Why isn't Ciri nude in the sauna?

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I chose to keep the towel on because I didn't want her injuries to draw more attention and get her into a conversation she didn't really want to discuss. That whole scene from the start was unsual and I didn't know what to think of it at the time. It made sense later of course.
 
Only Ciri is covered up because she is not supposed to be a sex symbol. Why a sauna scene of all things? Because amazingly enough, saunas have cultural significance beyond staring at naked women, they are places traditionally considered to have purifying and healing properties. If you want to recuperate from injury or illness, it's into sauna with you.
Ha-ha, have you been in sauna ever? There is temperature from 85 to 110 degrees Celsius. If you go to sauna cut you'll feel a lot of pain... especially if you splash the water on the hot stones. A LOT of pain.

It is extremely American of you to immediately assume that female nudity can only serve a fanservice function.
Did you even read what I wrote? I said that the scene was censored. I'm all for natural nudity where it's natural. I'm all for sauna scene with nude Ciri and all other women without 20th century underwear bullshit. However, if CDPR didn't want to show Ciri naked then they should have just removed that scene completely. Show it all or show nothing, understand?
 
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Did you even read what I wrote? I said that the scene was censored. I'm all for natural nudity where it's natural. I'm all for sauna scene with nude Ciri and all other women without 20th century underwear bullshit. However, if CDPR didn't want to show Ciri naked then they should have just removed that scene completely because half-arsed coverups leave bad taste in a mouth. What part of show it all or show nothing you don't understand?

Leave it to the modders to remove all those unnecessary panties... ;) I agree they are quite out of place, especially in the sauna scene.
 
Ha-ha, have you been in sauna ever? There is temperature from 85 to 110 degrees Celsius. If you go to sauna cut you'll feel a lot of pain... especially if you splash the water on the hot stones. A LOT of pain.
I am Finnish. I have, in all likelihood, been to sauna more than you have ever in your life. And I know a great deal about the sauna traditions. In the time past, sauna was where you went to give birth, where your body would be washed after you died. It was where you'd sew wounds and sweat out sickness. Sauna is a traditional place of renewal and healing. There is an old saying: "What tar, sauna and liquor can't heal, that will kill you".

Did you even read what I wrote? I said that the scene was censored. I'm all for natural nudity where it's natural. I'm all for sauna scene with nude Ciri and all other women without 20th century underwear bullshit. However, if CDPR didn't want to show Ciri naked then they should have just removed that scene completely. Show it all or show nothing, understand?
And like I said before, they went for a compromise. Ciri wears bandages because she is injured and because the developers did not want to be accused of sexualising a character the player is supposed to view as a daughter. The characters wear panties (which incidentally are a time-honoured part of The Witcher's universe) because otherwise they'd have to choose between very peculiar anatomical omissions and risking an X-rating for their game. I honestly don't see why the matter is so dire that you need to complain about it. If it's porn that you seek then you've got the entire Internet to choose from.
 
And like I said before, they went for a compromise. Ciri wears bandages because she is injured and because the developers did not want to be accused of sexualising a character the player is supposed to view as a daughter. The characters wear panties (which incidentally are a time-honoured part of The Witcher's universe) because otherwise they'd have to choose between very peculiar anatomical omissions and risking an X-rating for their game. I honestly don't see why the matter is so dire that you need to complain about it. If it's porn that you seek then you've got the entire Internet to choose from.

You should really look up definition for "sexualization" and "pornography". Because you obviously misunderstood the concepts I'm afraid. A naked woman in a sauna is neither sexualized nor has it anything to do with porn.

Only teenagers can't seperate pornographhy from the natural depiction of the human body. Sexuality is much more than just having sex...


But I agree that many so called "cultural critics" and most of the rating bodies have no clue about these concepts neither. They too often just blindly follow Amercian puritan views from 17th century, especially in the world of video games. There is a nipple shown? Adult rating! There is a vagina shown? X rating! Because who cares about context...

Shame.
 
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You should really look up definition for "sexualization" and "pornography". Because you obviously misunderstood the concepts I'm afraid. A naked woman in a sauna is neither sexualized nor has it anything to do with porn.

Only teenagers can't seperate pornographhy from the natural depiction of the human body. Sexuality is much more than just having sex...


But I agree that many so called "cultural critics" and most of the rating bodies have no clue about these concepts neither. They too often just blindly follow Amercian puritan views from 17th century, especially in the world of video games. Shame.
The American market is the largest consumer of Witcher 3. Tennagers are the largest demographic of Witcher 3. Therefore CDPR has had to think of both when applying measures of self-censorship.
 
The American market is the largest consumer of Witcher 3. Tennagers are the largest demographic of Witcher 3. Therefore CDPR has had to think of both when applying measures of self-censorship.
Not every American is unable to seperate pornography from natural sexuality. Not every American is a narrow-minded puritan...

And I doubt that for a game that was marketed as "adults only" game from the very beginning should cater to teenagers. If they are indeed the biggest democracy for Witcher 3, then it's not a game made for adults.

And self-cencorship is always bad. There is no excuse for it if you ask me. It's simple surrender to the stupid, the narrow-minded and the fanatical.
 
If it would have to do anything with "censorship" (there actually is an US version for the game anyway), why would the other two women being nude then?

I don't know, why she isn't naked and I don't much care if she is or isn't nude, I think her design is somewhat stupid anyway. She shouldn't wear high heel boots and the stupid half open shit is also unnecessary. I really hope they come up with a decent alternative outfit for her, but since they continue to use the animation, that will have high heels as well.
 
The American market is the largest consumer of Witcher 3. Tennagers are the largest demographic of Witcher 3. Therefore CDPR has had to think of both when applying measures of self-censorship.

Honestly you know how much nudity and romance scenes there are in Witcher 3, I really don't think they cared to much about the demographic of Witcher 3 when it came too that.

As others have stated, I think it was simply more a conscious choice by the developers since she is a daughter figure to Geralt that they perhaps took measures to simply keep it like that. Or we could be entirely over analyzing it and they just didn't think it was a big deal to do the scene like that ;).. lol
 
Not every American is unable to seperate pornography from natural sexuality. Not every American is a narrow-minded puritan...

And I doubt that for a game that was marketed as "adults only" game from the very beginning should cater to teenagers. If they are indeed the biggest democracy for Witcher 3, then it's not a game made for adults.

And self-cencorship is always bad. There is no excuse for it if you ask me. It's simple surrender to the stupid, the narrow-minded and the fanatical.

Self censorship is only bad with irresponsible people... still, it's preferable to state enforced censorship.

That being said, nudity (especially non sexual nudity) should not be subject to censorship... at least not more so then violence.

In regards to Witcher: Even without the awkward panties, almost all nude scenes in the game would be more then tame... aside from one close-up shot of Ciri's thigh, which would be rather explicit would she be fully nude, but even that could be remedied with a little adjusting of viewpoint.
 
Not every American is unable to seperate pornography from natural sexuality. Not every American is a narrow-minded puritan...

And I doubt that for a game that was marketed as "adults only" game from the very beginning should cater to teenagers. If they are indeed the biggest democracy for Witcher 3, then it's not a game made for adults.

And self-cencorship is always bad. There is no excuse for it if you ask me. It's simple surrender to the stupid, the narrow-minded and the fanatical.
Spoken like an artist without any commercial considerations. You can be indignant that other national cultures and people do not share your liberal view on sexuality, but it is up to the commercial forces that are backing the production of the game to take it into consideration. I've heard this debate time and time again by prideful artists who know nothing of the world of commercial success and how people will always have to compromise and find a balance between artistic integrity and sensible business.

Just look at all the immature posts in this forum who are screaming that there wasn't enough sex, that the sex wasn't sexy enough, that it wasn't stimulating enough. Look at all the posts on this very thread who are pushing for Ciri's nudity in order to stare longingly at her virtually created breasts. The market for this video game is clear. Its primary demographic is young men and teenagers who usually have a primitive and repressed understanding between sexuality and nudity. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me for CDPR to sidestep a cultural land-mine of repressed sexuality by covering Ciri up in a towel. It didn't destroy the scene or the game in anyway. And lamenting the loss of complete creative control is to ignore the fact that most modern pieces of art are all commercial products, and that complete creative control went out the window as soon as the first check came in the mail.
 
Only teenagers can't seperate pornographhy from the natural depiction of the human body.
You would be surprised...

Spoken like an artist without any commercial considerations.

How having Ciri topless there would change things since there are other women topless as well? If it is a playable character the rating changes? Is there something I am missing here?

I think the more people are treated like the "primitive and repressed" idiots that they are, odds are that they will keep being that way. Reminds me of Joker in TDK
 
You would be surprised...



How having Ciri topless there would change things since there are other women topless as well? If it is a playable character the rating changes? Is there something I am missing here?

I think the more people are treated like the "primitive and repressed" idiots that they are, odds are that they will keep being that way. Reminds me of Joker in TDK
Bad press, cultural differences and different perceptions of sexuality. The other objects in the sauna are passive and hardly anyone would say they are there to heighten the sexuality of the scene. I could definitely see many American media outlets enraged that there is a game where the player can play as a very young woman in full nude (her age is never mentioned I think) and who is seen first in the game as a child. Sexuality is a topic that is feared and unspoken in American culture and it seems sensible to me for CDPR to simply cover Ciri up a little to avoid inevitable histrionics.
 
You should really look up definition for "sexualization" and "pornography". Because you obviously misunderstood the concepts I'm afraid. A naked woman in a sauna is neither sexualized nor has it anything to do with porn.

It is not me that you have to convince that to, but the wider playerbase and the ratings boards. If CDPR had made Ciri nude for that scene, they would have caught flak for doing that, instead. They can't win, either way, so they picked the less risky route. You need to put yourself into the position of an international game developer that must take into consideration the opinions of people from a far wider range than those from the few countries with an active sauna culture.

You are trying to make a huge deal out of an insignificantly minor detail that people would usually only obsess over if they're far too inclined to stare at CG mammaries for one reason or another. Because otherwise, why does it matter in the slightest?
 
You are trying to make a huge deal out of an insignificantly minor detail that people would usually only obsess over if they're far too inclined to stare at CG mammaries for one reason or another. Because otherwise, why does it matter in the slightest?

Really? You seriously think he or the others, myself included, are discussing this because we want to "stare at CG mammaries"? Damn, we have such weird fetish
 
Really? You seriously think he or the others, myself included, are discussing this because we want to "stare at CG mammaries"? Damn, we have such weird fetish

Don't you know? All those people that watch Game of Thrones or 300 do so exclusively "right handed" too. ;) It couldn't be that adult people enjoy mature storylines which include well done sexual scenes that are aesthetically pleasing as well as explicit... why do I always get the impression it's only a problem with video games? Right, because people can't handle the idea that children might get to see it.

Hate to break it to you, but GoT is watched by 14 year olds too...
 
The Watsonian explanation is that she was wounded and wearing bandages. The Doylist explanation is that the developers did not want to sexualise her character to the players, since we're supposed to view her as a daughter, not a sex-object.

Every woman is someone's daughter, this is unacceptable!
 
Hmm I believe we are supposed to RP as Geralt... I know Geralt doesn't see her in the sauna directly but only we do... But still we are supposed to feel towards Ciri as if she was our grown up daughter... Seeing your own daughter all grown up naked should feel inappropriate... Thus the decision not seeing her naked.
 
Hmm I believe we are supposed to RP as Geralt... I know Geralt doesn't see her in the sauna directly but only we do... But still we are supposed to feel towards Ciri as if she was our grown up daughter... Seeing your own daughter all grown up naked should feel inappropriate... Thus the decision not seeing her naked.

Adopted daughter. *cough*
 
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