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Why Witchers Dont Hunt Humans as well as Monsters?

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Lanaya

Senior user
#1
Mar 16, 2013
Why Witchers Dont Hunt Humans as well as Monsters?

This cant really be a spoiler since its like back ground lore but for those that dont know:

"The cataclysm commonly known as the Conjunction of the Spheres happened one and a half millennia ago. A cosmic collision of several parallel universes, this disaster left numerous creatures not native to our reality trapped here. For example, ghouls and graveirs, which lack their own ecological niches are simply relics of the Conjunction.

The elves claim that humans also arrived in this world during the Conjunction. This occurred soon after they managed to destroy their own world. The elves claim that it was during the Conjunction that humans learned to use magic.
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Although humans may disagree - there is some evidence that the elder races inhabited teh land long bfore human even existed. There also seems to be no evidence or mention of cave men or primitive humans. Of course I know that absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence but still is someting to consider.

Anyway, what im trying to get at is that humans are abominations of this dimension and are equally monsters that do more damage to the land than the actual monsters. So why the witchers wont kill and hunt the humans equally? after all, their job is to kill the monsters that "don't belong in this realm". It would solve many of the problems. I always stood against the humans for that reason.

Now there is also the fact that Witchers are humans transformed, but after the transformation they are no longer human and thus their priorities change - similar concept to how vampires are, when someone is turned, humans are considered blood bags. right?

im confused. can someone clarify that for me.
Thanks in advance. :)

P.S. By hunt I mean to kill and massacre all of them :)
 
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KnightofPhoenix

Rookie
#2
Mar 16, 2013
Same reason Witchers don't kill dragons and trolls if they can help it. They are sentient beings.
 

Agent_Blue

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#3
Mar 16, 2013
KnightofPhoenix said:
Same reason Witchers don't kill dragons and trolls if they can help it. They are sentient beings.
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Never imagined Witchers were Buddhists.
 
Garrison72

Garrison72

Mentor
#4
Mar 16, 2013
AgentBlue said:
Never imagined Witcher were Buddhists.
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In blood of Elves Geralt lectures Ciri about the importance of neutrality and you can just hear the monk in him.
 
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Blothulfur

Mentor
#5
Mar 16, 2013
Tradition and who would pay?

But far greater monsters are the elves who are also not native to the Witchers world, and whom come from a race who have commited genocide on entire worlds, the Aard Gaethe was closed to them for their multidimensional slaughter (probably leaving the Aen Seidhe trapped on this world.)
 
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blackgriffin

Senior user
#6
Mar 16, 2013
from the title i thought you meant them hunting wanted humans like headhunters that would be kind of cool
 
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Lanaya

Senior user
#7
Mar 16, 2013
KnightofPhoenix said:
Same reason Witchers don't kill dragons and trolls if they can help it. They are sentient beings.
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But isn't that a choice? for all we know, the nekkers living outside the city could have just been living their lives, having families and they were tryin to offer me a hug before I slashed them with my sword. Hek, that small neker could have been someone's son :(

I agree that the same stand for humans, but humans are doing nothing but waging wars and sheding blood. Thats why at first killing all the kings was actually reasonable to me. They should die - specially foltest for killing people over his own incestuous desires.

KnightofPhoenix said:
Tradition and who would pay?

But far greater monsters are the elves who are also not native to the Witchers world, and whom come from a race who have commited genocide on entire worlds, the Aard Gaethe was closed to them for their multidimensional slaughter (probably leaving the Aen Seidhe trapped on this world.)
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HOLDA-HOLDA-HOLD-UP if elves are also outcasts . . . . then who are the natives???

KnightofPhoenix said:
from the title i thought you meant them hunting wanted humans like headhunters that would be kind of cool
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I thought the same a few years ago, but then I realize it would change who geralt is, I thought he is a main monster slayer than to involve itself with human affairs, unless that human (bounty) is actually using monsters to comit a crime? robbing a bank with nekkers maybe? lol
 
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KnightofPhoenix

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#8
Mar 16, 2013
Mvc9 said:
But isn't that a choice? for all we know, the nekkers living outside the city could have just been living their lives, having families and they were tryin to offer me a hug before I slashed them with my sword. Hek, that small neker could have been someone's son :(/>
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That doesn't make them sapient.


HOLDA-HOLDA-HOLD-UP if elves are also outcasts . . . . then who are the natives???
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Dwarves, gnomes.
 
wichat

wichat

Mentor
#9
Mar 16, 2013
Witchers are not train to kill any living thing that may discern between good and evil and therefore can communicate rationally (one definition of intelligence almost touching Asimov's ideas in his book The Bicentennial Man). The definition of monster is clear to Geralt, so much so that it does not kill Dunny when he hears him speaking with sense. Geralt kills intelligent creatures only if they show clear evidence of harm or be dangerous to other people.
Dragons are the ranks highest intelligence, Trolls are the lowest. In between these two are vampires, succubulus, etc ...
 
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nocny.945

Forum veteran
#10
Mar 16, 2013
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And who is to judge which one is bad and which is good? For example, I have a different idea about certain things than 99% of the people on this forum. Especially those from Western Europe and the USA. So if I'm a monster and I should die?

People are evil because they kill, so let's be good and kill those who are evil? Yes?
 
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Cs__sz__r

Rookie
#11
Mar 16, 2013
KnightofPhoenix said:
That doesn't make them sapient.




Dwarves, gnomes.
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And possibly Vran.


Witchers were also created for the purpose of of protecting mankind from dragons and other monsters. It was them who decided to stop going after dragons due to their nearly extinct population. As far as sentinent beings being killed, that is up to the witcher for there is no code, Geralt made his own code up.

And as to hunting humans, sure they can if they want. Just like when Geralt picks up the warrant for the Professor. I'm sure they could do it if it was by contract of course. They fo carry steel sword for a reason.
 
Aver

Aver

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#12
Mar 16, 2013
nocny said:
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And who is to judge which one is bad and which is good? For example, I have a different idea about certain things than 99% of the people on this forum. Especially those from Western Europe and the USA. So if I'm a monster and I should die?

People are evil because they kill, so let's be good and kill those who are evil? Yes?
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I liked your posts in the past, but nowadays, in more and more of your posts, you add this real-world politics and now you are talking like martyr.
 
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vivaxardas2015

Rookie
#13
Mar 16, 2013
The witchers are not serial killers, or on a power trip, or want to make the world a better place. They are exterminators for hire, as those we hire to get rid of mice or roaches in our houses. But they are not indoctrinated only into killing monsters. Some of them like Letho are perfectly OK with assassinating people they do not know and do not have any emotional or other involvement is. Like any ordinary contract killer in our world. Others like Gerald try to keep to their original purpose and do not take any contracts on humans or other sapient creatures (unless proven evil). They very wisely do not pass moral judgements, because in many cases it is extremely hard to do with any certainty. Personally I am agnostic about even existence of any objective moral properties and facts in the world.
No different from our world, really. They make a choice what to do with their lives, and what jobs to pick on their chosen path.
 
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nocny.945

Forum veteran
#14
Mar 16, 2013
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Geralt does not accept orders to kill people. The steel sword is also on the monsters, but not magical creatures. Geralt always talk about it. He repeated that the steel sword is also on the monsters. TW1 little better reflect this fact.

Unfortunately TW2 is more simplified. Steel sword for humans and silver for monsters. I would like to in TW3 steel sword was for non-magical creatures.

That's why games are not canon for me ..
 
Garrison72

Garrison72

Mentor
#15
Mar 16, 2013
You can use both swords on both types in both games. It's a matter of whats most effective.
 
Aditya

Aditya

Forum veteran
#16
Mar 16, 2013
in TW1 I remember someone making a comment that the steel is for humans and silver is for monsters to which he immediately cut in saying 'Both are for monsters.'
By that simple sentence, can hold multiple meanings all being true, that both swords can be used on anytime (as slim pointed out matter of effectiveness) and also implies just because you're a being in the human species doesn't mean you're not a monster. Ya I agree TW2 didn't emphasize on this nor on many other 'witcher' aspects for that matter. Expecting the best of both, all and more in TW3
 
wichat

wichat

Mentor
#17
Mar 16, 2013
nocny said:
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And who is to judge which one is bad and which is good?
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:confused:/>/>/>
Who does say anything like? I thinkg they are neutral because they don't believe they can judge anyother.

nocny said:
For example, I have a different idea about certain things than 99% of the people on this forum. Especially those from Western Europe and the USA. So if I'm a monster and I should die?
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No need to take out of context the Geralt's reasons to kill a monster. We are at the XXIst century...

nocny said:
People are evil because they kill, so let's be good and kill those who are evil? Yes?
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Again...:confused:/>

Depend about laws and rules. In time of Geralt if you kill you would killed. Talion's law.Geralt kills dangerous monsters which have proven they are killing inhabitants. Even in books Geralt investigates if the monster really is guilty or are fables of the people. I don't know why are you saying that.... />

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Please, the style of life in Geralt world doesn't be for make apologize of violence or intransigence. It only reflects an older past. Its PEGI is for mature people who are able to understand this and make the difference between then and our reality.
 
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Sirnaq

Rookie
#18
Mar 16, 2013
Mvc9 said:
This cant really be a spoiler since its like back ground lore but for those that dont know:



Although humans may disagree - there is some evidence that the elder races inhabited teh land long bfore human even existed. There also seems to be no evidence or mention of cave men or primitive humans. Of course I know that absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence but still is someting to consider.

Anyway, what im trying to get at is that humans are abominations of this dimension and are equally monsters that do more damage to the land than the actual monsters. So why the witchers wont kill and hunt the humans equally? after all, their job is to kill the monsters that "don't belong in this realm". It would solve many of the problems. I always stood against the humans for that reason.

Now there is also the fact that Witchers are humans transformed, but after the transformation they are no longer human and thus their priorities change - similar concept to how vampires are, when someone is turned, humans are considered blood bags. right?

im confused. can someone clarify that for me.
Thanks in advance. :)/>/>/>/>/>

P.S. By hunt I mean to kill and massacre all of them :)/>/>/>/>/>
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Witchers were created by humans to protect humans from everything that humans couldn't deal with, that's it. Also notice that elves are also foreign to witcher world. Only dwarves, gnoms and vrans were original. Elves arrived on white ships, exterminated vrans and after that humans crushed with their metal ship during conjuration, some of them become first mages at that time. I think those first mages taught another generation of mages all these things about genetics and other technologies.
 
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jorg

Forum regular
#19
Mar 16, 2013
hi everyone, i've been ghosting witcher forums for a long time but never felt the need to post before.
now as for op's question, if i remember my witcher lore correctly, witchers are humans who are mutated specifically by wizards to protect other humans from monsters that arrived during comjunction of spheres.
my point here is that the word "monster" already has specific definition and is not per se very open to interpretation, of course, geralt being geralt has his own unique version of the witcher's path and improvises its meaning according to the situation, but the fact remains if witchers went around grouping humans with "monsters" and killing them all the same, this would be directly in conflict with the very purpose for which they were created, wouldn't it? :confused:/>
 
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Preserver

Rookie
#20
Mar 17, 2013
KnightofPhoenix said:
Same reason Witchers don't kill dragons and trolls if they can help it. They are sentient beings.
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The reason is not the same.
for trolls, the answer is just because they're mostly peaceful beings and Geralt has been seemed to like the idea of avoiding unnecessary conflict.
but for dragons, well it's totally different.
witchers believe dragons to be noble creatures and thus they don't set out for hunting them.

dragons are specially interesting because in medieval Europe and sometimes in modern days, dragons are depicted as evil beings and in many texts it has been suggested as Lucifer the fallen angel himself !
but eastern people believe dragons to be divine guardians, very close to the witcher's belief.
 
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