevent her to manipulate Saskia
- I kill Letho: Letho is everything Saskia is standing against (Letho is someone who is meant to kill monsters but he currently brings chaos; Saskia is a "daughter of chaos" and seeks to bring justice). There is hundreds of corpses around us and Letho is the root of everything.
 
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Sam44

Senior user
#49
Jun 9, 2013
After playing TW2 from all angles here is what i would do now:

-Sparing Aryan
-not giving Iorveth his sword (otherwise there would be a pogrom in flotsam)
-Iorveths Path
-Saving the elven women
-Stennis lives (Pontar needs a ruler)
-Cynthia lives (sex scene )
-Saving Triss
-Killing Sille
-Sparing the dragon
-Killing Letho (I didnt like his selfish reasons for the regicides)
 
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geluranger

Rookie
#50
Jun 24, 2013
Yea my canon:
-Iorveth's path
-Stennis dies
-Cynthia dies
-Sile dies
-disenchant Saskia
-spare Letho
 
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vivaxardas2015

Rookie
#51
Jun 24, 2013
dracolich55 said:
Another thing, why would people save Triss if he she pretty much lives anyways?
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I would hazard a guess - arse and tits.
 
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username_3615831

Rookie
#52
Jun 26, 2013
I have not read the books yet so I did what I felt was right to do in his shoes and considering his character and his motives/past/personality so that I do what I think Geralt would do if I did not control him.

-Spared Aryan-Honorable good man,Geralt isn't a Temerian Foltest fanboy,he can look both perspectives and feel compassion for the boy.

-Gave Iorveth sword-Iorveth just helped him,it is not honorable to let him go without a fight,it's not Geralt's right to judge who should win and who should lose,everyone deserves to have his sword in combat.And by the way,if Roche didn't run in,we would have caught Letho!!

-Went with Iorveth-Fastest way to Vergen where Triss(his long time friend) and Letho(his main objectve) are.Iorveth knows Letho and has a personal motive to find him.Roche wants to deal with Loredo,no time for that!

-Save Mottle-Geralt doesn't sound like a person to let them die,even if that means letting a monster live on.

-Spare the Trolls-Friendly,funny,harmless(kind of) creatures that don't deserve to die and could be helpfull as they turn out to be.

-Go save Triss-Altrough I think Geralt got attached to Vergen and it's cause and was the first time in the games where he felt like he was "welcome" Triss was a long time friend and had the answers Geralt needs!

-Spare Saskia-No matter that the Dragon is controlled by the bit*h queens(The Lodge) Geralt wouldn't kill a Dragon,especially not a great leader with great values like Saskia.

-Kill Sile-A pretty face does not make a pretty heart.

-Save Iorveth-He finally has a cause,a good direction for the Scoia'Tel,to fight for something more than just randomly kiling and trolling humans.To finally fight for a home and equallity,why would I take that away from him and his unit.

-Spare Letho-He is just like Geralt,he fights for his friends and doesn't care for politics,it wasn't him who wanted to cause all this pain,it his employers,he just did the work for them so that he could get his order restored.
 
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funkrush

Rookie
#53
Jun 30, 2013
Seeing that Adda went behind Foltest's back and her irrelevant role in TW2 (her not being accepted by the Temerian people) rendering the marriage between her and Radovid useless, why are people mostly saving her? Beside the fact that it's probably the "Witcher" thing to do.
If you intend to give Anais to Radovid, he'll probably dispose of her anyway as he needs a marriage with Anais to secure the Redanian-Temerian union he seeks.

I am very conflicted with what to choose here.
 
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GuyNwah

Ex-moderator
#54
Jun 30, 2013
"What would Geralt do" really doesn't extend to political considerations. Whether Adda could become Queen of Temeria would interest him less than whether the drowner brains in his alchemy pouch have gone off.

If Geralt spared Adda in TW1, he also explained why: to him, lifting a curse is more satisfying than offing a dangerous monster.

My reasoning with Anais is similar. Geralt doesn't care whether there is a royal union between Redania and Temeria. But the fate of his friend and a little girl ride on his ability (or reluctance) to persuade Roche to take Anais to John Natalis.
 
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funkrush

Rookie
#55
Jul 1, 2013
My question was probably more aimed at people that intended to secure Redanian dominance in the Northern Kingdoms.

Something else that I'd liked to ask if the Order camp at LM is differing in size depending on the choices you made in TW1. I remember reading that it is hinted that the Order grew immensely in size through reforms enacted by Siegfried (might be wrong here). Anyone got some feedback on that?

I'd really like to see the Order develop into a honest, virtuous knighthood. After playing TW2 twice with neutral/Witcher path save game imports, I finally want to see Siegfried as GM. Not sure though, if that's the one I'll import into TW3.
 
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