sidspyker said:PC gaming is better than ever. Especially with all the announcements of new APIs, GPUs, Steambox, Steam OS. I can see it making a big comeback considering "next-gen" has been revealed and it's already reached the max limit and has to make compromises against the PC.
And this:
Most important gaming platform for whom? publishers or thief's? Consoles ports make more money! this is the most important fact.
What's the problem if someone wants to buy PS4 or Xbox version of the Witcher or any other games. fanboyism.
PS4 port will be as good as they can make it, they wont release trash that's for sure.
PC version will definitely be better looking on full on ultra settings but how many people can afford high end PC!
And If you can't afford it or run it maxed out then consoles are perfect, for 400$ you get machine that will run you every game for another 5 or more years on pretty much high settings with warranty for 2-3 years.
I am also considering PS4 version only because I need to upgrade pretty much everything.
You are wrong.
You probably misread "Copies which included the 'Artorios of the Abyss' DLC released last year comprised just under 700,000 sales." and you thought that he was talking about all sold copies of Dark Souls. He was talking about "Prepare to die" edition that was released as standard edition on PC and as re-release on consoles.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/04/12/dark-souls-claims-nearly-2-4-million-sales-worldwide/
I understand we humans are boring and repetitive, but this kind of PC vs. console discussions repeat themselves way too frequently.
So I guess I'll repeat myself and what most other PC gamers know: the cost of a gaming PC is not the total cost of a new PC. Almost everybody has a computer at home, even people who play on a console. That computer already has a case, monitor, keyboard, speakers and several internal components. What we have to estimate is the cost of buying high quality components vs. budget and/or crappy components. That price difference, not the total cost, is probably close to that of a new console. Also PC games tend to go on sale faster and often, so we save money in the long run.
What I personally like about PC gaming beyond the price of games or the relative cost of a new PC is THE type of games that are released on PC. For example, graphical adventure, tactical and turn-based strategy or traditional computer RPG's, and a huge catalogue of indies. We all know consoles get most of the arcade action-reaction games. And I'm fine with that.
I also like playing without delays, minimal or no loading screens and fluid framerate. If a game screenshot looks exactly the same on PC or console, I couldn't care less. It's about the experience. Which also takes us to long term support, modding, and so on. Hell, I can still play old DOS games on my modern computer.
Anyway, you don't need a top of the line PC to enjoy the newest games, and they will still look at least as good as a console but probably run a bit more fluidly.
So I guess I'll repeat myself and what most other PC gamers know: the cost of a gaming PC is not the total cost of a new PC. Almost everybody has a computer at home, even people who play on a console. That computer already has a case, monitor, keyboard, speakers and several internal components. What we have to estimate is the cost of buying high quality components vs. budget and/or crappy components. That price difference, not the total cost, is probably close to that of a new console. Also PC games tend to go on sale faster and often, so we save money in the long run.
What I personally like about PC gaming beyond the price of games or the relative cost of a new PC is THE type of games that are released on PC. For example, graphical adventure, tactical and turn-based strategy or traditional computer RPG's, and a huge catalogue of indies. We all know consoles get most of the arcade action-reaction games. And I'm fine with that.
I also like playing without delays, minimal or no loading screens and fluid framerate. If a game screenshot looks exactly the same on PC or console, I couldn't care less. It's about the experience. Which also takes us to long term support, modding, and so on. Hell, I can still play old DOS games on my modern computer.
Anyway, you don't need a top of the line PC to enjoy the newest games, and they will still look at least as good as a console but probably run a bit more fluidly.
Hmmm...
Being a PC gamer myself I'd nevertheless like a console gamer to chime in now. It is apparent to me a fellow forum member or two might be implying there simply are no good reasons to buy and play on consoles and thus the millions who have done, are doing and will do so have fallen prey to some sinister plot.
Being a PC gamer myself I'd nevertheless like a console gamer to chime in now. It is apparent to me a fellow forum member or two might be implying there simply are no good reasons to buy and play on consoles and thus the millions who have done, are doing and will do so have fallen prey to some sinister plot.
I think the main advantage of consoles is the fact that PCs historically were bad with supporting controllers. Some people like that type of gaming. If PC systems could catch up on controllers support, consoles would have no benefits over them. Looks like Valve is pushing with that effort (improving controllers situation for PC).
eskiMoe: And how do these controllers fare across different OSes? Usually quite poor. Most of them don't have drivers or they are buggy. So consoles have clear advantage since hardware there just works. I hope Valve will help fixing this.
You don't optimize nothing for 1000 different configurations. That's one more myth. You have standards, DX and OGL libraries, and both hardware ans software devs must use them. Yes you must create different graphic quality (low, medium, high) sets for different configurations.Aver said:It's true that some of developers, if not most of them don't put too much effort into PC port. Then it's true that game don't perform as well as it should, but it doesn't change the fact that you can optimize game better if you optimize it for just one specific hardware. Just look at X360 version of TW2. Obviously it doesn't look as good as PC version, but look how great it looks on 6 years old hardware, with archaic video card and half of gigabyte of available RAM. You wouldn't be able to even launch main menu on PC like that./> You can't say that CDPR didn't care about PC version.
Point is that there are many PC games aren't properly optimized becuase dev didn't put to much effort into PC port, but even if dev put a lot effort into PC version, it's still won't be a well optimized as console version, because it's easier to optimize something for one specific configuration, than for 1000 different configurations. (Of course I'm generalizing here, because for example Risen have terrible console ports, but solid PC version)
But on the other side you must use tricks to create something that looks decent on that old console hardware - which is even harder. This takes too much time and artists don't like it because they are limited.
I have stated in my previous post that those console tricks degrade graphics quality, which is how they achieve so called optimization. This is very important, but you ignore it. These tricks can be done on consoles because players play games on a displays which are a few feet from the player, so they don't notice it.
Try to put graphic quality in TW2 on low and you will only get 4-5 frames more. I have stated many times here that TW2 optimization is bad.
Well, despite being a PC gamer, I can point at least 2 reasons for playing on consoles:
1) Convenience - albeit Steam machines might dull that edge.
2) Exclusives.
For example, both Deep Down and The Order 1886 are PS4 exclusives. Deep Down will be free to play and The Order is looking outstanding. I say that's tempting all right.
Additionally, would anyone care to comment on 3) the value, bang per buck of PC vs Consoles? How much cheaper or more expensive would it be for someone to build an equivalent PC rig, given that console hardware has supposedly been tailored and optimized?
1) Convenience - albeit Steam machines might dull that edge.
2) Exclusives.
For example, both Deep Down and The Order 1886 are PS4 exclusives. Deep Down will be free to play and The Order is looking outstanding. I say that's tempting all right.
Additionally, would anyone care to comment on 3) the value, bang per buck of PC vs Consoles? How much cheaper or more expensive would it be for someone to build an equivalent PC rig, given that console hardware has supposedly been tailored and optimized?
I own a gaming PC and didn't use Windows at home in several years already (I'm using Linux). So I see no reason why I'm supposed to be bound to use WindowseskiMoe said:
/>It's not a good comparison, since buying a PC you buy a general purpose computer. Even if it's for gaming primarily. Since it's general purpose, higher price pays off if you put it to good use. Consoles however are limited, so you supposedly pay for what you get.eskiMoe said:
Sure, why not: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=23492eskiMoe said:
Witcher 3 will be a problem, because of 64 bitness and DirectX 11 usage. So I'll wait until CDPR will release it for Linux or Wine will add those features. That won't be a reason for me to ever go back to Windows.
But I bet that you paid a little bit more than 500$ for it.Sirnaq said:
/>/>Then we should end this discussion right now, because we seem to live in different worlds
. I had really mediocre computer back when I played TW2 for a first time and it ran extremely well on high settings.Just read the comment section
/>.Pc или PS4 не важно графика одна динамика одна просто на PC БОЛЬШЕ МУЛИК ГОТОВИТСЯ и с графикой можно экспериментировать. А на PS4 уже все до своих высот забито!
Sure thing, it took them some time to iron things out. That's expected - things get fixed and get better. Wine really improved hugely since its early days. Don't forget it's not a proper gaming platform, it's a translation layer to run Windows programs on Linux. So sometimes things work out of the box, sometimes not until some bugs are fixed or features added. Native gaming is what's supposed to be a proper experience. (Even though CDPR themselves used Wine to release Witcher 1 for Mac OSX). So don't be surprised that Linux users will continue bugging CDPR to release native builds in the future.Aver said:Just read the comment section