Why screw up Dijkstra like that? Spoilers.

[GeraltOakenstick]

Why screw up Dijkstra like that? Spoilers.

So he is one of the most rational and positive political figures in the entire book saga and in the game untill he all of a sudden decides to play an emperor and kill my friends while expecting me just to go away? And when i didn't he thought he could take me and 2 best blue stripes commandos with his crippled self and 3 or 4 random thugs?
I cant say for everyone, but everyone i talked to agreed that CDP played this one out very lame. Even if you turned him to an asshole, might as well do it properly. He could've offer Temeria the exact same thing Nilfgaard have offered them and have temerian guerillas and Roshe at his side and Temeria wouldve been even more free that way. He could've done a lot of things, but eventually came up with retarded idea.

 

[lwp]

This bothered me as well. Dijskstra seems so level headed and then he pulls this crap when he has commandos and a Witcher in his own backyard.

 

[sidv88]

I can't help feeling there was a more involved plot that got cut due to development time constraints. A lot of Act 3 feels rushed.

 

[inanimate_object]

Hmm. I actually have the opposite opinion. I thought the writers completely ruined Djikstra when they made him the petty leader of a crime syndicate while abandoning his defining character trait: unwavering loyalty to his country. Slowly as the game progressed Djikstra was redeemed in my eyes and nothing that he did from that point on seemed to be overly out of character.

 

[GeraltOakenstick]

Hmm. I actually have the opposite opinion. I thought the writers completely ruined Djikstra when they made him the petty leader of a crime syndicate while abandoning his defining character trait: unwavering loyalty to his country. Slowly as the game progressed Djikstra was redeemed in my eyes and nothing that he did from that point on seemed to be overly out of character.

He tried to screw up his associates while he had every option to have them as solid allies, that is very out of character. And THE EXACT way he tried to screw them up is also out of character.

 

[Maerd]

Because the very last part of the game is a shitty mess. Not only this part of the quest is illogical, if you think about it. CDPR clearly ran out of time to the deadline and were just tying ends to finish the game asap regardless of the quests making sense. There is another big thread with a lot of arguments about the logic of events happening after the battle of Kaer Morhen being illogical and badly designed. On the positive side it's rather small percentage of the game to damage the overall game perception.

 

[OutgoingHermit]

Trying to take out Roche and Thaler is smart from his point of view.

Actually being involved in it personally, especially after Geralt says "No way, Jose!" is REALLY stupid. Not even trying to flee or surrender is immersion-breaking stupid.

 

[TheMorbidAtheist]

So he is one of the most rational and positive political figures in the entire book saga and in the game untill he all of a sudden decides to play an emperor and kill my friends while expecting me just to go away? And when i didn't he thought he could take me and 2 best blue stripes commandos with his crippled self and 3 or 4 random thugs?
I cant say for everyone, but everyone i talked to agreed that CDP played this one out very lame. Even if you turned him to an asshole, might as well do it properly. He could've offer Temeria the exact same thing Nilfgaard have offered them and have temerian guerillas and Roshe at his side and Temeria wouldve been even more free that way. He could've done a lot of things, but eventually came up with retarded idea.

Agreed.
Djisktra is arguably the best written character in this game and he is disposed off with an easily made choice.
I am doing my second playthrough now and I just can't imagine myself letting him killing Ves, Roche and Thaler.

 

[TheDespondentMind2]

So he is one of the most rational and positive political figures in the entire book saga and in the game untill he all of a sudden decides to play an emperor and kill my friends while expecting me just to go away? And when i didn't he thought he could take me and 2 best blue stripes commandos with his crippled self and 3 or 4 random thugs?
I cant say for everyone, but everyone i talked to agreed that CDP played this one out very lame. Even if you turned him to an asshole, might as well do it properly. He could've offer Temeria the exact same thing Nilfgaard have offered them and have temerian guerillas and Roshe at his side and Temeria wouldve been even more free that way. He could've done a lot of things, but eventually came up with retarded idea.

Oh dear God, the stupidity of that moment. Why O Why did they do that, it just came out of nowhere and was so horribly done.

 

[Dude27]

Yep it feels like it was cut. Very sad.
Dijkstra just rushes into Geralt and Roche and dies like a retard he never was.
God damn such a good character wasted in such a dumb way

 

[TheDespondentMind2]

I was almost 90% sure, you can make him surrender or anything, I just couldn't believe that his gonna die stupidly like that.

 

[saricc]

His death was pretty stupid, but hos betrayal makes sense to me. Why should he trust the Temerians that are willing to sell themselves out to Nilfgaard? The same people that were willing to sell Redania out in order to become a vassal state? He should have tried to escape, in fact he should not have tried shit until after he knew Geralt was out of the picture. Oh well.

 

[TheDespondentMind2]

If he wanted to rule Redania only I doubt Roche would protest, but he wanted all of the North, which was bat shit Insane.

 

[Vim88pl]

Hmm. I actually have the opposite opinion. I thought the writers completely ruined Djikstra when they made him the petty leader of a crime syndicate while abandoning his defining character trait: unwavering loyalty to his country. Slowly as the game progressed Djikstra was redeemed in my eyes and nothing that he did from that point on seemed to be overly out of character.

I actually loved this.On first look Djikstra was broken guy, who betrayed by his country and his allies because his loyalty, decided to start work for himself. But then slowly we can realize, that Djikstra created crime empire as another tool to work for his country, and still is ready to sacrifice for his country and wider for Nothern Kingdoms. He said himself, that Roche option, saving one kingdom (if becoming vassal is saving) and abondoning few others (Brugge,Aedirn,Dol Blanthe, Free Vergen, Cidaris, Lyria, possible Cintra) is something in which he is not interested. I despite, that Nilfgaard has military advantage, he manage to win a war and achieve total victory - maybe he has some help from military mind absent from the game like Natalis?

 

[carlos2033]

He calls himself a patriot and hater of Nilfgard so why not surrender why let us kill him like nothing, if he is a patriot and love his country like he said why doom her by dying there, he suposed to know that without him his country is destroyed cuz no one is left to lead her, i dont understand why he act so stupid, why he think he can beat witcher with broken leg, he wouldn`t stood a chance in full health.

 

[huseyin18mart]

Yeah it seemed weird to me, you know I'd made fun of those random gangs who attack me on streets, to someone who has battle scars on his face, carries two swords and armed from head to toe lol I can't help but put Dijkstra in the same category with those gangs now and even worse since Roche and Ves are there too. That's a suicidial move by Dijkstra. I'd expect a better move from him if he wanted to kill them (and I kind of liked him so it's a shame I had to kill him)

 

[GeraltOakenstick]

Why should he trust the Temerians that are willing to sell themselves out to Nilfgaard?

He proposed this in a first place..

 

[AVMC]

He could've offer Temeria the exact same thing Nilfgaard have offered them and have temerian guerillas and Roshe at his side and Temeria wouldve been even more free that way. He could've done a lot of things, but eventually came up with retarded idea.

This links in to what is being discussed in the politics thread and, in a more big picture way, the Act 3 hot mess thread.

Sadly, you've got endings directly tied to actions involving this one pivotal scene, and then it's written in one of the strangest ways that CDPR has EVER done for a politics story line.

A huge amount of the motivations just aren't discussed in depth. It's like an, "...and now I reveal my master plan!" moment.

There are just so many 'why's that come out of the whole politic story thread, and not nearly enough time spent on actual motivations. I think Roche is a big one, like you mentioned. Could have been an ally. They could have gone into it. They didn't. There's nothing wrong with NOT exploring story threads and writing the story they want. But it just doesn't feel as satisfying as it would have otherwise.

It's a story line that makes sense if you only follow what is explicitly given to you in the scene. [ie, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain] But it falls apart if you take into consideration established character goals and methods from info you receive outside that quest.

Real quick on outside sources.... I know, people say the books don't count. But somehow we have Ciri, who automagically appears in the third game and we all are REQUIRED to accept book canon to make sense of her presence there.

 

[MistroPain]

So he is one of the most rational and positive political figures in the entire book saga and in the game untill he all of a sudden decides to play an emperor and kill my friends while expecting me just to go away? And when i didn't he thought he could take me and 2 best blue stripes commandos with his crippled self and 3 or 4 random thugs?
I cant say for everyone, but everyone i talked to agreed that CDP played this one out very lame. Even if you turned him to an asshole, might as well do it properly. He could've offer Temeria the exact same thing Nilfgaard have offered them and have temerian guerillas and Roshe at his side and Temeria wouldve been even more free that way. He could've done a lot of things, but eventually came up with retarded idea.

That entire quest was messed up.
Apparently a King, raised and taught by both Djikstra and Philipa, is stupid enough to fall for such a silly trap, not to mention, how the F did so many commandos hide themselves on ONE bridge? And when the King says 'bring all of them', he brought like 10 men!?
The Djikstra part was, in my eyes, a silly conclusion, but not the worst part at all. Not to mention, a dead Radovid seems to have no impact on Novigrad immediately after. I'd expect masses to blame non-humans more so than usual, to walk out of Novigrad and see the outskirts pillaged and burnt, and see dwarves and elves hanging on a good number of corners, but no... By far in my eyes the most disappointing quest.

 

[OutgoingHermit]

Radovid's hatred for Philippa is completely irrational. He blames Philippa for murdering his father, ruining his life, etc. I could absolutely see Radovid losing it when he learns that Philippa is nearby and vulnerable.

The Dijkstra thing though still puzzles me. Even something as simple as waiting for Geralt to leave and THEN killing Roche/Thaler would have made way more sense.