Witcher 2 was lazy do you agree?

[enitaplap.18]

Indeed.The books are promoting a Geralt with a neutral view , whether He is really neutral is up to the reader to decide.

Foltest wont help you, he is dead. Triss is fired and hit by "Kingslayer whore" label, Thaler for sure is with nobles busy, and cannot be risk someone will know that he is helping you. Dandelion is not competent and in flotsam. Plus unbribable Roche has eye on you.

You mean cut scenes. Somehow you must do dialogues. Dunno why people thing that standing still and choosing text while everything is static somehow better. It is retarded. It was good for games with symbolic graphic like BG2. And choosing what to say while playing would be disruptive and cut gesticulation to nothing.
Loredo oversized garnison has walls and supply from merchants. Not two persons surrounded by archers. Book Geralt record was two bolts at once not 20~ arrows from everywhere.

Triss have no clue what to start searching and soon is kidnaped, Foltest is dead and there isn't a single proper thing in Dandelion.

Iorweth just dont give a damn about Yeavin, he has his own goals. And still you have meet Iorweth for info. Plus wanna wait for courier to Wyzima and back to Flotsam, no cell phones.

If merchant would travel with "Kingslayer" Geralt.

"Don't get me wrong I loved the game, but the idea that Gearalt cant stand on His own without Roche and Iorweth doesn't sit with me."

 

[CostinRaz]

He is not omnipotent.

This right here is a big reason why TW2 is an awesome game compared to the BS of Bioware.

 

[MarcAuron]

Indeed.The books are promoting a Geralt with a neutral view , whether He is really neutral is up to the reader to decide.

Foltest wont help you, he is dead. Triss is fired and hit by "Kingslayer whore" label, Thaler for sure is with nobles busy, and cannot be risk someone will know that he is helping you. Dandelion is not competent and in flotsam. Plus unbribable Roche has eye on you.

You mean cut scenes. Somehow you must do dialogues. Dunno why people thing that standing still and choosing text while everything is static somehow better. It is retarded. It was good for games with symbolic graphic like BG2. And choosing what to say while playing would be disruptive and cut gesticulation to nothing.
Loredo oversized garnison has walls and supply from merchants. Not two persons surrounded by archers. Book Geralt record was two bolts at once not 20~ arrows from everywhere.

Triss have no clue what to start searching and soon is kidnaped, Foltest is dead and there isn't a single proper thing in Dandelion.

Iorweth just dont give a damn about Yeavin, he has his own goals. And still you have meet Iorweth for info. Plus wanna wait for courier to Wyzima and back to Flotsam, no cell phones.

If merchant would travel with "Kingslayer" Geralt.

"Don't get me wrong I loved the game, but the idea that Gearalt cant stand on His own without Roche and Iorweth doesn't sit with me."

 

[enitaplap.18]

"My point is that it was doable by actually creating such a option, and yea creating one , meaning if it would be one of Foltestst guards that need a curse lifted from his cursed sheep that steals cheese from peoples cellars,I don't care how."

But i do care how things are done. Multiple Levels of "how"

Motivation
For example Foltest court temerian nobles and politicans has no motivation to help you. You are scapegoat banit plus helping you officially is treason. Plus they are busy fighting for power.

Logic
"It could have been anyone really Aryan,countess La Vallete hiring him because of her kids... The fact that Geralt is telling a story in His cell exclusively to Roche is what the problem is."
They are in prison too. Aryan in poor condition Countess guarded by ambassador. Random Deus Ex Machina NPC. No thanks.

Situation
Handcuffs and middle of fortress full of kings army behind door guarded by Ves. This is not place where you ask questions you answer them. Or Vernon ask less kindly.


Resources
Decisions decisions.
3xway for prolouge 3x3or4 for act 1 3x3or4x2or3 for act 2 3x3or4x2or3x6for act 3 3x3or4x2or3x6x2 for epiloge
And CDP will need additional 1 year 100-200 more crew and few more millions.
Or they create game for 30 playthroughs 1h each

Coherence
"I mean how would I want to escape with a random npc XYZ instead with Roche."
I also want many things but reality dont give a fuck about that, sadly. Especially Aston martin would be nice (DB9)
This a strength of this series, reality not wish fest of main character.

And this In All above category's mix
"how about a Geralt with proper build is capable of defending him self and Zoltan surviving this, or a Geralt that doesn't land in this trap like interaction with them after doing xyz for the elves or Cedric." Cedrick is busy drinking and dont have connection to Scoia'tael. if Malena would help you? Stupid to trust her again. but seriously How could Zoltan escape and you go against multiple archers. Mutated with Kayran? AK-47? Tank? Sory for sarcasm, for form.

 

[CostinRaz]

Whenever someone points out the flaw of a mechanic that is easy and beloved it gets perceived as bashing, personally the cinematics where great, the lack of choice in some of them was not.

And that's actually good. In life there are many things which we cannot control, same goes for Geralt. He can't leave Foltest or else he would be executed, he can't escape without Roche, he is not a god to be able to survive the arrows of so many Scoia'Tael and quite frankly I like that he can't because it means Geralt can't say whatever the fuck he wants and get away with it.

 

[MarcAuron]

"My point is that it was doable by actually creating such a option, and yea creating one , meaning if it would be one of Foltestst guards that need a curse lifted from his cursed sheep that steals cheese from peoples cellars,I don't care how."

But i do care how things are done. Multiple Levels of "how"

Motivation
For example Foltest court temerian nobles and politicans has no motivation to help you. You are scapegoat banit plus helping you officially is treason. Plus they are busy fighting for power.

Logic
"It could have been anyone really Aryan,countess La Vallete hiring him because of her kids... The fact that Geralt is telling a story in His cell exclusively to Roche is what the problem is."
They are in prison too. Aryan in poor condition Countess guarded by ambassador. Random Deus Ex Machina NPC. No thanks.

Situation
Handcuffs and middle of fortress full of kings army behind door guarded by Ves. This is not place where you ask questions you answer them. Or Vernon ask less kindly.


Resources
Decisions decisions.
3xway for prolouge 3x3or4 for act 1 3x3or4x2or3 for act 2 3x3or4x2or3x6for act 3 3x3or4x2or3x6x2 for epiloge
And CDP will need additional 1 year 100-200 more crew and few more millions.
Or they create game for 30 playthroughs 1h each

Coherence
"I mean how would I want to escape with a random npc XYZ instead with Roche."
I also want many things but reality dont give a fuck about that, sadly. Especially Aston martin would be nice (DB9)
This a strength of this series, reality not wish fest of main character.

And this In All above category's mix
"how about a Geralt with proper build is capable of defending him self and Zoltan surviving this, or a Geralt that doesn't land in this trap like interaction with them after doing xyz for the elves or Cedric." Cedrick is busy drinking and dont have connection to Scoia'tael. if Malena would help you? Stupid to trust her again. but seriously How could Zoltan escape and you go against multiple archers. Mutated with Kayran?

This feels really like Biowarian the idea of
Resources
Decisions decisions.
3xway for prolouge 3x3or4 for act 1 3x3or4x2or3 for act 2 3x3or4x2or3x6for act 3 3x3or4x2or3x6x2 for epiloge
And CDP will need additional 1 year 100-200 more crew and few more millions.
Or they create game for 30 playthroughs 1h each


If only players would know that most of the resource is wasted on Cinematics. Yup. As I said You may twist it a turn it, so can I , them whole point was that the OP's idea of lazy, doesn't apply but some limits where there certainly.
However this would be like arguing on the BSN that the endings of ME3 are horrible with people that are going around repeating developer words like mantras. The fact that I dislike the prologue implementation, doesn't even remotely make the entire game a lesser one.

They are in prison too. Aryan in poor condition Countess guarded by ambassador. Random Deus Ex Machina NPC. No thanks.
Lol, reminded me of the ambassador Hes as really layed out as potential victim of kidnapping.

Again it was doable, it wasn't done . Nothing wrong with that, I mean the game Has to much dialogue maybe we need autodialogue You know the costs of voice acting , I mean resources, resources...

And the game has a long journal and glossary , the cost for translating writing's are around 1 euro per word, who needs a journal any way.

Based on the idea that we need less choices because choices are turning us in to Biowarian characters, they clearly shouldn't try to do things the other way, without turning the player into the "chosen one , ultimate badass that pwns bitches thru the galaxy , world, whatever"

but clearly based on the few posts we made here adding choices means that we are becoming a Biowarian character, and removing them is the way to go. Interesting.

I'm very sure that the Red's could add choices without turning us in to idiots needing frequent confirmation of our manly manliness .

Based on this the Witcher3 should be like ME3 . Nope.
Improving doesn't necessarily have to mean removing , sometimes changing a few minor thing can add a lot, and provide variety, strangely this whole discussion is about a chapter of the game that is the only one that would benefit from a few minor additions.

 

[enitaplap.18]

Reductio ad absurdum
Next thing BioWarish suggestion is offensive at this forum
For example let do so experiment. Close your eyes dream about ideal road and wallk. sooner or layter I guarantee this result .
Company exist to make money. And is nothing bad with it.
The difference is BioWare lie and milk costumers with lazy games and marketing and CDPR with quality work and good costumer support.
CD Projekt had financial problems, has to fire employees, fusion with Optimus, had to rush act 3.
Maybe they should product better game and go bankrupt? Because "Yes we can"?

More choices in cinematics more money at cinematics.
Plus too many choices big choices and they will start to stuck up in geometrical way.

"Lol, reminded me of the ambassador Hes as really layed out as potential victim of kidnapping."
Read carefully i wrote that Luisa is captured by ambassador not he is victim

 

[MarcAuron]

Reductio ad absurdum
Next thing BioWarish suggestion is offensive at this forum
For example let do so experiment. Close your eyes dream about ideal road and wallk. sooner or layter I guarantee this result .
Company exist to make money. And is nothing bad with it.
The difference is BioWare lie and milk costumers with lazy games and marketing and CDPR with quality work and good costumer support.
CD Projekt had financial problems, has to fire employees, fusion with Optimus, had to rush act 3.
Maybe they should product better game and go bankrupt? Because "Yes we can"?

More choices in cinematics more money at cinematics.
Plus too many choices big choices and they will start to stuck up in geometrical way.

"Lol, reminded me of the ambassador Hes as really layed out as potential victim of kidnapping."
Read carefully i wrote that Luisa is captured by ambassador not he is victim

"Lol, reminded me of the ambassador Hes as really layed out as potential victim of kidnapping."
Read carefully i wrote that Luisa is captured by ambassador not he is victim

He could be a victim if written as one . Yes, maybe., as a option.

In the ideal case we wouldn't be arguing this.
The writing team is great so they could most certainly invent something better than I did. The factor of resources of course is there still so much went in to the story telling
of the prologue that could have been actual gameplay .
For example let do so experiment. Close your eyes dream about ideal road and wallk. sooner or layter I guarantee this result .

Still confused, I didn't ask for anything that wasn't an option in the first game.
Next thing BioWarish suggestion is offensive at this forum

Pardon but what do You mean?


Maybe they should product better game and go bankrupt? Because "Yes we can"?

What if they produce a lesser game and go bankrupt.?

I think that You are assuming that I'm arguing some kind of ," traditional implementation of ancient RPG mechanics", that Yes sadly for me would never have the mainstream appeal, and probably would never reach the targeted audience, I'm actually not.


NO dont care about the "console interface," nope don't need a iso view either, I'm completely capable of living with the new combat, what I said before was only something
that wouldn't make them go bankrupt.
The second game does nearly everything right, nearly, still prefer the first game in many ways,and like the second game more, also in many ways for completely different reasons.
With a basic grasp on the craetive process You should know , that maybe just the game acknowledging the players "neutrality" in better way , via something really minor, that wouldn't make them go bankrupt .

This was the whole point, and arguing choices that are added in better way or repaired from a existing mechanic. instead of removing "the nuisances" is something that is individual for every player.
Some like accessibility, some are not confusing difficulty with complexity either, are willing to read their journal, don't need them wasting their resources in to another tutorial ,clearly I mean in a ideal case this wouldn't be in my game, and in the games of many other players, based on which they wasted resources on people that don't want to read. This isnt even remotely my fault. I never asked for it., so they took away, (now role playing the entitled jerk that You percieved me to be) a potential option of something else, some other content a quest or something else, never asked for the Arena either.,takes away resources...

The above serves the purpose of demonstrating the idea that the game is not built around me,You or a random player, in a ideal case it will have enough content, and aspects to appeal to You, Me and another player in different ways.
I mean Shani wasnt there, She was for me a generic fling NO_537, for many other players She wasn't,should I argue with them that my prefernce for Triss is the way that It should be done, why because I said so? Nope.



Just another example which of course You may undermine as much as You want, they can have the Nekker Nest quest the entire one, for a decent way out of the dungeon.

Subjective, of course, You may claim that that quest was Witchers work, needed, necessary, funds ,resources and what not and sure it may be seen that way.

Still there is a lot of drone like behavior on the internet , when heaven forbid that there is a minor critique on a favorite developer decision, in these same discussions , the thing You consider absolutely awe inspiring in the second game may magicaly disaper in the third game.
This will bring You, not particularly You ,but You hopefully get the point, in a very similar position I am now.

Thankfully however the game gives all these options later, which is great and redeems it self, still the initial playtrrough of a unspoiled player, someone that wasn't day in
and day out reading spoilers , creates a slight shock, after importing a character the way I exactly wanted Him to be , from the first game.

 

[Blothulfur]

No.

 

[username_3236168]

I am not sure where i stand on this. I loved witcher 2 finished it 4 times. But my first "love" as you say was the Witcher 1.

And i wouldn't say devs were lazy but they did something new instead of continuing the same thing