Why does Geralt voluntarily get arrested at the nobles in Loc Muinne?

[luzarius]

Why does Geralt voluntarily get arrested at the nobles in Loc Muinne?

POSSIBLE BUG:

I'm in Loc Muinne. I talked and gambled with some nobles. I won the gambling but then Geralt ended up in a fist fight with them. After the fist fight knights of the flaming rose showed up (aren't they supposed to be outside of town only?). I get two dialogue option with the guards in which both result in Geralt VOLUNTARILY getting arrested? Doesn't matter what option I pick?! That is not what I wanted Geralt to do. I wanted him to go into the sewers and we were going to do that.

VIDEO: http://www.justin.tv/luzarius/b/298396576

The guard said I could bribe him and he would leave, but Geralt just refused and insulted the guard and purposely got arrested.

This is the first time I've seen it where Geralt ignores what the player wants and just chooses his own path.

Dice Poker ---> Winning ----> Fist Fight ---> Geralt Insists on getting Arrested

As soon as I won Dice Poker I lost control over decision making for Geralt.

 

[GuyNwah]

Geralt should avoid guards altogether if you want him to get to the prison via the sewers; otherwise, he will assume that you are playing to get him arrested. He can't just go anywhere and BS his way out of anything if he's going to take that course. He's the most recognizable wanted man in the Northern Kingdoms, traveling with the other most wanted man (well, elf). Maybe the dialog doesn't offer enough choices, but it's not a sensible strategy, and the game just doesn't account for all the unsuitable strategies.

 

[luzarius]

Geralt should avoid guards altogether if you want him to get to the prison via the sewers. He can't just go anywhere and BS his way out of anything if he's going to take that course. He's the most recognizable wanted man in the Northern Kingdoms, traveling with the other most wanted man (well, elf). Maybe the dialog doesn't offer enough choices, but it's not a sensible strategy, and the game just doesn't account for all the unsuitable strategies.

I remind you that you can kill redanian guards 30 feet away with no penalty, that is why I was so shocked when guards show up after a small fist fight.

So I can murder guards in public, I just can't get into fist fights? lol.

Mind you, the guards were ASKING for a bribe, did you read that part? they actually ask for a bribe and I was HAPPY to pay my way out of the mess, but no matter what option you pick geralt voluntarily gets arrested.

Honestly I think this is a bug.

It feels as if Geralt is unaware that he has the option to go through the sewer.

The proper scenario in this case would be:

1. axii dialogue option
2. persuade dialogue
3. bribe
4. intimidate

If you succeed in any of the following then you can proceed.

 

[dragonbird]

It's not a bug.

As Guy said, you've just had a conversation where you've discussed the desirability of getting arrested. If you CHOOSE to pick a fight, either with the nobles or directly with the guards, the game assumes you've decided to take that route. If you don't want to get arrested, don't fight at this stage of the game. It's as simple as that - nobody is forcing you to pick a fight.

If you want to fight guards, wait until you've got past this point of the game.

 

[GuyNwah]

It feels as if Geralt is unaware that he has the option to go through the sewer.

The option of going through the sewer is entirely inconsistent with talking to guards. Not just a little bit inconsistent. Totally, implausibly inconsistent. It is a bug if the developers have failed to account for absurd actions on the part of the player, but it is hardly a significant one.
Geralt should avoid guards altogether if you want him to get to the prison via the sewers; otherwise, he will assume that you are playing to get him arrested.

 

[luzarius]

I don't think you guys know what i'm talking about. Let me post a video. Lots of viewers were confused as well.

http://www.justin.tv/luzarius/b/298396576

Here is a video.

First we kill redanian guards, then we play dice poker with some nobles. A small fist fight breaks out then all of a sudden guards show up? Ok fine, that's cool actually right? But what bugs me most is that Geralt just purposely wants to get arrested when he clearly had a choice to accept the guards bribe.

In my case I would of paid the bribe because I wanted to go into the sewers.

Keep in mind no matter what option you pick with these knights of the flaming rose Geralt insists on getting arrested.

I've never seen a one sided situation in the game before. 99% of the time I can choose how I want to play Geralt.

Once again I ask, is this a bug?

 

[luzarius]

It's not a bug.

As Guy said, you've just had a conversation where you've discussed the desirability of getting arrested. If you CHOOSE to pick a fight, either with the nobles or directly with the guards, the game assumes you've decided to take that route. If you don't want to get arrested, don't fight at this stage of the game. It's as simple as that - nobody is forcing you to pick a fight.

If you want to fight guards, wait until you've got past this point of the game.

Even if you play dice poker with them and win it will still trigger a fight.

The concern is that Geralt insists on getting arrested and doesn't even consider giving the bribe when the player may want to go through the sewers.

What makes this so stupid and immersion breaking is that Geralt kills two guards before hand 25 feet away lol.

The only reason I bring this up is because the story has been amazing so far but this scenario was retarded.

ALL I WANTED IS THE OPTION TO GIVE THEM THE BRIBE.

 

[GuyNwah]

Geralt has no business screwing around with dice players and guards when he's supposed to be making himself invisible. If he's going to be sneaking through the sewers, he should be sneaking through the sewers, not announcing himself to the guards who have orders to arrest him. I don't think you see why what you're asking for is an implausible way out of an equally implausible game path.

Geralt either sneaks through the sewers without putting himself in a position to get arrested, or he gets into the prison by getting himself arrested. Only two ways the main quest (Iorveth's path) works.

 

[luzarius]

Geralt has no business screwing around with dice players and guards when he's supposed to be making himself invisible. If he's going to be sneaking through the sewers, he should be sneaking through the sewers, not announcing himself to the guards who have orders to arrest him. I don't think you see why what you're asking for is an implausible way out of an equally implausible game path.

Geralt either sneaks through the sewers without putting himself in a position to get arrested, or he gets into the prison by getting himself arrested. Only two ways the main quest (Iorveth's path) works.

You realize there is a quest in chapter 3 for playing dice poker right? lol. You realize we play dice poker 6 times up to this point?

You realize we get into a fist fight with Silgrat up to this point right and guards are like 15 feet away? Yet nothing happens.

You realize we kill redanian guards 25 feet away from the nobles yet nothing happens?

Please stop responding to this thread unless you've played the game, you're just trolling now.

Respond to this issue or don't respond at all: Geralt makes a decision as if he's in control. The decision is to purposely get caught. If Geralt is in full control why not let us decide to bribe them as they ask, use axii or persuade? I'm telling you, the game is excellent but this point is the first time I've seen the game do something weird and sloppy.

 

[dragonbird]

You realize there is a quest in chapter 3 for playing dice poker right? lol. You realize we play dice poker 6 times up to this point?

These NPC's have nothing to do with the dice game.

"Disagreeing with you" does not equal "trolling". You asked for an explanation on why these events happen, an explanation was given. Accept the explanation, or don't, it makes no difference.

 

[luzarius]

These NPC's have nothing to do with the dice game.

"Disagreeing with you" does not equal "trolling". You asked for an explanation on why these events happen, an explanation was given. Accept the explanation, or don't, it makes no difference.

Ok do you know what a chain of events are? How about a forced chain of events?

Listen very carefully.

1. I click to play dice poker with the nobles.
2. I win
3. They accuse of cheating and it goes straight into a fist fight.
4. I win the fist fight
5. Guards show up from the ruckus

What started as dice poker escalated into getting the guards attention, this is fine so far. The problem is that Geralt volunteers to get arrested when a player might rather go to the sewers, get it? Geralt is in full control in that convo, you can tell he wants to get arrested when in fact that may not be what the player wants to do. IMPORTANT: if he is in control of that convo why not let the player choose what they want? Axii? Persuade? Intimidate? Bribe? The guard even asks for a bribe but it's as if Geralt skips all dialogue options and just does things his own way instead of the players way.

Not one person answered these questions correctly so far on this thread.

In my opinion the proper path is for me to bribe them with half my coin, that would of been a good alternative so the whole scene wasn't so one sided. One sided situations are anti-Rpg.

 

[GuyNwah]

Can you explain what triggers these npc's who show up after the fist fight in the video?

And why does Geralt volunteer to get arrested when a player would rather go to the sewers? Geralt is in full control in that convo, you can tell he wants to get arrested when in fact that may not be what the player wants to do. IMPORTANT: if he is in control of that convo why not let the player choose what they want?

Not one person answered these questions correctly so far on this thread.

What part of "sneak through the sewers" implies that Geralt should go play dice in the ruined inn or anywhere else?

If your Geralt would rather go to the sewers, the only plausible course of action is to proceed immediately and directly, undetected so far as this is possible, to the sewers.

Geralt is a wanted man, known to be in the company of a wanted man. Standing around, playing dice, and talking to guards is tantamount to asking to be arrested, and in fact does get Geralt arrested. If you do not want to play Geralt being arrested, do not play that way.

That is the entire, and I believe the only correct, answer.

 

[luzarius]

What part of "sneak through the sewers" implies that Geralt should go play dice in the ruined inn or anywhere else?

If your Geralt would rather go to the sewers, the only plausible course of action is to proceed immediately and directly, undetected so far as this is possible, to the sewers.

Standing around, playing dice, and talking to guards is tantamount to asking to be arrested, and in fact does get Geralt arrested. If you do not want to play Geralt being arrested, do not play that way.

What part of "there are dice poker quests in chapter 3" did you not understand?

What part of "Geralt could of avoided being arrested had he paid the bribe" did you not understand?

We didn't talk to guards, they came up and talked to us, you didn't even watch the video hah good troll

You still don't understand that Geralt was in control of that conversation but he insisted on getting arrested when that is not what the player wanted to do.

^^ you fail to grasp this concept.

If the game was as linear as you were describing then I would of either had the option to get arrested in the start or go straight to the sewers like you said.

Just remember RPG games are about choices. When those guards spoke to us I was presented with two choices that BOTH resulted in the same consequence lol.

 

[GuyNwah]

What part of "there are dice poker quests in chapter 3" did you not understand?

What part of "Geralt could of avoided being arrested had he paid the bribe" did you not understand?

We didn't talk to guards, they came up and talked to us, you didn't even watch the video hah good troll

The idea that Geralt, one of the two most wanted men in the Northern Kingdoms, would show his face at the dice tables without expecting to be arrested, is an absurdity.

You can always play dice poker later. There is nothing anywhere in the game that says you must or should play dice poker while attempting to sneak into the sewers.

The developers are not obliged to account for every possible absurd manner of completing a quest while directly and intentionally failing to complete it.

This conversation is at an end. Good day.

 

[luzarius]

The idea that Geralt, one of the two most wanted men in the Northern Kingdoms, would show his face at the dice tables without expecting to be arrested, is an absurdity.

You can always play dice poker later. There is nothing anywhere in the game that says you must or should play dice poker while attempting to sneak into the sewers.

The developers are not obliged to account for every possible absurd manner of completing a quest while directly and intentionally failing to complete it.

This conversation is at an end. Good day.

You must ask yourself why on earth would Geralt play Dice Poker afterwards in the most dire of situations? Ultimately he shouldn't be playing dice poker AT ALL based upon your failed logic.

Wait, just real quick, you remind me of Captain Hindsight!

In my case Geralt had the option to pay a bribe to the guard and instead of giving the player the option to choose, the game just forced a choice without consulting the player. The game chooses being arrested for you instead of letting you pay the bribe. This is what you fail to understand.

Sometimes in RPG games you may get yourself into trouble but a good RPG lets you have multiple choices.

I would of gladly given a huge bribe to get out of that mess. But the problem is the quest is ONE SIDED it forces ONE outcome only.

The proper dialogue choice is this:

1. Have Geralt get arrested
2. (Pay Bribe)

NOT

1. Have Geralt get arrested
2. Have Geralt get arrested

 

[secondchildren]

Alright luzarius, it's clear. You have your answer, you can like or not, that part of the story works like that. You can't blame other users for not giving the answer you like. You can only complain with the Devs who wrote the story.

Geralt IS SUPPOSED to enter the dungeons in that way, assist at Radovid drawing away Philippa's eyes, have a rendez vous with Shilard, choose to help Triss\Philippa. You can't be arrested if you bribe the knights, coz people of the Order are basically "not-bribable". If you haven't played W1 probably you're missing the nature of the Order.

In Roche's path, Geralt enters the sewers in a totally different way. So I suggest you to try that way too.

 

[luzarius]

Alright luzarius, it's clear. You have your answer, you can like or not, that part of the story works like that. You can't blame other users for not giving the answer you like. You can only complain with the Devs who wrote the story.

Geralt IS SUPPOSED to enter the dungeons in that way, assist at Radovid drawing away Philippa's eyes, have a rendez vous with Shilard, choose to help Triss\Philippa. You can't be arrested if you bribe the knights, coz people of the Order are basically "not-bribable". If you haven't played W1 probably you're missing the nature of the Order.

In Roche's path, Geralt enters the sewers in a totally different way. So I suggest you to try that way too.

If you actually watched my video you see that the knights of the order ask for a bribe.

And if you bribe the guards then you can still enter from the sewer.

This thread is hilarious.

Have you even played the game? No offense.

 

[GuyNwah]

Actually, I've played the game many times, and that quest several times. Secondchildren is a moderator and also a veteran of the game.

This is not a game where you can simply play any quest at any time without consequences to the other quests. In particular, the second most wanted man in the North cannot sneak into the sewers while making a spectacle of himself, and nothing obliges the developers to accommodate such a risible manner of play.

 

[luzarius]

Actually, I've played the game many times, and that quest several times. Secondchildren is a moderator and also a veteran of the game.

This is not a game where you can simply play any quest at any time without consequences to the other quests. In particular, the second most wanted man in the North cannot sneak into the sewers while making a spectacle of himself, and nothing obliges the developers to accommodate such a risible manner of play.

Once again you don't know what you're talking about.

Listen carefully. Geralt is in full control of that situation, getting arrested IS NOT A consequence. That's what he wanted. The problem is that I wanted to go through the sewer but Geralt decided HE wanted to get arrested.

The player was not able to decide what to do per the quest and instead Geralt chose a path skipping the player's decision.

In every single scenario in the entire game we the players have been given "Choice". But this ist he first time where we had no choice and Geralt just picked a path without consulting us the player.

That is all I'm saying. If you guys fail to grasp that then just stop responding to this thread. You guys just don't get it.

 

[GuyNwah]

We are never going to agree on your claim "Geralt is in full control of that situation, getting arrested IS NOT A consequence." I believe it flies in the face of the facts. Geralt is in fact vulnerable to being arrested while the quest "For a Higher Cause" is open; and if you put him in a situation where he could be arrested, and in fact is arrested, then that is the decision you made.

If you wanted to pick a path for Geralt to follow, you could have done so at any earlier time -- by NOT putting Geralt in a situation where he could be arrested.