He really shouldn't have to.
If I had a quarter for every time Geralt said "She's my daughter." in TW3....
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He really shouldn't have to.
If I had a quarter for every time Geralt said "She's my daughter." in TW3....
Aerie, Jaheira and Viconia. Blonde, brunette, drow.
The idea of romancing Jaheira actually gave me similar feelings like the idea of a Geralt-Ciri romance. Creepy like hell.
Jaheira had been presented not only as a fresh widow, but also as somewhat of an ersatz-Mother after the original warden had died, IIRC.
Anyway, in this game, you have a choice selection of: black, natural ginger, blonde, brown, henna dyed red, black for your sexual adventures outside of the brothels. (Yen, Shani, Keira, Jutta, Triss, Syanna).
If just looking at sorceress options, it's the classical "blonde, red, black" trio.
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Aaaah, this controverse topic again... Now I want tell my personal story concerning the TW lore: My first contact with the world of TW was playing TW1. I played this game without any background informations. I hadn't any feelings about Ciri (because she wasn't even mentioned at all). Then I played TW2. Only with the background information of TW1. I hadn't any feelings about Ciri again (because... same reason as above). Then I played TW3 without the prologue, because I know the game mechanics (I have observed my girlfriend playing). So in my first playthrough I had only feelings like a best friend for Ciri. But I hadn't feelings for her like a father to be honest! Then (very late I know ) I started to read the books and finally in my second playthrough I had feelings for Ciri like her adoptive father!!!
Perhaps that's the point: Without any backround informations (especially from the books) it's generally possible to have romantic feelings for Ciri, because in the game itself, the role of a father is implemented mainly in the prologue but not in the further course of the game, I think. So what's my opinion about that topic:
If you know the background from the books: The player (!!!) of Geralt loves Ciri like a daughter!!!
If you know only TW3: The player (!!!) of Geralt might have different feelings for Ciri without being perverse.
Now I want tell my personal story concerning the TW lore: My first contact with the world of TW was playing TW1. I played this game without any background informations. I hadn't any feelings about Ciri (because she wasn't even mentioned at all). Then I played TW2. Only with the background information of TW1. I hadn't any feelings about Ciri again (because... same reason as above). Then I played TW3 without the prologue, because I know the game mechanics (I have observed my girlfriend playing). So in my first playthrough I had only feelings like a best friend for Ciri. But I hadn't feelings for her like a father to be honest! Then (very late I know ) I started to read the books and finally in my second playthrough I had feelings for Ciri like her adoptive father!!!Perhaps that's the point: Without any backround informations (especially from the books) it's generally possible to have romantic feelings for Ciri, because in the game itself, the role of a father is implemented mainly in the prologue but not in the further course of the game, I think. So what's my opinion about that topic:
If you know the background from the books: The player (!!!) of Geralt loves Ciri like a daughter!!!
If you know only TW3: The player (!!!) of Geralt might have different feelings for Ciri without being perverse.
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As for times the player is being reminded of Geralt's feelings about his relationship with Ciri, here's an incomplete list:
1.) Tutorial. He's an adult, she's a little girl. They have father-daughter like interaction.
2.) Vizima: "our little girl has grown up"
3.) Crones: "Maybe he only likes ashen-haired girls" -"She is like a daughter to me, you sick fucks!"
4.) Baron: lots and lots of "daughter" references, really. ("this land, these swamps. You can lose people here. Some lose their friends, some their daughters..." *meaningful glance at Geralt*)
5.) Crach an Craite: *promises to help with Ciri and then immediately gives quests about helping his own children*
6.) Whoreson, if you kill him: "This girl is like a daughter to me. And this is why I cannot let this go" *splortch*
7.) Just before Ciri wakes up on Isle of the Mists: **flashback to Ciri as little girl, seeing Geralt again in that most emotional scene from the end of Sword of Destiny**
Pretty sure that there are even more father/daughter references just like that.
1.) Tutorial. He's an adult, she's a little girl. They have father-daughter like interaction.
2.) Vizima: "our little girl has grown up"
3.) Crones: "Maybe he only likes ashen-haired girls" -"She is like a daughter to me, you sick fucks!"
4.) Baron: lots and lots of "daughter" references, really. ("this land, these swamps. You can lose people here. Some lose their friends, some their daughters..." *meaningful glance at Geralt*)
5.) Crach an Craite: *promises to help with Ciri and then immediately gives quests about helping his own children*
6.) Whoreson, if you kill him: "This girl is like a daughter to me. And this is why I cannot let this go" *splortch*
7.) Just before Ciri wakes up on Isle of the Mists: **flashback to Ciri as little girl, seeing Geralt again in that most emotional scene from the end of Sword of Destiny**
Pretty sure that there are even more father/daughter references just like that.
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Good Point!
And that's exactly the problem with this Topic, cuz as you say, the games never build a real father&daughter relationship between them! Also mainly because of Geralts amnesia in the first two games, i mean the Amnesia plot is something i always didn't really like but that's for another Discussion...
But well nevertheless, even if i had a romantic feeling for Ciri. I would not have them from the Point of view of Geralt, but from the point of view of the player to be honest!
Then I played TW3 without the prologue, because I know the game mechanics (I have observed my girlfriend playing). So in my first playthrough I had only feelings like a best friend for Ciri. But I hadn't feelings for her like a father to be honest! Then (very late I know
I think the prologue is important, even if it is short, it is the first time the player meets Ciri, and showing her as a child and how she interacts with Geralt establishes her as the daughter, and after that it is difficult to view her in a "romantic" way even without having read the books.
Well, no one stops the player (!!!) from using his own imagination, and going for some phantasies and daydreams about himself (!!!) getting all romantic with Ciri during her adventures.
Should be hotter than phantasies about that "awfully veiny morsel", "just skin and bones", "vagabond" who did not "wash his hair lately" action on Ciri anyway.
Thing is, asking for romantic hot scenes between Geralt and Ciri is not the same thing as that.
1. I really DON'T want to see a sex scene between Geralt and Siri. Maybe I wrote not what I actually think because of poor english grammatics
2. All that 7 mentions of "little girl" may me feel more like an elder brother or a cousin to Siri, than a father. If my child was lost I will go directly to find him without making "sidequests", and definitely without occasional horse racing
3. If original books clearly place Geralt, Yen and Ciri as a family, it is more then definitive explanation for my question. But there is not feeling about that in a game, especially I don't see Yen acting like a Ciri's mother. Yes, she is desperate in her actions but why she not travelled to Isle of Mists with Geralt. Real sincere stepmother will do that for certain, especially if she is powerful sorceress.
4. It is difficult to roleplay a fixed male character for a guy - anyway you will be roleplaying yourself, and as for yourself (not Geralt) there is nothing bad to like Ciri.
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As for me Jaheira was acting really strange, all that semi-transparent intimitations about Khalid seeing and smiling like we go together.. Still Jaheira was great NPC, it is a shame to what condition Bioware came nowadays.. if not for TW3 I'll start to lose my beleive in existence of good RPG developers.
2. All that 7 mentions of "little girl" may me feel more like an elder brother or a cousin to Siri, than a father. If my child was lost I will go directly to find him without making "sidequests", and definitely without occasional horse racing
3. If original books clearly place Geralt, Yen and Ciri as a family, it is more then definitive explanation for my question. But there is not feeling about that in a game, especially I don't see Yen acting like a Ciri's mother. Yes, she is desperate in her actions but why she not travelled to Isle of Mists with Geralt. Real sincere stepmother will do that for certain, especially if she is powerful sorceress.
4. It is difficult to roleplay a fixed male character for a guy - anyway you will be roleplaying yourself, and as for yourself (not Geralt) there is nothing bad to like Ciri.
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I never went with Jaheira too, the choice between Aerie and Viconia was difficult enough with that cool music which start playing during romance conversation and sweet voice acting.Aerie, Jaheira and Viconia. Blonde, brunette, drow.
The idea of romancing Jaheira actually gave me similar feelings like the idea of a Geralt-Ciri romance. Creepy like hell.
Jaheira had been presented not only as a fresh widow, but also as somewhat of an ersatz-Mother after the original warden had died, IIRC.
Anyway, in this game, you have a choice selection of: black, natural ginger, blonde, brown, henna dyed red, black for your sexual adventures outside of the brothels. (Yen, Shani, Keira, Jutta, Triss, Syanna).
If just looking at sorceress options, it's the classical "blonde, red, black" trio.
As for me Jaheira was acting really strange, all that semi-transparent intimitations about Khalid seeing and smiling like we go together.. Still Jaheira was great NPC, it is a shame to what condition Bioware came nowadays.. if not for TW3 I'll start to lose my beleive in existence of good RPG developers.
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That, and the title of the thread, are the cause for the commotion.
1.) Phantasy. Imagination. Daydreams. Use them. Nothing stops me from imagining that I am a witcheress, if I feel like it. There are no boundaries for your imagination.1. I really DON'T want to see a sex scene between Geralt and Siri. Maybe I wrote not what I actually think because of poor english grammatics
2. All that 7 mentions of "little girl" may me feel more like an elder brother or a cousin to Siri, than a father. If my child was lost I will go directly to find him without making "sidequests", and definitely without occasional horse racing
3. If original books clearly place Geralt, Yen and Ciri as a family, it is more then definitive explanation for my question. But there is not feeling about that in a game, especially I don't see Yen acting like a Ciri's mother. Yes, she is desperate in her actions but why she not travelled to Isle of Mists with Geralt. Real sincere stepmother will do that for certain, especially if she is powerful sorceress.
4. It is difficult to roleplay a fixed male character for a guy - anyway you will be roleplaying yourself, and as for yourself (not Geralt) there is nothing bad to like Ciri.
2.) I don't know how these instances of "she is like a daughter to me" give you the "older brother" feeling. In which language do you play the game?
3.) Yeah, the Yen/Ciri relationship in the game is badly portrayed.
4.) I don't know about that. I do know that yeah, when I was playing Baldur's Gate 2 and had the choice of "Anomen or maybe Anomen", I went into a nerdrage and actually started a male character to get the far more interesting Viconia romance instead. That problem normally doesn't come up though, and if I am forced to play some male character and there's romantical stuff happening, then whatever. I don't get any strong feelings about it either way. (about me, the player (!!!) and those romantic interests. Except if I hate those NPCs, then the rage can be intense.)
(Though, for the record, I do have TW1 Geralt go on the "gotta collect them all" card quest. And in TW3, I rarely refuse Yen, Shani, Jutta and Keira, though I do not really watch those little porn cutscenes anymore. In TW2, I priorize the magical resistance over the silly porn scene though, both because of practical reasons and because I despise that NPC.)
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You are still playing as Geralt, though; while the game does give some freedom to define his character with your choices, as it can be expected from an RPG, the range of these choices is limited to what the developers have seen as realistic for the character - or at least how they imagined him, obviously not everyone will agree with them - in the given situation, considering that it is not always obvious what the Geralt from the books would do, and that he can develop and change to some extent over the years that passed since then. Thus, it was not made possible to make him romance his adopted daughter, it would just be too much out of character.
In any case, The Witcher 3 was said to be the last game with Geralt as the protagonist, so in future titles CDPR will have more freedom to write the main character in any way they want. Although I still would not bet on romancing your daughter being made an option.
Maybe we will have Ciri as the main Protagonist in a next witcher title, so all the people who wanted to establish some romance with her might get the chance, not with Geralt of course but with a new Character, so that this topic will hopefully finally end!
I can't believe this question is being raised again...
Ciri can't be romanced because she's Geralt's adopted daughter. And there are more than enough references to that in the game, from Geralt,Ciri and other characters - you don't have to read the books at all to acknowledge that fact. Geralt may be a lot of things but he's not a creep.
Ciri can't be romanced because she's Geralt's adopted daughter. And there are more than enough references to that in the game, from Geralt,Ciri and other characters - you don't have to read the books at all to acknowledge that fact. Geralt may be a lot of things but he's not a creep.
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Yes, Geralt faded away when I was discovering Velen and Skellige outside main storyline and replaced for me with more familiar Drizzt Do'Urden, which was also righteous, carried two swords, had white hair and was unfairly despised by part of population.. imagination is great thing.That, and the title of the thread, are the cause for the commotion.
1.) Phantasy. Imagination. Daydreams. Use them. Nothing stops me from imagining that I am a witcheress, if I feel like it. There are no boundaries for your imagination.
2.) I don't know how these instances of "she is like a daughter to me" give you the "older brother" feeling. In which language do you play the game?
3.) Yeah, the Yen/Ciri relationship in the game is badly portrayed.
4.) I don't know about that. I do know that yeah, when I was playing Baldur's Gate 2 and had the choice of "Anomen or maybe Anomen", I went into a nerdrage and actually started a male character to get the far more interesting Viconia romance instead. That problem normally doesn't come up though, and if I am forced to play some male character and there's romantical stuff happening, then whatever. I don't get any strong feelings about it either way. (about me, the player (!!!) and those romantic interests. Except if I hate those NPCs, then the rage can be intense.)
If you are a girl or a woman then, there are some problems with playing RPG, because they are mostly made by men, for a men and reflect men wishes and dreams and I think many of this things may look stupid or funny for you, but taken seriously by average male player
Anomen was awful in BG2, I tried to play like female character once and romance him but quickly abandon that walkthrough.. Bioware learn a lesson well - Liara in ME3 and Leliana in DA:O were made bisexual :cheers4:
Only to be an "advocatus diavoli"/devil's advocate... It's NOT my personal choice to have romatic feelings for Ciri!!!
But is in literature and art (and games are a kind of art too?!) not nearly everything allowed?! I remember on ancient tragedies like "Oedipus" (the protagonist kills his father and marries his mother) or "Oresteia" (the protagonist kills his mother to revenge his father) or in modern times "Homo faber" by Max Frisch (a father has a relationship to his own daughter).
So it just a decision of morals. And CDPR has made their decision that Ciri is not romancable by Geralt!!! A good decision in my opinion!!! But by the way there were other moments in books if I remember on Foltest and his sister) If there would by a another possibility about Ciri, there should be a bigger moral twist and a tragic consequence as result of this behavior, too...
But is in literature and art (and games are a kind of art too?!) not nearly everything allowed?! I remember on ancient tragedies like "Oedipus" (the protagonist kills his father and marries his mother) or "Oresteia" (the protagonist kills his mother to revenge his father) or in modern times "Homo faber" by Max Frisch (a father has a relationship to his own daughter).
So it just a decision of morals. And CDPR has made their decision that Ciri is not romancable by Geralt!!! A good decision in my opinion!!! But by the way there were other moments in books if I remember on Foltest and his sister) If there would by a another possibility about Ciri, there should be a bigger moral twist and a tragic consequence as result of this behavior, too...
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They can repeat it in every dialog line but still he is not acting to her like she is his daughter. He behaves like she is best friend, sister, cousin whatever but not daughter. There is always some distance in conversation between father and his children, in TW3 Geralt feels more like a mentor to her. Remember quest with horse stealing? What father will participate in that and then sit near her speaking with pleasure about future, future where she is separated from him?
She also talked to him like to an equal, and in normal conditions daughters always place father a little bit higher and treat them with some shown respect, similar to what Siri showed to Vesemir. Vesemir - he is real father for half of Kaer Morhen population (on perception level).
Maybe after reading of books perception is changed because book give a big room for imagination and then this imagination is applied to a game. But if you play clear game without any formed opinion before, things are different.
Well, I strongly disagree. I think the game does a very good job in portraying a father-daughter bond that they share, I've never seen it as anything different.
Because he's a mentor to her. She sees him both as her father and mentor, nothing weird about that. And no, there isn't always a distance between a father and their child. Ciri is an adult now and Geralt treats her as such, as an equal (of course as a player you can make different choices and be overprotective over her which has its own consequences)
Like I said before - it's because Geralt lets her make her OWN decisions. It's her life and her choices and Geralt understands that. He may not be happy about it but he accepts it. That's the healthiest parent-child dynamic you can get. You help your kids, you guide them, give them advice, but at the end of the day their life is in their hands.
On a side note - I wonder if this question would ever pop out if Ciri had been made less attractive
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