Witcher 3 has all the sexist tropes, expert verdict is in

[Pajkes]

Agh.....am I suprised?....fuck no.

If anything Witcher 3 is more feminist than Anita and to be honest being man sucks more in WItcher 3 than being female.

You have much bigger chances to get killed...usually by Geralt.
I mean kings are puppets in the hands of female mages.Do I like it?Fuck no.

Modern feminism is not about equality.It's about POWER.
They want power.They hate meritocracy because in certain cases it's due to biology more leaning towards patriarchy.They want POWER I repeat.

Some people here on the forum wondered why oh why did Radovid started which hunt on mages?
Because he saw what others were afraid to admit....they are power hungry and they want to control everything including kings.It's simple battle for power.

And I can understand female feminists because they want power for themselves but I CAN'T understand male feminist who want less power for them and for them to be submisive.I just don't get this self hate.....90% of sjw journalists are straight (ooooooh he didn't use cis word,so what?) white males.Mind.Blown.

 

[backrow12]

5. The one where a woman is of the most influential, intelligent and powerful people in the world, who also leads a female only group shaping the course of international politics and history?

6. The one where a highly respected and capable military commander is a young woman, who is followed by both men and women not because of her beauty, but because of how inspiring and charismatic she is?

7. The one where in the end women working together manage to save the world?

I could go on and on. Andrzej Sapkowski managed to write one of the finest portrayal of women in fiction, and CD Projekt did the same when it comes to video games. All of the respect, guys.

And for Anita: I would rather have my future daughter be as strong as Ciri, as brave as Triss, as loyal as Yennefer, as smart as Philippa, as determined as Saskia than be like her. There I said it.

Exactly, was just about to try and type something similar out but now I don't have to and can get back to overseeing my woman in the kitchen.

 

[CastorKrieg]

She has a valid point in that there are sexist elements in the game: all the female protagonists (Yen, Ciri, Triss) are beautiful, wearing high heels, tight outfits, showing skin; you got your brunette, your red head, and your ashen haired (which seems to be really big amongst the fantasy|high fantasy crowd);

Both Triss and Yennefer enhance their looks with magic, all the sorceresses in the world of the Witcher do. Geralt actually comments on that as well. Ciri's look is based on the book, her hair is actually light blonde, not ashen.
Also, how is Yennefer showing skin? That outfit is locked tighter than Fort Knox.

4. Sure, pretty much everyone wants to have sex with Geralt. However, have you seen how men usually treat women in this medievalesque world? Geralt has actually learned that women are a force to be reckoned with. Don't you think a rare guy like that would be super-desirable in a world where most other men treat women like glorified sex toys?

Exactly this is mentioned by Dandelion in one of the stories in 'The Sword of Destiny'. Geralt is convinced all the women want to sleep with him because he is a freak, a mutant. Dandelion points out it's because he is the one that doesn't treat women like thrash, which is why they are attracted to him.

 

[dragonbird]

Oh, forgot to mention earlier. Keep country-bashing out of the topic too.

 

[mico11]

Still, even LianaK (who is generally a moderate feminist) made the argument that she think Ciri's outfit is stupid and unrealistic... thing is, she is a nimble fencer, not a warrior, for her to wear anything more cumbersome would make no sense... not to mention the fact that she has other means to defend herself then mundane armor.

ok, LianaK is not a moderate. I've talked with her on twitter, she has a vendetta against CDPR because they denied her an interview at some E3. Because of this she dedicated a lecture to blasting Witcher 2, and now is blasting WItcher 3, without knowing much of the lore. She's another unstable my feelings over anything person

She also made a lecture praising GOD OF WAR for reprentation of women, because God of War devs gave her an E3 interview

 

[mecha_fish]

Modern feminism is not about equality.It's about POWER.
They want power.They hate meritocracy because in certain cases it's due to biology more leaning towards patriarchy.They want POWER I repeat.

Some people here on the forum wondered why oh why did Radovid started which hunt on mages?
Because he saw what others were afraid to admit....they are power hungry and they want to control everything including kings.It's simple battle for power.

And I can understand female feminists because they want power for themselves but I CAN'T understand male feminist who want less power for them and for them to be submisive.I just don't get this self hate.....90% of sjw journalists are straight (ooooooh he didn't use cis word,so what?) white males.Mind.Blown.

I don't understand the meritocracy comment, because that's what inclusive feminism is fighting for. I do believe you're addressing a specific mindset, and that is of extremist feminists. It'd be appreciated that, although those feminists claim they are 'true feminists' or whatever, they aren't actually feminist. It'd be nice if you referred to them as extremists, i ask on behalf of the rest of feminism.

Generally, feminism isn't about power for women, but equal power to both. The fact the word is derived from a movement surrounding women's rights in the 70s is just a historical linguistic thing. 'Men giving up power' is one interpretation and yes, there are men who don't want to shoulder some of the weight of responsibility onto their capable sister humans.

Drawing this back to tw3 -- I'm pretty sure he was scarred by Philippa as a child and this has influenced his insanity and hatred of mages. Her gender isn't really relevant, as I see it. He kills male sorcerers too.

 

[yoobzon]

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Nudity in itself is OK, I just wish it went both ways, instead of making female nudity this special thing. No one would die from seeing a couple of penises dangling around. Mature games and movies should be using nudity because it's an important part of adult relationships. But it should be all nudity, not just the nudity that gives us an erection. But then again, this is not the fault of The Witcher but the entertainment industry in genera

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And I can understand female feminists because they want power for themselves but I CAN'T understand male feminist who want less power for them and for them to be submisive.I just don't get this self hate.....90% of sjw journalists are straight (ooooooh he didn't use cis word,so what?) white males.Mind.Blown.

I would consider myself a male feminist. It has nothing to do with self-hate, it is just simple logic. If you were a part of a minority, you could understand it better. I'm physically disabled and that makes me empathize with all different kinds of equality arguments. Feminists are not fighting for power, just for the right to forge your own destiny and live life in a respectable manner. Believe me, it sucks when someone assumes that you are weaker or less capable just because of your anatomy. This is the essence of feminism.

 

[Marlborough.702]

I don't think she was picking an example or comparing which is more sexist. It's just that W3 is happening now.
She has a valid point in that there are sexist elements in the game: all the female protagonists (Yen, Ciri, Triss) are beautiful, wearing high heels, tight outfits, showing skin; you got your brunette, your red head, and your ashen haired (which seems to be really big amongst the fantasy|high fantasy crowd); you have all of the females that fall for the pretty boy (Dandelion); inordinate amount of prostitutes and all of them are young, good looking, fresh looking, and act in a certain way... so that is the valid point. There are indeed sexist tropes in the game.

On the other hand, we have our "mature gamers" make the following comments:
"Can you now please, PLEASE stop pandering to the perpetually offended special snowflakes?"
"On behalf of Canada, we'd like to apologize for that... thing ever being born. Were very sorry, honestly. There is a clear difference between a feminist, and an extremist. That bitch"
"OH, OH YES! MOAR! CRY FOR ME MOAR! Mmmm~ your tears are delicious, and salty. Mmm~ oh yes, yes! YES! MOAR! Use them as lubr- "
"TW3 makes feminists going nuts? GOOD!!! I like it even more now!! Their tears and moans are going to be delicious! "

.. and those within the first 10 posts.

She does have a valid point and I think that's what makes people uncomfortable with her. It's like it's a personal attack on them if she points out things that are glaringly obvious. I also wish people would understand that criticism does not mean that a game or some piece of art is bad or you should not enjoy it. I enjoy Bond novels even though they are ridiculous. I'll enjoy this marvelous game however it does have sexist elements.

 

[warbaby2]

I would consider myself a male feminist. It has nothing to do with self-hate, it is just simple logic. If you were a part of a minority, you could understand it better. I'm physically disabled and that makes me empathize with all different kinds of equality arguments. Feminists are not fighting for power, just for the right to forge your own destiny and live life in a respectable manner. Believe me, it sucks when someone assumes that you are weaker or less capable just because of your anatomy. This is the essence of feminism.

Not for that new breed of academic, 3rd wave feminist, it isn't... they fight for female supremacy on idea that women are the marginalized, victimized part of society.

In reality, everybody is part of some form of under privileged group if you look hard enough, but overcoming those drawbacks and thriving for what you want out of life is what it really should be about...

The feminism you are talking about is no longer around, it achieved it's goals years ago and vanished.

@Marlborough.702: No, what makes people uncomfortable with here (at least outside of the US) is that she is an obvious con artist that has no business criticizing what she doesn't understand and/or make money out of said criticism.

 

[Pajkes]

I don't think she was picking an example or comparing which is more sexist. It's just that W3 is happening now.
She has a valid point in that there are sexist elements in the game: all the female protagonists (Yen, Ciri, Triss) are beautiful, wearing high heels, tight outfits, showing skin; you got your brunette, your red head, and your ashen haired (which seems to be really big amongst the fantasy|high fantasy crowd); you have all of the females that fall for the pretty boy (Dandelion); inordinate amount of prostitutes and all of them are young, good looking, fresh looking, and act in a certain way... so that is the valid point. There are indeed sexist tropes in the game.

So?
Portraying woman as sexy, with fleshed out characters and powerful which is well pretty good portrayal and males who like such awesome females which overall is a win-win situation is somehow.....bad?

Also there are plenty of females who differ from your description so.....you're kinda.....arguing for what exactly?

That sexy,powerful females shouldn't be shown?Well that's discrimination.

That there should be less of them?Well maybe in yoir game cause that's like only your opinion.

If DA:I can be fantasy world in which lgbt characters are everywhere while in reality they are 5% at most than Witcher can be much more realistic in that regard.

Artistric freedom and target demographic..Keep these 2 words in your mind.I can make whatever damn game I want and I can choose whatever target demographic I want and you can hate it to your hearth's content but you CAN'T force me to do things I don't want to do.

I would for example argue for more killable females and less males since curenttly 95% of killed are males.We need equality bruh in all areas.

 

[bandage106]

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Nudity in itself is OK, I just wish it went both ways, instead of making female nudity this special thing. No one would die from seeing a couple of penises dangling around. Mature games and movies should be using nudity because it's an important part of adult relationships. But it should be all nudity, not just the nudity that gives us an erection. But then again, this is not the fault of The Witcher but the entertainment industry in genera

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I would consider myself a male feminist. It has nothing to do with self-hate, it is just simple logic. If you were a part of a minority, you could understand it better. I'm physically disabled and that makes me empathize with all different kinds of equality arguments. Feminists are not fighting for power, just for the right to forge your own destiny and live life in a respectable manner. Believe me, it sucks when someone assumes that you are weaker or less capable just because of your anatomy. This is the essence of feminism.

Women are physically weaker, that's gender dimorphism are you honestly denying that? Also no one gets to afford their destiny and forge their own life, grow up.

 

[TaunoM]

I'll enjoy this marvelous game however it does have sexist elements.

Nothing like that is ever a problem if a person who is seeing it has intelligence enough to know that its bad behaviour. That is why games (and movies) have rating. You have to be old enough to understand whats right and wrong before seeing those things in your media. There is no way to porttrait a bad guy without showing him being bad or mentioning anything bad they have done. So if the witcher universe is filled with sexist and raping bad men then there is nothing bad for showing them and giving a player opprortunity to kick them in the head.

Crossing the line would be if Geralt could do those things himself to women...

 

[dragonbird]

She does have a valid point and I think that's what makes people uncomfortable with her. It's like it's a personal attack on them if she points out things that are glaringly obvious. I also wish people would understand that criticism does not mean that a game or some piece of art is bad or you should not enjoy it. I enjoy Bond novels even though they are ridiculous. I'll enjoy this marvelous game however it does have sexist elements.

(Moderator hat removed). But it's not just this, I think that there's also a strong element of frustration about the fact that there's no dialogue. Even if she, and others with similar views, are right about SOME things, there's also usually some that are disputable, but this is never recognised as something that CAN be disputed. And there's probably some that are factually incorrect, but again, it's difficult to refute when there's no dialogue on the matter.

And then we get situations like this - all she's done is one tweet, and everyone is already making assumptions on what she's going to say. Just as she has probably made assumptions about the game. A lot of cherry-picking going on.

(And yes, I'm making those assumptions too.)

 

[warbaby2]

Crossing the line would be if Geralt could do those things himself to women...

Even that would be no problem from an artistic standpoint if that was what the character was like in the story... I only can reiterate what one person above me said: Pople need to grow up... it's just stories, if you don't like them, then simply don't read/watch/play them.

 

[dragonbird]

(Moderator hat back on)

Women are physically weaker, that's gender dimorphism are you honestly denying that? Also no one gets to afford their destiny and forge their own life, grow up.

I think you a) misread his post and b) are going into very dangerous territory here. Back off.

 

[Scryar]

So?
Portraying woman as sexy, withf leshed out characters and powerful which is well pretty good portrayal and males who like such awesome females which overall is a win-win situation is somehow.....bad?

Also there are plenty of females who differ from your description so.....you're kinda.....arguing for what exactly?

I would for example argue for more killable females and less males since curenttly 95% of killed are males.We need equality bruh in all areas.

That's the last thing we need. I don't want game developers to develop with a check-list in mind. "We just killed a male characters.Now we have to kill a female one".
Sarkesian and her supporters are like a cancer going through the gaming industry. The less any developer listens to them the better.

 

[bandage106]

"Feminists are not fighting for power, just for the right to forge your own destiny and live life in a respectable manner. Believe me, it sucks when someone assumes that you are weaker or less capable just because of your anatomy. This is the essence of feminism."

How did I misread anything, everything I replied to is with in two sentences.

 

[Pajkes]

That's the last thing we need. I don't want game developers to develop with a check-list in mind. "We just killed a male characters.Now we have to kill a female one".
Sarkesian and her supporters are like a cancer going through the gaming industry. The less any developer listens to them the better.

I was sarcastic though indeed in 99% of games 98% of killed,mutilated and murdered humans belong to male gender.

Now imagine for a mere second if it was other way around and than stop cause your head would explode from all the feminist screaming on twitter and tumblr.

 

[yoobzon]

Not for that new breed of academic, 3rd wave feminist, it isn't... they fight for female supremacy on idea that women are the marginalized, victimized part of society.

In reality, everybody is part of some form of under privileged group if you look hard enough, but overcoming those drawbacks and thriving for what you want out of life is what it really should be about...

The feminism you are talking about is no longer around, it achieved it's goals years ago and vanished.

I love how people always focus on the fringe elements of the feminist movement to prove they are crazy. Feminism is what you make it out to be. For me it's all about equal opportunities, equal treatment and equal compensation. I was loosely involved with 2 different feminist organizations and I can assure you that to most activist feminism was the fight for equality

A supremacist is a supremacist, no matter what supremacy they profess, it is bad and detrimental. And saying that the 1st wave of feminism is over is really an oversimplification. It would be over if we achieved full equality, which will never ever happen. 2nd wave created some dubious theories and than the third wave built on that. If you read into them they are rarely "crazy", just a bit more decisive.

But on the street it's the 1st wave that still matters to people. Simple equality. Let's not discredit all feminists just because there are some socialist revolutionists voices in the midst. It's just like calling all video gamers immature crybabies because of the trolls

 

[bandage106]

That's the last thing we need. I don't want game developers to develop with a check-list in mind. "We just killed a male characters.Now we have to kill a female one".
Sarkesian and her supporters are like a cancer going through the gaming industry. The less any developer listens to them the better.

Art has never been a democracy anyway.