Why W2 is better than DA2

[Aaden]

The problem is there is a lot of fans praising DA2 as it is, so they still make money on it. Hence they will keep making them

For compared to DAO, DA2 was a step backwards in many things

Maybe they are making money with it. But the sales figures still are very clear: sales declined DRASTICALLY after 1-2 weeks and overall sales are way below DA:O. DA2 sold half the number of copies in the first ten weeks and only a third overall. I think (or hope?) they understood the lesson.

Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age II on vgchartz. Xbox 360 version figures because it's the strongest platform (others further down the pages).

 

[Anwell]

Maybe they are making money with it. But the sales figures still are very clear: sales declined DRASTICALLY after 1-2 weeks and overall sales are way below DA:O. DA2 sold half the number of copies in the first ten weeks and only a third overall. I think (or hope?) they understood the lesson.

Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age II on vgchartz. Xbox 360 version figures because it's the strongest platform (others further down the pages).

I really hope they did learn their lesson. I am glad the sales went down, should discourage them for selling rushed products. I wasnt aware of the offical figures.

 

[TheMajorBeef]

I dont think Witcher 3 will come out.

 

[Rato]

I felt like being on your skin "digby69" because i did EXACTLY what you did and felt EXACTLY the same way.

 

[Anwell]

I dont think Witcher 3 will come out.

Now why would you say that?
I know it will someday, it has too But only when its good and ready

 

[digby69]

I felt like being on your skin "digby69" because i did EXACTLY what you did and felt EXACTLY the same way.

Cheers

 

[digby69]

I dont think Witcher 3 will come out.

Now why would you go and say something like that

 

[Garrison72]

Bioware shouldn't copy CDPR, what they should do is take more time to make a good core story with some god dammit new environments. People seem to forget that the good things about bioware are the customization of your character and the companions, which are the positive point of the game. I do not get the hate for the bisexual characters, at least they did no give me some strange vibes that "we hate gays" and I got that vibe from TW 2, hope it isn't true.

By the way the TW lore is as cliche as DA, people outside of some countries in Europe are just not use to that kind of thing and find it new of course but I do like the moral system of TW a lot more.

CDPR isn't trying to cater to gays or to anyone. They are making their game. Bioware casts the net so wide they are sacrificing characterization, consistancy, depth of story. They'll retcon anything to broaden their fanbase. Compared to CDPR, Bioware is verging on becoming the Michael Bay of RPG developers.

 

[Rovlad]

^ Exactly. Fan service is the worst kind of universe expansion there is.

 

[Mihura]

CDPR isn't trying to cater to gays or to anyone. They are making their game. Bioware casts the net so wide they are sacrificing characterization, consistancy, depth of story. They'll retcon anything to broaden their fanbase. Compared to CDPR, Bioware is verging on becoming the Michael Bay of RPG developers.

Really? and I am being honest, do you really believe that the devs in CDPR are not catering to anyone?

^ Exactly. Fan service is the worst kind of universe expansion there is.

Eh? are you saying that TW 2 have no fanservice? did you see the marketing with Triss and the first scene of the game? or that every female in the game have cleavage? really LOL

 

[Garrison72]

I think if they want to throw cleavage and sexy lesbians in the game, it's because they wanted to, not because they thought it would attract more of any specific demographic. Bioware on the other hand tries to please everyone. They are seeking to cater, changing content so that more people can play a diluted game.

 

[Mihura]

I think if they want to throw cleavage and sexy lesbians in the game, it's because they wanted to, not because they thought it would attract more of any specific demographic. Bioware on the other hand tries to please everyone. They are seeking to cater, changing content so that more people can play a diluted game.

Hum so why can people in bioware do the same? why are you assuming CDPR is doing that for giggles and bioware isn't doing the same? give me one example. By the way is only fanservice when the game does something that is not related to the plot and serve no purpose at all. Why they want to put sexy lesbians and cleavage? is the game going to be bad without it?

 

[Blothulfur]

It's the witcher: bastards, breasts and bloodied swords. A tale of high passions and the beliefs that drive the great and good to deeds both heavenly and heinous, a colourful and lusty romp set in a medieval paradise that Chaucer would know and love for its brutal yet beautiful splendour where the dirt on the white wolfs face cannot hide his lusty grin or the sparkle in his eyes.

Comparing our vibrant, mature, intelligent, glamorous and choice driven tale to the pointless hawke and his band of idle brain dead losers bumbling around the grey dead city of berkwall through yet more waves of tedious awesome button combat against parachuting ninjas is pointless because the fact is The witcher is considerably better. Dragon age 2 is an abomination that's dragging the whole genre back with its hawkeosexual companions and determination to let no choice of the character matter other than who he decides to mount, crap is crap.

 

[Garrison72]

Hum so why can people in bioware do the same? why are you assuming CDPR is doing that for giggles and bioware isn't doing the same? give me one example. By the way is only fanservice when the game does something that is not related to the plot and serve no purpose at all. Why they want to put sexy lesbians and cleavage? is the game going to be bad without it?

It wouldn't be The Witcher. As Guynwah said in another post, TW2 doesn't tiptoe around the politically correct boundary, it doesn't meekly throw in nudity or sex; it does it with reckless abandon. No blushing or childish tittering here. Bioware did nudity...once. They do sex...in armor, they swear once in a while and it mostly feels out of place in a universe - take your choice, ME or DA - that is designed with adolescents and young adults in mind, a much larger demographic. Their overall conservative approach makes what sex they do depict seem juvenile ( with the exception of ME1.)

I'd argue that TW2's extreme content is more likely to alienate gamers than draw them in.

 

[Mihura]

This post has spoilers...

It's the witcher: bastards, breasts and bloodied swords. A tale of high passions and the belisfs that drive the great and good to deeds both heavenly and heinous, a colourful and lusty romp set in a medieval paradise that Chaucer would know and love for its brutal yet beautiful splendour where the dirt on the white wolfs face cannot hide his lusty grin or the sparkle in his eyes.

Comparing our vibrant, mature, intelligent, glamorous and choice driven tale to the pointless hawke and his band of idle brain dead losers bumbling around the grey dead city of berkwall through yet more waves of tedious awesome button combat against parachuting ninjas is pointless because the fact is The witcher is considerably better. Dragon age 2 is an abomination that's dragging the whole genre back with its hawkeosexual companions and determination to let no choice of the character matter other than who he decides to mount, crap is crap.

Hum I can agree with the witcher 2 being superior on a technical lvl but it is a lot less stable. The whole tedious awesome button could be said to the witcher 2 if I am on a easier lvl but I do like the combat of TW 2 a lot more.
I don't get the whole "Hawke sexuality", he is gay sometimes and he is hetero others, so what? how is that a bad thing? and how is that different from other bioware games? I mean you can just not do any romance and TW 2 makes you romance Triss at the begging, so having choices is bad?
Yes DA 2 is a lot more linear then DA:O but so is TW 2, whatever Geralt do with one companion or another still has the same results and he can only change minor things, the Dragon is still controlled by Philipa, Roche still saves the princess, Triss always lives... etc, so what's the point of choosing?

It wouldn't be The Witcher. As Guynwah said in another post, TW2 doesn't tiptoe around the politically correct boundary, it doesn't meekly throw in nudity or sex; it does it with reckless abandon. No blushing or childish tittering here. Bioware did nudity...once. They do sex...in armor, they swear once in a while and it mostly feels out of place in a universe - take your choice, ME or DA - that is designed with adolescents and young adults in mind, a much larger demographic. Their overall conservative approach makes what sex they do depict seem juvenile ( with the exception of ME1.)

Do you mean pants_geralt? that sure was funny, sorry but a mature game has nothing to do with boobs, sex and swearing and if TW 2 didn't had that it would still be a great game because it was all about the difficult moral choices and not the fanservice. You did not give me a specific scene in DA 2 that had fanservice, if getting slaves and selling them, killing your own sister and agreeing with terrorists is political correctness well I guess we have different concept then.

I'd argue that TW2's extreme content is more likely to alienate gamers than draw them in.

That's not true, tv series like Game of Thrones and Spartacus would not be famous, most of the games sales come from the console market and that is the reason why TW 2 is a console game. So in the end CDPR and Bioware are not that different, CDPR is only at the begging let's wait and see.

 

[Blothulfur]

Linear: Well the fact I could save a kings life or aid in his defeat, the fact I could slay Bernard Loredo or leave him still in power by saving a few elven lasses, the fact I could leave prince Stennis to the mob or save him and see him become a king, the fact that Aryan LaValette lives or dies by my decision or that I can decide who rules in Temeria come the conference at Loc Muinne, the fact that I can let Letho walk away or any of dozens more choices i'm presented would say to me that you've not played the same game. Unlike the rise to moronic boss battle we have choice and consequence in the witcher.

As for every companion being hawkeosexual, it's pandering to the audience by not giving anybody a set sexuality. If they're gay make them gay or bi sexual or straight and let it impact what little character we can see from the few lines they'll parrot when you try to talk to them over the decade you spend in berkwall, sexuality is a large part of a personality and when it's a purely reactive choice that makes for poor writing and thin characters as is all too evident in dargon age 2.

I didn't romance Triss, I ploughed her just as Geralt in the books occasionally does. They're friends that's all. Yeah and my Geralt just pulled his kegs down when he ploughed her, then pulled them back up after happy time, he didn't keep his clothing and armour on throughout while spouting cheesy inanities.

Oh and none of the Witcher 2 sales have come from console, i've got no idea where you've get that from.

 

[Mihura]

Linear: Well the fact I could save a kings life or aid in his defeat, the fact I could slay Bernard Loredo or leave him still in power by saving a few elven lasses, the fact I could leave prince Stennis to the mob or save him and see him become a king, the fact that Aryan LaValette lives or dies by my decision or that I can decide who rules in Temeria come the conference at Loc Muinne, the fact that I can let Letho walk away or any of dozens more choices i'm presented would say to me that you've not played the same game. Unlike the rise to moronic boss battle we have choice and consequence in the witcher.

As for every companion being hawkeosexual, it's pandering to the audience by not giving anybody a set sexuality. If they're gay make them gay or bi sexual or straight and let it impact what little character we can see from the few lines they'll parrot when you try to talk to them over the decade you spend in berkwall, sexuality is a large part of a personality and when it's a purely reactive choice that makes for poor writing and thin characters as is all too evident in dargon age 2.

I didn't romance Triss, I ploughed her just as Geralt in the books occasionally does. They're friends that's all. Yeah and my Geralt just pulled his kegs down when he ploughed her, then pulled them back up after happy time, he didn't keep his clothing and armour on throughout while spouting cheesy inanities.

Oh and none of the Witcher 2 sales have come from console, i've got no idea where you've get that from.

Linear: you can be on the side of the templars or on the side of the mages and in the process kill the templars because the mages of starkhaven want to escaped or decide to trow them to the circle, you can decide not to help Isabela and in the end fight the qunari, you can even give Isabela to the qunari, you can do a similar things with Fenris and let him kill his sister or even give him to his slaver master, you can decide to help the elf with strange powers or make him tranquil, you can refuse to help Anders and even make him go away same to other characters, you can even kill him in the end or make him atone for what he has done, you can even kill Merril's entire clan, you can spare DePuis and later make him tell you the true about the killer...etc I can say the same and assume we did not play the same game.

I get it, so you only disagree with changing sexuality depending on the gender of hawke? but that is only true to Anders, so according to your logic Anders is the only bad written character.

The same happen with DA 2 hawke ploughed anders and they dress after that so they were naked but we did not see it. By the way, how do you know that Geralt and Triss are friends? that was in the begging of the game and was never explained. There are even people who romance Shani in TW 1 that were not happy about that forced romance, because they had no choice.

No what I was saying is that most of the games in general sell better on consoles and are more popular if they have a console version that is why there is going to be a console version of the witcher 2. I remember CDPR saying that TW 2 was going to be an exclusive PC game.

 

[Blothulfur]

The retarded and over sentimental unchanging plot of dragon age 2 is a piece of linear crap where you can nevcer make any changes or show any spark of intelligence, just endless waves of "awesome" button combat by a moron who can't achieve anything. Mage or templar same differnce come final boss battle and any input into the situation is invalidated because you are forced into slaughtering everybody, give Isabelllla to the qunari and she's free a few days later, Fenris affects nothing same as all the companions bar Anders, fade kid that was painfully crap, Anders whatever you do still blows up the chantry, welsh pedo elf such a dumb situation i'm not even going to comment, Thriller mum you can't affect one mite neither. Every choice you make in dragon age is invalidated because bioware refuses to let you play a game, they're wanting to make a barely interactive movie of an impotent loser and the bunch of arseholes blundering after him.

Companion should have set sexualities, not react to the player character.

Triss and Geralt are friends because they are and always have been, you can pick this up from the first game or decide on it in Assassins of Kings or read the books, just because people plough it doesn't mean they're in love (Though Triss is) and it doesn't mean that Geralt didn't romance Shani because the white wolf's a bit of a slut anyway.

 

[Garrison72]

I for one am betting TW2 will sell less on console than pc.

 

[Mihura]

The retarded and over sentimental unchanging plot of dragon age 2 is a piece of linear crap where you can nevcer make any changes or show any spark of intelligence, just endless waves of "awesome" button combat by a moron who can't achieve anything. Mage or templar same differnce come final boss battle and any input into the situation is invalidated because you are forced into slaughtering everybody, give Isabelllla to the qunari and she's free a few days later, Fenris affects nothing same as all the companions bar Anders, fade kid that was painfully crap, Anders whatever you do still blows up the chantry, welsh pedo elf such a dumb situation i'm not even going to comment, Thriller mum you can't affect one mite neither. Every choice you make in dragon age is invalidated because bioware refuses to let you play a game, they're wanting to make a barely interactive movie of an impotent loser and the bunch of arseholes blundering after him.

In the Iorveth path you help Philippa with the spell on Saskia and the boss is the dragon, that makes sense but if I choose the Roche path and have the rose, why is the Dragon still the boss? Geralt being there does not influence this fact so why is he there? what's the point of all that choices? In the end you know why you are really there and that is to clear the mist with different methods depend on the side. The only choice that is kinda blind, is depend on the side and it makes Henselt or Saskia win. Why can't I remain neutral, just like in TW 1.

One thing that I was expecting, is when I got to the other side with Roche you could not choose to fight on Saskia side and help Zoltan, Geralt is only concerned do find Sile. You still can help Iorveth but that doesn't change the outcome of the battle. Most of the boss fights are scripted, when you get the trap for the Kayran the only thing it does is cutting one arm of it, I was expecting more and the same goes for the dragon. The only thing that you really choose is with Letho. I was expecting the chapter 3 to reflect all my choices in a great scale, so it was really disappointed, TW 1 was better in that regard.

Companion should have set sexualities, not react to the player character.

Yes I can agree with this but that happen only with one character, you are making a hyperbole out of it and again you can just ignore the romance.

Triss and Geralt are friends because they are and always have been, you can pick this up from the first game or decide on it in Assassins of Kings or read the books, just because people plough it doesn't mean they're in love (Though Triss is) and it doesn't mean that Geralt didn't romance Shani because the white wolf's a bit of a slut anyway.

Maybe that is your Geralt and it is cool but I am only talking about the games and no, there are people you were confused in the beginning of the game when you romance Shani in TW 1, there isn't even one reference to her romance it's like she never existed. There are even people who didn't romance anyone. There is something about Adda, Thaler, Rayla, Yaevinn, there is even Siegfried in the end, so the devs did take that choice away from the players and it is a hole in the story.

I for one am betting TW2 will sell less on console than pc.

Well most of the time that isn't true but with all the problems with the console version, I suppose that can happen.