Guys it isn't a fault of CDP, the problem is in the censorship that the countries applied... Do you know Mortal kombat 9? good, that game is been banned from Australia for the too much violence, and as that few other games are been banned in other countries. Do you know what could happen if they're going to realease a game with a FULL frontal nudity? With a complete sex scene? That will be ban in alot of countries...and this it's mean no more money for other games, lol.The fault is not of the CDP if in the countries the sex in games is so *******ing censored... if it was for the CDP i guess that they would do something like Triss xxxxxxxxxx to a horse and some other bulls*** lol... btw im hopefull on what CDP will do.The unique way is to ****** in real life, there no one censore you... but they could start, lol.[moderator][MOD] Avoid explicit porn reference please[/moderator]
Okay, I've had sex scenes in Fahrenheit. Which weren't porn. Though the player has to direct the scene. Very niftily done. This game was released in the US as Indigo Prophecy - does anybody know if they cut those scenes in America? Which were just a little gimmick and reward for choosing the right dialogs. And oh my God, you can see David Boreanaz' penis in a movie, big whoop. I can't recall anybody crying about that one. Or about all the things you could see on Queer as Folk. On American TV. That show had a lot of seasons, five I think. It just doesn't need to be a problem. QaF was definitely more challenging on a political level, the sex and nudity were pretty much taking a back seat for the storytelling.What I think is a big problem, is that a lot of guys prefer to live in denial about the fact that they are not the only ones who play games and are visual creatures. But that's just not true anymore. Especially TW has a lot of very loyal female fans. It's a good game, learn to share and get over it, because girls wanna have fun, too. 
And once again, in an RPG, you ARE the hero. You are NOT your own competition.Oh, and to put one thing right: I was never actually saying I couldn't live without seeing Geralt's penis, someone put that into my mouth. I just said that a naked bum would be nice for the sake of equality. And not neccessarily in that one scene we were talking about.
And once again, in an RPG, you ARE the hero. You are NOT your own competition.Oh, and to put one thing right: I was never actually saying I couldn't live without seeing Geralt's penis, someone put that into my mouth. I just said that a naked bum would be nice for the sake of equality. And not neccessarily in that one scene we were talking about.Once people here agree that there isn't really anything wrong or inherently offensive with pixel representations of the naked female or male form, I'm just waiting for the first idiot to ask about the "acceptable size" for Geralt's phallus......that'll stoke the fire a bit more!
Of course, this assumes your audience is entirely straight men, which it's not. Why ONLY play to the straight male perspective? You realize that RPG's, particularly ones with a strong story, are HUGE with women, right? if several female gamers on this very forum can be ok with the female nudity 'competition' in both Witcher games, I think it's time for male gamers to grow up and do the samecurlyhairedboy said:males, being visually oriented, are pretty easy to understand when it comes to arousing images.naked woman = POTENTIAL PARTNER = eagernessnaked man = POTENTIAL COMPETITION = primal hostilityexceptions abound, of course, but in general guys have more fun with erotica when they don't feel they have to compete. (this explains the immense popularity of lesbian porn among straight guys. also, see harem behaviors in other animals such as lions etc. the old chief kicks out any younger males before they can start stealing his females)it's not logical, but there it is.
This. Exactly this. Perfectly logical.RayeGunn said:Of course, this assumes your audience is entirely straight men, which it's not. Why ONLY play to the straight male perspective? You realize that RPG's, particularly ones with a strong story, are HUGE with women, right? if several female gamers on this very forum can be ok with the female nudity 'competition' in both Witcher games, I think it's time for male gamers to grow up and do the same
There's also this unavoidable fact: Mostly men made the game, mostly men will play the game. Triss no doubt has a nicer bum.
went looking for stats. so far I am unable to locate the stats I remember seeing about female RPG gamers specifically, (I think it came from Bioware specifically? I'll keep looking) but did find this:http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_Essential_Facts_2010.PDFwhich shows a steady growth of the female market, which is now 42%, and the gap is steadily narrowing. And no, we're not just talking Farmville or games made specifically for women (which I find patronizing, personally) here. They're specifically talking about BOUGHT games on consoles and/or PC.
Let me get this straight. The ladies here don't actually want to see his unit do they? They just want to know that he's nude in bed with Triss. Correct me if I'm wrong.Would it annoy them if their lovers slept in jammies while they were naked?I'm sure Guipit had no intention of opening such a can of worms, his post is half in jest, but this really has struck a nerve with some people here. So lets take a trip down memory lane: sex cards. Is the new way of depicting romance better or worse?
@DelightfulMcCo...Are u gay? Reading your posts on this topic, indicate this! If you are, that's ok, but you should know that Witcher will never be like Dragon Age 2, and Geralt will never be able to date Zoltan. He's hetero, vast majority of men are hetero, Zoltan's hetero, and straight men don't want to see other men's hairy balls (no matter how big and awesome Geralt's are). Games shouldn't be made for everyone.. they're work of art, and should be the embodiment of designers vision.I can understand girls complaints about this, to some extent (although I don't agree with them), but from a men.. NO!!
*sigh* no, McCoy is a woman. look at the side bar, it's got the little female symbol.
Better, but it has less to do with what's shown than the 'collectible' nature of the sex cards. And no, I'm not after seeing penis, specifically. Just for the two to be treated more or less equal in terms of how they're shown. there are exceptions, like the dryad in TW1, I wouldn't expect Geralt to get nekkid when she was on screen. it made sense for her to be nude from a cultural perspective on her part. Though if there were, say, an Incubus, I'd expect the same treatment as the Succubus is handled in 2.btw. I wish these statistics sites would just separate out 'casual' and 'social' games from their statistics, it's making it difficult to find real numbers. I will acknowledge that most female gamers do play games like these... but most men do, as well, it turns out. World of Warcraft clocks in at the 7th most played game by either gender, following solitaire, pinball, etc. Half-Life 2 doesn't make an appearance till the 10th spot on the men's charts... after Zuma. http://images.digitalmedianet.com/2010/Week_32/15djug7b/story/figure%203.jpg )slimgrin said:
I must apologize for not reading the whole thread. Blood Dragon, a dev, confirmed we will indeed see Geralt without his knickers on.Ladies rejoice.@ n4meless1 - your post made me choke on my coffee, lol.
oh, i personally have absolutely NO issue with seeing geralt's bits - or any guy's - in a video game.RayeGunn said:Of course, this assumes your audience is entirely straight men, which it's not. Why ONLY play to the straight male perspective? You realize that RPG's, particularly ones with a strong story, are HUGE with women, right? if several female gamers on this very forum can be ok with the female nudity 'competition' in both Witcher games, I think it's time for male gamers to grow up and do the sameRayeGunn said:males, being visually oriented, are pretty easy to understand when it comes to arousing images.naked woman = POTENTIAL PARTNER = eagernessnaked man = POTENTIAL COMPETITION = primal hostilityexceptions abound, of course, but in general guys have more fun with erotica when they don't feel they have to compete. (this explains the immense popularity of lesbian porn among straight guys. also, see harem behaviors in other animals such as lions etc. the old chief kicks out any younger males before they can start stealing his females)it's not logical, but there it is.
i was merely trying to shed some light on why some of the less self-aware gentlemen on this board have expressed distaste at the concept. they haven't bothered to approach it in a cerebral fashion, so baser instinctual revulsions tend to surface.
oh, i know. i have a sister that's into anime.
again, i'm not excusing or condoning the behavior, just explaining its origins.
well, this depends on whether or not you can customize the appearance of your hero. if i've got sliders out the wazoo and i can make my character look like me, then sure, that's a valid statement. at other times in games you direct the actions of a predefined character with a predefined appearance. there's a certain element of wish fulfillment that goes on when you get to play as someone who looks superhuman, but that tends to stop abruptly (for men) when you see how you (don't) measure up. those sex minigames in God of War are only fun if you can keep up the illusion that YOU are kratos. if the pants come off and there's a visible difference....suddenly you're back in the real world.
it's very much a messy male identity thing.just as triss doesn't represent the bodies of 90% of the female population, neither does geralt represent 90% of the male population
Yes, you should.And perhaps I'm even gay. With a loooot of exclamationmarks borrowed from your bigoted posting.Any of your business?n4meless1 said:
Why not from a man? Maybe that man just doesn't suffer from unfounded fears but can think straight (no pun intended).
No, games should be only made for straight white male gamers, right? Not for the 46% of female customers, because they would disturb the art. Guess what, we "girls" don't have to agree with you either, we are a commercial force to be reckoned with (the pirate kiddies don't count here). Plus we have the ability to not feel threatened by other people's preferences. We can roleplay and be a whole different person without suffering damage to body or mind. We've evolved, why won't you?Also, next game you play, take the time and read the credits. Might not be the same with a small company like CDPR, but in the major game companies you will find quite a few women - not as many as men, but they are mostly in the leading positions of their respective divisions and are hence the ones who get the last word in. Especially in art and quality divisions. I'm not making that up, sorry to burst your bubble of the superior male.Can we now outgrow the overwhelming homophobia, and barely concealed gay bashing in this thread? Funny, how it became a lot more sexist than the OP ever thought it might. We never said we don't want to endure your boobie obsession anymore, but if we ask the same for ourselves, guys see red and ruffle their feathers. Now the females are "asked" to leave the playing field... if we do that, see how you'll raise the money for the developing of those AAA games.
Oh, bummer. I really liked your base instincts comment and then you go and be insecure because some superhuman has a bigger package than you? Ouch! EVERY person is different, every package is different and who's to say bigger is better anyway? Do women have a nervous breakdown because all the females in games have bigger boobs? Personally, I prefer shapely small ones to those unnatural melons. But I can be empathetic and overlook that for the sake of my fellow male gamers.curlyhairedboy said:well, this depends on whether or not you can customize the appearance of your hero. if i've got sliders out the wazoo and i can make my character look like me, then sure, that's a valid statement. at other times in games you direct the actions of a predefined character with a predefined appearance. there's a certain element of wish fulfillment that goes on when you get to play as someone who looks superhuman, but that tends to stop abruptly (for men) when you see how you (don't) measure up. those sex minigames in God of War are only fun if you can keep up the illusion that YOU are kratos. if the pants come off and there's a visible difference....suddenly you're back in the real world.
*hint hint*And I still think there's a misunderstanding about what role playing means. It's a bit like acting on a stage, you become the character for the time you partake in his adventure. No need to customize the toon to yourself. I like customizing, don't get me wrong. But a hero like Geralt is a specific character that you have to become, not the other way around. Though I might never have played Mass Effect, if I couldn't make a pretty FemShep and a handsome guy, but had to play with that butt ugly DefaultShep. what can i say? we guys are incredibly fragile creatures with tiny delicate egosDelightfulMcCoy said:Oh, bummer. I really liked your base instincts comment and then you go and be insecure because some superhuman has a bigger package than you? Ouch! EVERY person is different, every package is different and who's to say bigger is better anyway? Do women have a nervous breakdown because all the females in games have bigger boobs? Personally, I prefer shapely small ones to those unnatural melons. But I can be empathetic and overlook that for the sake of my fellow male gamers.DelightfulMcCoy said:well, this depends on whether or not you can customize the appearance of your hero. if i've got sliders out the wazoo and i can make my character look like me, then sure, that's a valid statement. at other times in games you direct the actions of a predefined character with a predefined appearance. there's a certain element of wish fulfillment that goes on when you get to play as someone who looks superhuman, but that tends to stop abruptly (for men) when you see how you (don't) measure up. those sex minigames in God of War are only fun if you can keep up the illusion that YOU are kratos. if the pants come off and there's a visible difference....suddenly you're back in the real world.
in regards to roleplaying: games like TW1 where you play as a predefined character are great fun, i didn't intend to elevate customization as some necessary element. i've found geralt's sardonic attitude to be quite entertaining, and from the vids we've seen of him in TW2, that hasn't changed.