Well he initially kept him alive to serve his own goals, sure, Roche is the "better person" than Iorveth (because Roche is not a racist bigot and even outright says that the guy that committed the Loc Muinne massacre was a prick, but he is still a sadist prick sometimes) and both of them are flawed pieces of crap murderers at the end of the day and they love being murderers, which is why I love the Witcher series, you get to have characters like these and still like them, Letho is a prime example.
Hell, even Geralt is a cold-blooded killer only when he needs to be as well.
Well... He doesn't doubt to kill Geralt in the prologue... And later we notice he had killed elven and dwarves children and women, not only Scoia'taels. He is no better than Iorveth nor Iorveth is not better than Roche. The difference is that Roche acts under the protection of the crown.
I've got a second justification for you too. But to use it, you need to NOT give Iorveth his sword.
Zoltan's your friend, and he's been your friend for years. You asked him for a favour, he obliged and vouched for you to the Scoia'tel. And you betrayed that trust. OK, you didn't know Roche was going to attack, but you still chose to side with him when he did. Now Zoltan's in the shit, and it's all your fault, you broke your word. You need to put this right by helping Zoltan rescue Iorveth
For an encore, I can also do "Why you should save Anders' life" in DA2
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It's not okay to beat someone just because he called you a dumb name. Besides, he had plenty of time to defuse the situation, but instead he pulled some "Oh we're the Blue Stripes! Can't touch us!" shit. Besides that Roach tortures and kills people in the "name of Temeria". They're both fighting for for different sides and both of them kill innocents.
Also, the reason Iorveth even kills you and Zoltan in the first place is because you egg him on. If you don't egg him on and remain conscious of the archers he has at the ready, the meeting goes really well.
Giving the sword to Iorveth leads to him not getting captured, and consequently he attacks Flotsam and murders innocent humans and non-human alike.
You and Zoltan egg Iorveth on = he kills you. You say No problem, it's your fault for egging.
peasant eggs Roche on = he punches him in the stomach. You say the man is worse than Iorveth.
Anyways I chose Roche because I thought he murdered less innocents, but I'd choose Iorveth to fight for a free Vergen. A free Vergen where humans and non-humans live freely.
So I respect your choice as much as I respect mine, and I am having difficulty choosing which save to import.
You and Zoltan egg Iorveth on = he kills you. You say No problem, it's your fault for egging.
peasant eggs Roche on = he punches him in the stomach. You say the man is worse than Iorveth.
Anyways I chose Roche because I thought he murdered less innocents, but I'd choose Iorveth to fight for a free Vergen. A free Vergen where humans and non-humans live freely.
So I respect your choice as much as I respect mine, and I am having difficulty choosing which save to import.
No, he doesn't. If you give him his sword, he defeats Roche's ambush, killing some Flotsam guards in the process, and then presumably returns to the forest to plan his next action. The riots and deaths in Flotsam were carried out by the humans in Flotsam, encouraged by the Flotsam guards and Loredo, as revenge for the deaths of the guards. Iorveth's later attack (with Geralt present, if you picked that path) is on a military target, the prison barge, and those killed are either guards or civilians who take up arms. The only civilians targeted are the Elven Women in the brothel, and the attacker is Loredo.
Iorveth boasts a lot about killing civilians, and he's definitely been targetting civilians in the woods around Flotsam before you arrive, but there's nowhere in the game itself where he does so.
To me, this was always one of the great things about the game, and a big improvement over the Order/Yaevinn choice in TW1, which pushed you to support their causes if you wanted to follow all paths. But in TW2, choosing Iorveth didn't mean supporting terrorism, and choosing Roche didn't mean supporting ruthless human monarchs.
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Son of a Bitch.
I thought I had it all figured out, but I am second guessing myself now.
I still think Roche is better than Iorveth as a person, but I am going with Iorveth just for the sake of Vergen.
So my save import is going to be:
1. Not give sword to Iorveth. To avoid any lives lost.
2. Rescue Iorveth.
3. Let the peasants have their way with Stennis. It's not my business.
4. Rescue Triss (I do not remember wether this is available in Iorveth's path or is it exclusive to Roche's path).
5. Let Sile' live. I hate her, but a sorceresses that owes you is always useful.
6. Kill Saskia. I hate killing her, but a dragon under mind control spell with such influence can become very destructive.
7. Kill Letho. Geralt had saved Letho, but Letho left him to get hanged for the murder. He did not kill him in the elven bath, but he kidnapped Triss and killed Cedric. I was quite fund of Cedric. He betrays people left and right, and I do not like traitors.
I thought I had it all figured out, but I am second guessing myself now.
I still think Roche is better than Iorveth as a person, but I am going with Iorveth just for the sake of Vergen.
So my save import is going to be:
1. Not give sword to Iorveth. To avoid any lives lost.
2. Rescue Iorveth.
3. Let the peasants have their way with Stennis. It's not my business.
4. Rescue Triss (I do not remember wether this is available in Iorveth's path or is it exclusive to Roche's path).
5. Let Sile' live. I hate her, but a sorceresses that owes you is always useful.
6. Kill Saskia. I hate killing her, but a dragon under mind control spell with such influence can become very destructive.
7. Kill Letho. Geralt had saved Letho, but Letho left him to get hanged for the murder. He did not kill him in the elven bath, but he kidnapped Triss and killed Cedric. I was quite fund of Cedric. He betrays people left and right, and I do not like traitors.
is there any other way to import a custom world state than importing the save game file? i don't have tw2 instaled nor the files
Yes there is.
There is a conversation with a certain someone that allows you to make the decisions that would otherwise be imported via a save file.
In all my playthroughs I went with the exact same choices. Boring perhaps, but not for me. My choice are not only of what I want to see transpire, but also of what I want to avoid. I've tried to choose differently but always end up loading a previous savegame and gone my own way. Roche all the way and in the end I
I spared Aryan but
the Pig was gutted thoroughly,
was left to live with his filthy reign for another day,
was given a second chance,
was spared and lastly
...I fought, as I could not forgive him or his manner of manipulating everyone and murdering innocents so easily. Also he went along with
schemes and killed
. He was resourceful enough to stand against him and survive. He should at least have tried to along with
.
saved Triss.
I spared Aryan but
Loredo
Henselt the Hog
Síle
Saesenthessis
Letho
Emhyr's
Foltest
Serrit and Auckes
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Gandhi and Luther had the respect of a lot of people because the modern society had passed through 2 WorldWars and there was a legal and official proclamation of the human rights and war crimes by the UN. They could be supported in law because that they recognized the right to life, to freedom from discrimination by race, sex or creed, (in the case of Luther the Constitution of the United States of America).He kills Zoltan and Geralt without even blinking. Zoltan is a non-human although Geralt's humanity is debatable.
The human population in Vergen were a means to an end for him, and he would be hurting his own cause by reducing the number of people who could pick up swords and pitchforks to fight. There is no guarantee that he would let them live after they have served their purpose. I do not sympathize with him, because there are better ways of fighting injustice. I'm referring to Gandhi, Marting Luther King, and many others who peacefully fought oppression.
The comparison is quite unfair in a world where laws are created by humans to the protection of human, where non humans have no rights, and they have to live in exclusive neighborhoods or suburbs for nonhumans. In a land that was stolen from them
He only shows this care when Geralt makes him notice that the nonhuman and the bard are friends of him. And Roche needs Geralt by his side (and he will care of his tool befoe to lose it). And you are talking about facts that Geralt ignores so they cannot be used for making the first decision for chosing a path, like Saskia issue.
He not saving Geralt from be hanged. He needs a awesome Witcher like Geralt to find the slayer of Folstet. If you refuse to deal with Roche in the prologue he has any doubt to kill Geralt right there and keep smiling (*another prisoner killed while trying to escape. *Yes, sir"). If he were so "honest" he would bring Geralt back to the cel pending the execution.
I like how people want see good or evil at the first sight, but I see that the romanticism clouds some eyes in front two people as grey and strong ad rough and loyal to thier each beliefs as Roche and Iorveth. Exactly the same characters in opposed worlds and circunstances
The Witcher games are so special in their own story that playing the game once without choicing all the differents options even, specially those we don't like, is the worst the gamer can do. For enjoying this game in its total complexity, the gamer must put his mind empty of any feelings and start from a blank page at every playthrough.
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Iorveth or Roche?
Mean and brutal sons of bitches, both of them...That's why I like them...
Mean and brutal sons of bitches, both of them...That's why I like them...
I'm so torn about this i have no idea what i will do. I guess it won't change the game too much anyway. im thinking about not importing at all. I figure then the story will be as cdpr intended it?
Spared Aryan La Valette although it doesn't matter I think and took Iorveth's path ofc.
Sspared Stennis since he was innocent and saved my love Triss. Spared Letho. Also spared saskia and picked up the dagger to make her human once and for all.
I don't remember if I killed Loredo but it doesn't really matter since Flotsam changed commander.
Sspared Stennis since he was innocent and saved my love Triss. Spared Letho. Also spared saskia and picked up the dagger to make her human once and for all.
I don't remember if I killed Loredo but it doesn't really matter since Flotsam changed commander.