Why Ciri can't be romanced?

[Martinvls]

Only to be an "advocatus diavoli"/devil's advocate... It's NOT my personal choice to have romatic feelings for Ciri!!!

But is in literature and art (and games are a kind of art too?!) not nearly everything allowed?! I remember on ancient tragedies like "Oedipus" (the protagonist kills his father and marries his mother) or "Oresteia" (the protagonist kills his mother to revenge his father) or in modern times "Homo faber" by Max Frisch (a father has a relationship to his own daughter).

So it just a decision of morals. And CDPR has made their decision that Ciri is not romancable by Geralt!!! A good decision in my opinion!!! But by the way there were other moments in books if I remember on Foltest and his sister) If there would by a another possibility about Ciri, there should be a bigger moral twist and a tragic consequence as result of this behavior, too...

Relationship with daughter is not only moral question, morals are usually thrown away when there is a real passion.
Relationship with daughter is first of all unnatural and ill, evolution made our minds to avoid any thought about that, it is immeasurably wrong and disgusting. But this works when talk is about real daughter (or adopted). Game simple don't show that Siri is his daughter on more then few words here and there. I believe that books show another picture, but we are discussing particular game and if such question is raised every few weeks then I am not only one who think this way.
You agreed yourself that you like Siri (like a player, not like a Geralt) - this means that in this aspect developers failed to make right expression and Siri is perceived like a parallel witcheress, second protagonist and not like somebody who evoke "fathers feelings" to her.

 

[Lytha]

If you are a girl or a woman then, there are some problems with playing RPG, because they are mostly made by men, for a men and reflect men wishes and dreams and I think many of this things may look stupid or funny for you, but taken seriously by average male player

Anomen was awful in BG2, I tried to play like female character once and romance him but quickly abandon that walkthrough.. Bioware learn a lesson well - Liara in ME3 and Leliana in DA:O were made bisexual

Yeah, Annah in Planescape: Torment for instance. That kiss. :lol: That is definitely a case of "stupid or funny", though it's probably meant to be really hot.

I see Anomen as a case of: "so, there is this bunch of male game developers who think about what women might enjoy in men. Since they have no female input at all, they end up projecting their own ideals into the minds of their female gamers." Thing is, Anomen might be longterm relationship and marriage material, but he was so utterly stupid and boring; while those women who actually played video games back then in fact might've rather been the type to look for the more adventurous edgy stuff for their gaming phantasies.

I mean, I went then straight for Viconia and never even considered Aerie or Jaheira...



I see where you're coming from if Geralt turned into a Drizzt in your imagination as you were gaming. Also, yeah, if you're in the age range of Ciri (early 20s?), then it's understandable that you, as the player (!!!) have a hard time developing any fatherly feelings about a similarly aged NPC.

Maybe really just use that mod that was linked earlier? I haven't looked into that, but maybe it'd be what you're looking for?

 

[Boromir2015]

Relationship with daughter is not only moral question, morals are usually thrown away when there is a real passion.
Relationship with daughter is first of all unnatural and ill, evolution made our minds to avoid any thought about that, it is immeasurably wrong and disgusting. But this works when talk is about real daughter (or adopted). Game simple don't show that Siri is his daughter on more then few words here and there. I believe that books show another picture, but we are discussing particular game and if such question is raised every few weeks then I am not only one who think this way.
You agreed yourself that you like Siri (like a player, not like a Geralt) - this means that in this aspect developers failed to make right expression and Siri is perceived like a parallel witcheress, second protagonist and not like somebody who evoke "fathers feelings" to her.

I said: IN LITERATURE AND ART IT'S A DECISION OF MORALS!!! In reality it's unnatural, ill and against every law (of every society, nation and religion)!

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@Martinvls Please read my post completely...

 

[Martinvls]

Well, I strongly disagree. I think the game does a very good job in portraying a father-daughter bond that they share, I've never seen it as anything different.

Because he's a mentor to her. She sees him both as her father and mentor, nothing weird about that. And no, there isn't always a distance between a father and their child. Ciri is an adult now and Geralt treats her as such, as an equal (of course as a player you can make different choices and be overprotective over her which has its own consequences)

Like I said before - it's because Geralt lets her make her OWN decisions. It's her life and her choices and Geralt understands that. He may not be happy about it but he accepts it. That's the healthiest parent-child dynamic you can get. You help your kids, you guide them, give them advice, but at the end of the day their life is in their hands.

On a side note - I wonder if this question would ever pop out if Ciri had been made less attractive

Maybe this is cultural difference and in Poland family relationships have more freedom. In most countries there is patriarchy family system and where every word daughter is saying to her father is made with some respect like shown by Siri to Vesemir.

Also I didn't write that Geralt talk to her like to an equal - this is normal. I wrote that Siri always talk to Geralt like equal and this is not normal if he really raised her like a daughter for some years, there is a special feeling of thankfulness from adopted childs to there adoptive parents. And in game there is no such feeling from Siri. She acts to Geralt like to a very close best friend.
She is simply independent young woman to everyone including Geralt, and that independence is removed only for Vesemir. So yeah, if I'll play as Vesemir, I'll clearly agree that Siri is my adopted daughter.

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I said: IN LITERATURE AND ART IT'S A DECISION OF MORALS!!! In reality it's unnatural, ill and against every law (of every society, nation and religion)!

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@Martinvls Please read my post completely...

I read completely this forum is form of "literature" and given all posts here, natural, instinctive disgust for possible relationship with adult daughter in the art (TW3) is working well, just like it works IRL. This is a combination of psychological and physiological reflexes and they work like clocks, like regular need for meal and sleep. Morals are just artificial rules created by people for peaceful coexistence and which are easily forgotten by majority of this people when arrives a possibility of big passion or big money. Though I am sure you know and understand all this.

 

[StandardEpiphany]

I would like for a Ciri romance option to be implemented just to assess and bask in Yennefer's reaction. You thought being dumped for Triss was bad, well, how bout them apples?

 

[Boromir2015]

I read completely this forum is form of "literature" and given all posts here, natural, instinctive disgust for possible relationship with adult daughter in the art (TW3) is working well, just like it works IRL. This is a combination of psychological and physiological reflexes and they work like clocks, like regular need for meal and sleep. Morals are just artificial rules created by people for peaceful coexistence and which are easily forgotten by majority of this people when arrives a possibility of big passion or big money. Though I am sure you know and understand all this.

Oh, I understand what you mean. But in my opinion not every written word is literature and not every painted picture is art... And sorry, I like this forum very much, but the most posts aren't literature in the general sense...

 

[xxgwxx]

I wrote that Siri always talk to Geralt like equal and this is not normal if he really raised her like a daughter for some years, there is a special feeling of thankfulness from adopted childs to there adoptive parents

Geralt & Ciri never had a father-daughter relationship in a 'traditional' meaning of the word. Geralt never really raised her (it was rather Yennefer, if only for a few months). But it doesn't mean that Geralt doesn't have a parental feelings towards her and vice versa. She's his child of destiny and her growing up changes nothing.
Yes, their interactions are 'liberal' but that's how a lot of children interact with their parents nowadays. It certainly doesn't mean that Ciri doesn't have respect for Geralt or that she's not thankful.

 

[Rawls]

And down the rabbit hole we go ...

They can repeat it in every dialog line but still he is not acting to her like she is his daughter. He behaves like she is best friend, sister, cousin whatever but not daughter. There is always some distance in conversation between father and his children, in TW3 Geralt feels more like a mentor to her. Remember quest with horse stealing? What father will participate in that and then sit near her speaking with pleasure about future, future where she is separated from him?
She also talked to him like to an equal, and in normal conditions daughters always place father a little bit higher and treat them with some shown respect, similar to what Siri showed to Vesemir. Vesemir - he is real father for half of Kaer Morhen population (on perception level).

I strongly disagree with this statement. Many people's relationships with their parents change to something more akin to friendships once the children become adults. While I agree that it is important for adult children to respect their parents, the relationship should IMO evolve into something less paternalistic for the simple reasons that both the children and the parents have changed over time. The children no longer need their parents to be the decision makers and rule enforcers. I have a very different relationship with my mother and father than I did 15 years ago. It is the nature of growing up. One of the central themes in the game IMO is that learning to let your children grow up to be their own people and independent is a good thing.

Maybe after reading of books perception is changed because book give a big room for imagination and then this imagination is applied to a game. But if you play clear game without any formed opinion before, things are different.

While I agree with your premise, which is essentially "the game is different for people who didn't read the books" I disagree with the implicit conclusion ... which would be "therefor it is reasonable for persons who have only played TW3 to want to romance Ciri." One does not logically lead to the other because (as many others have already pointed out) there are many references to Ciri being Geralt's daughter, Geralt viewing her as a daughter, and etc. within the TW3 itself before and as you meet Ciri. The game flat out tells you what the relationship is, and does so rather well IMO.

Relationship with daughter is not only moral question, morals are usually thrown away when there is a real passion. Relationship with daughter is first of all unnatural and ill, evolution made our minds to avoid any thought about that, it is immeasurably wrong and disgusting. But this works when talk is about real daughter (or adopted).

(1) Um ... no. Morals are not thrown out the window when there is "real passion."

(2) Ciri is Geralt's adopted daughter.

Spoiler

She was made his destiny and promised as his ward before she was born. He saved her in Brokilon Forrest when she was a very young child. He found her again when she was 12 and finally took her in as his own, trained her as a witcher. When she disappeared, Geralt continued to have dreams about her life. He went across half the continent to rescue her, sacrificing many friends in the process. She is his daughter. And what's more you are told all of this in the game, so not reading the books is not an excuse:

Game simple don't show that Siri is his daughter on more then few words here and there. I believe that books show another picture, but we are discussing particular game and if such question is raised every few weeks then I am not only one who think this way.

As you can see above in the spoilers, the game does show you. Explicitly.

You agreed yourself that you like Siri (like a player, not like a Geralt) - this means that in this aspect developers failed to make right expression and Siri is perceived like a parallel witcheress, second protagonist and not like somebody who evoke "fathers feelings" to her.

Agree to disagree. I strongly felt father feelings.

I've said my peace.

 

[StandardEpiphany]

His heart belongs to Yennefer, but he is ready to have sex with everything that moves, yep.

So why not a woman he regards as a daughter? There is one thing to be sexually promiscuous and another to engage in an intimate relationship with someone who you first bonded with as a little girl and whose trust and affection you gained as a parental figure.

Of course you can write a story like that, and there are plenty of examples throughout literature. This is not a question of morality policing. However, in Geralt's case there is no indication, in the books or in TW3, that he sees Ciri as anything other than a daughter. And if she has come to see him more as a friend that a father, that is her prerogative, which in no way changes his feelings towards her.

 

[saltyB]

I really don't understand why a topic like that has even to be discussed!

We don't live in the years anymore where Incest was part of everyday life, like in the middle age or ancient times for example!
Humanity has improved a lot in questions of morality and behavior! And that's good!
And people who are coming up with ideas like having sex with their own children, even if they are adopted, are mentally ill! And every game that would allow something like that to happen, should be banned!
And saying:"But it is just Art, and with that you can do everything"
No you can't! Also Art has to follow some morality rules nowadays! Rules that keep our Humanity!


And with the The Witcher 3!

For someone who didn't read the books and only has the Content given through the games, it may be hard to build that father&daughter relationship at first!
But as more as you play the game, you more start to get into that Relationship!

And it is okay if a player say's for himself:" Oh Ciri is so beautiful i love her, why can't she be real"! or whatever!

But if you start thinking:" Damn Ciri is so hot, Geralt should "bang" her instead of Yen"....then it is just wrong!

 

[Benzenzimmern]

:uma:

 

[Riven-Twain]

:uma:

And that, friends, is why she can't be romanced. Uma.

(Geralt simply can't compete with his looks.)

 

[Krull32]

And that, friends, is why she can't be romanced.

True, she belongs to Avallac'h :sofa:[h=3][/h]

 

[saltyB]

Nah, she belongs to no one!

 

[Riven-Twain]

Avallac'h

That's Umallac'h.

Blinky and Umallac'h forever.

 

[carlos2033]

Spoiler

 

[Krull32]

(Geralt simply can't compete with his looks.)

true, all those warts....irresistible to any woman :lol:

Blinky and Umallac'h forever.

Aye. I'm already waiting for the Waifu patch to make it happen :yes

 

[Riven-Twain]

true, all those warts....irresistible to any woman :lol:

Not to mention the boils, bulging eye, withered arm, and pronounced hunch. . . . but probably it's those snazzy stockings that win the ladies over most.

Although quite amusing, soon we'll be returning to the topic.

 

[Boromir2015]

Although quite amusing, soon we'll be returning to the topic.

Everything in this world revolves in a circle... And the world moves on...

 

[Pawel1995]

This topic...

Even when some people didn't read the books, cdpr made it really clear in The Witcher 3 that she is his adopted daughter. Not only is it mentioned 10 times but also Ciri and Geralt hug all the time :affection: If people really want to romance Ciri as Geralt, something is strange in my opinion