Will the MODKit eventually become an "editor" like REDKit?

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

This is all we're going to get. I honestly think they don't have the time and manpower to do a full modding kit, but their comment about not wanting to 'partition' the Witcher community only means less PC/modding support in the future.

For the reference, one of the Unity engine developers ported their editor to Linux in his spare time (and it became their official Linux version eventually). If some modders inside CDPR will really want, they can make an editor too. It would be the question of CDPR willing to release it.

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I can only think of two possible outcomes.

1) RedKit 2 is coming but it's still far away (mid-late 2016), in PR talks "not planning" doesn't always mean never going to happen, isn't that the same they said about New Game + ? See how that turned out.

If it's still planned, what's the reason not to say so explicitly?

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The really sad thing is not even the lack of the REDkit itself but CDPR's piss poor communication.

+ many and many. This is happening not only with modding tools, but practically with most topics. Community is simply left in the dark. I really appreciate how studios which crowdfund their projects communicate. They are open and forthcoming, because they know that their relation with community is important for their success. I don't get that feeling with CDPR.

 

[berserker66666]

The biggest sign was them firing all the staff that have developed The Witcher 1 and 2, this new version of CPDR has been hell bent on reeling in console players and the casual gamer.

I didn't know that. I read somewhere about ex-CDPR members making an isometric RPG inspired by the Thief series but now it makes sense. Why did they fire them? Maybe they wanted to support PC gamers first and foremost and/or tried to object about other staff members lying about Witcher 3 stuff and got fired for it?

Well folks it pains me to see the once mighty PC focused developer CDPR fall. They can make an amazing product but this kind of behavior (lying) and not supporting the community and No REDKIT even after they said they would give....people will lose faith in CDPR and their future products/statements.

 

[Sneky]

I didn't know that.

Because its not true, some staff left CDPR yes, but not even close to *ALL* after W1 and W2 because they had financial problems. From what i read some of the devs after few years returned to Cdpr for W3. Anyway, i hope we will get RedKit after expansion packs when they manage to fix RedEngine because right now the engine doesnt work properly even in the main game...

 

[berserker66666]

some staff left CDPR yes, but not even close to *ALL* after W1 and W2 because they had financial problems

You know.....I don't understand. Why does good companies like CDPR have financial trouble while crap companies like EA, Ubisoft and Activision swims in cash? It's sad really. Where's all the hardcore gamers at to support good companies?

 

[dragonbird]

One post and the replies to it have just been deleted. And a reminder - attacking other forum members is NEVER acceptable in these forums.

 

[Scholdarr.452]

point fingers at them and therefore creating an unpleasant relationship beween company and fans.

People only point with their fingers at them BECAUSE they don't care about their community at all (at least that's the impression I have). People would imo be MUCH more understanding if CDPR just had the balls to stand up for their failures and honstely state the reasons why there won't be any REDkit (at least not in the next months or maybe never). People are not only disappointed because there is no REDkit. People are also diappointed because CDPR doesn't show any real effort to explain the situation to them. It's the same situation as with the graphical downgrade thing again. That has nothing to do with "whining" or "hating", it's just natural disappointment if you look forward to something that was kind of promised and is just cancelled, and then even without any explanation or aplogy for their loyal fanbase at all. And you wonder why people are sad and even upset? I don't get it.

(short notice: If you want to stay on this forum any longer I'd advise you to quickly remove all personal insults and all dismissive parts. Just a hint, no offense...)

 

[Mezziaz]

The biggest sign was them firing all the staff that have developed The Witcher 1 and 2

Where did you read this?

I was under the impression that much of the Witcher 2 team are currently working on Cyberpunk.

 

[Scholdarr.452]

Where did you read this?

I was under the impression that much of the Witcher 2 team are currently working on Cyberpunk.

Well, the important thing is that a lot of the original staff didn't work on TW3.

 

[berserker66666]

People only point with their fingers at them BECAUSE they don't care about their community at all (at least that's the impression I have). People would imo be MUCH more understanding if they just had the balls to stand up for their failures and honstely state the reasons why there won't be any REDkit (at least not in the next months or maybe never). People are not only disappointed because there is no REDkit. People are also diappointed because CDPR doesn't show any real effort to explain the situation to them. That has nothing to do with "whining" or "hating", it's just natural disappointment if you look forward to something that was kind of promised and is just cancelled, and then even without any explanation or aplogy for their loyal fanbase. And you wonder why people are sad and even upset? I don't get it.

THIS. Times a thousand percent. And what's more shocking is it's CDPR. If it was any other company/developer people would've even care BUT IT'S CDPR DAMN IT. It's very unlikely of them to be so....secretive/misleading.

 

[web-head91]

THIS. Times a thousand percent. And what's more shocking is it's CDPR. If it was any other company/developer people would've even care BUT IT'S CDPR DAMN IT. It's very unlikely of them to be so....secretive/misleading.

here's something more insulting. the MODkit is so bare minimum, that they didn't both making a UI, and a fan did the work for them, as usual:
http://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/383/?
i mean, are they even trying in the first place ?

 

[berserker66666]

here's something more insulting. the MODkit is so bare minimum, that they didn't both making a UI, and a fan did the work for them, as usual:
http://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/383/?
i mean, are they even trying in the first place ?

LOL yea I saw. Good on that guy and to CDPR.........I have nothing to say. Seriously. SMDH.

 

[TelandorSortas]

Funny Fact #2:
customers/fans calling the cdpr guys liars and creating random conspiracy theories are welcome.
Fans/customers arguing with other fans about those accusations will be "corrected".

#double standards

Keep on making fun of cdpr.
Keep spreading negative vibes thats going to solve problems!

And most of all keep on creating ridiciulous reasons why things turned out to be how they are. _That_ is highly entertaining.

 

[RichEdmonds]

:scaredpeasant:You know what, guys? I'm just glad those outside the Witcher community don't believe us to be absolutely insane... at least we have our dignity! Politely suggesting to CDPR to consider releasing advanced modding tools.

:wazzzup: But, masterrrrrr.

:scaredpeasant:Not now, Dinglebat!

:wazzzup: ...

:scaredpeasant:I'm just explaining to my fellow chums how we're fully representing the Witcher community with pride, absolute patience and understanding... and...


:wazzzup: But you really must see this!

:scaredpeasant:Fine, what is it?

:wazzzup:http://www.polygon.com/2015/8/15/9159527/the-witcher-3-redkit-launch-date-modkit-sorry

"Witcher fans lash out at mod toolkit, say they were promised more"

:facepalm2::eredinfacepalm::huh:

:radovidsmug:By the flames... The Eternal Fire keep us warm through these troubled times... Must be witches... BRB need to go pull some nails.

 

[Mezziaz]

I hope this still is the truth.

Spoiler

From this thread.

 

[berserker66666]

I hope this still is the truth.

Well shit.......I hope for everyone's sake it's true. PLEASE CDPR make it happen.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

People are also diappointed because CDPR doesn't show any real effort to explain the situation to them. It's the same situation as with the graphical downgrade thing again.

What surprised me about the "downgrade" disappointments, is that CDPR simply commented that they didn't expect anyone to care, and supposedly that's why they never explained the situation. All that is after people expressed their concerns vocally many times about those issues. Either it means CDPR don't pay any attention to what's going on in the community, or they don't care to communicate reasons for unpopular moves, despite knowing that people will get only more upset.

The former can be caused by lack of resources. If that's the case, I bet developers practically don't read these forums, and community managers are too busy and don't communicate all such issues in timely manner as well. So we can complain all we want - no one will see it until much later (if ever).

 

[SpotEnemyBoats]

I hope this still is the truth.

Spoiler

From this thread.

I want to believe.

 

[berserker66666]

I want to believe.

You can stop believing now. CDPR are just dirty liars who spoon-fed us BS to make a fast buck. And now they forgot all about the REDKIT which THEY SAID they were working on.

 

[Datarecovery09]

The key word in this seems to be "right now".

I still have the hope that one day - maybe when it's done...^^ - we will get the full RedKit that we all want to have.
On the one hand I am a little bit disappointed myself, because I was really excited for the RedKit myself for about a full year, and when I read the Tweet for the first time it felt a bit like a punch in the stomach. But on the other hand... well, CDPR is the one developer that still listens to his community. We all know that the people who work there love TW3, and they want us to enjoy it. Until now they had their ears very close to us, and they always tried to please us in every (reasonable) way. They did it with NG+ (which, btw, also was a severe case of "we don't have any plans to do that" for a some time), they did it with their patches and, most important of them all, they did and are doing it with their DLCs.
Like I said: I'm a little bit disappointed myself. But I don't understand why so many people are acting like they have been stabbed in the back over a thing that, as I see it, *will* come at some point in time.
Maybe that won't be next week, maybe not even in this year. But this game has an incredible potential for being modded; so incredible, in fact, that it would be just a wasted opportunity for CDPR to not give us a RedKit in the future. And they know this too. Just have a little trust and faith.

 

[berserker66666]

Maybe that won't be next week, maybe not even in this year. But this game has an incredible potential for being modded;

Here's the problem though. Even though the game has incredible modding potential, if the REDKIT comes out say....a year later, the modding community might move on to other things and not be as interested modding Witcher 3 then as they are right now. Heck even Fallout 4 is coming out with it's own CreationKit that will steal the glory of the Witcher 3's mod scene. Sure some people will still be modding Witcher 3 then but all the big shots will be busy modding Fallout 4.