Well... What's the point in releasing The Witcher 3 on the xbox one? IT'S NOT EVEN PLAYABLE IN POLAND!
I hope they refuse to release the game on Xbox one... This is awful
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I hope they refuse to release the game on Xbox one... This is awful
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You do realise Xbone will launch November 2013 while TW3's release window extends till late 2014, right?Frostcreep said:
That means there's every chance TW3 will come out on XBone day 1 everywhere, Poland included. There's no shortage of valid reasons to skip XBone for anyone to feel compelled to come up with imaginary ones.
Welcome to the forum.
I think the contracts are already signed.
But I don't blame CD Projekt RED for trying to make their game available to every platform,
after all they are a buisness and not a human rights movement.
It just sucks that such a horrible piece of hardware gets such a great title to boast with.
The Xbox One doesn't deserve it.
But I don't blame CD Projekt RED for trying to make their game available to every platform,
after all they are a buisness and not a human rights movement.
It just sucks that such a horrible piece of hardware gets such a great title to boast with.
The Xbox One doesn't deserve it.
Excluding customers who choose to buy the Xbone is against the principles of the free market, it's anti-consumerist and it is against freedom of choice. They are doing the right thing by releasing it for any platform that is both able to support it and has a user base who would be willing to buy it. As long as CDPR continues to offer a DRM free version for those who dislike DRM, other platform versions for those who do not want an Xbone then they did nothing wrong. The Polish gamers even if cannot buy it on Xbone in Poland can buy it on one of the other platforms, that is a problem of Microsoft's not CDPR. While that is not ideal, CDPR are not to blame for it and they are doing the only reasonable thing which is to open up their game to as many people as possible within the limitations of their ability or finance to port to various platforms; giving customer the freedom of choice which platform or version they buy. CDPR have every right to sell it on Xbone, PS4, PC through Origin, GoG or Steam and any other place which is willing to sell it.Frostcreep said:
Demut said:
It is not anti-consumerist to supply their product on Xbone as long as they offer alternatives. It is anti-consumerist to restrict it's purchase from those who would buy that platform when there is both the demand and hardware to support it's creation for that system. People should be free to buy it on whatever chosen platform they want as long as the developer has the ability to create it for the platform and can support it's financial development plus there is a sufficient user base on it that would be willing to buy it on there. Even Xbone users are consumers who are entitled to buy the game on their chosen platform and be given the freedom of choice to do so if there is enough demand for it and developers have the ability, time and money enough to create it for that system. CDPR are not supporting Microsoft's policies by releasing on that platform, they are supporting the gamers who might choose to use that platform giving them the freedom to enjoy the game that others can buy on the other platforms.
Wait wait wait wait wait. Let’s get this clear first: Did I really read that correctly? People are entitled to having every game release on their console (provided the developer could potentially port it and might make enough to cover those cost)? Is that actually what you meant to say?
Actually, the question impends upon you.Demut said:
Quoting someone else, CDProjekt is making a game, not s stand. They naturally want to reach as many gamers as possible, something rendered, well, impossible if they alienate what until last month was probably going to be the lion's share.
CDProjekt is treating gamers like adult individuals, quite capable, thank you, of making their own minds and deciding if and where to spend their hard earned cash. What would be rather patronizing and condescending would be for CDProjekt to ban an entire stratum of gamers just because they chose one platform over the other, a decision that impacts those gamers alone, not them as developers.
And just where do you propose this moral stand should stop? Should CDProjekt's games not run on Windows as well, since it's from the same company and the OS too boasts what some deem questionable DRM?
You and I may not like XBone's stance on DRM. I certainly have no intention of ever getting that consle. And that's just it. CDProjekt is letting me make that call.
They should not be excluded from the opportunity to buy it on there if there is high enough demand for it, enough resources to create it and a desire by the developer to allow as many gamers/consumers as possible to experience the game being created provided they have the time, money and ability to create it for that platform. Does that clear up what I mean?Demut said:
Not necessarily. Plainly asked: Do you believe that people have a RIGHT (which is what you said by “entitled”) to get products on terms of their chosing?
Xbox users being the lion’s share? What?
AgentBlue said:
Xbox users being the lion’s share? What?
So you are saying businesses aren’t supposed to act ethically, only their customers are?AgentBlue said:
I explained what I mean, now your just being pedantic over the choice of words.Demut said:
CDProjekt - evidently - disagrees with you on what's ethical. I'd say they're in a better position to judge.Demut said:
And I happen to agree. XBone policies are questionable, but not unethical. They're not because no one is holding a gun at point blank range and forcing you to buy the console. The facts are out and Microsoft is not being tight-lipped about the controversial policies. Gamers, therefore, are in a position to choose knowingly and therefore wisely.
The problem with your entire reasoning is that you keep conflating ethics with your own preferences.
The ethicality of an action is not solely reliant on whether or not it affects you, Agent Blue. And Microsoft is actually being tight-lipped about this, evading interviews and questions about the DRM of the Xbox One as well as saying only as much as absolutely necessary in that regard.
Nope, I’m just trying to point out the absurdity of that statement.Dragoonlordz said:
That's evidently not true as that's the main reason behind the uproar. We're still 3 months away from release. There's a number of possible reasons why they're currently shying away from interviews on the matter, including the chance all the backlash has forced them to review XBone DRM policies.Demut said:
You keep missing the point. XBone policies are not unethical. They're dumb.
I would argue MS's policies for xbone are potentially very unethical. Think of the implications of xbone exclusive titles and DRM - you want to play a certain game, you must oblige to online requirerments. In essence, they own the creative content, they dictate when you get to use it. Tell me where this is the case in any other digital entertainment medium, or whether it's even right. Then there's publishers and participating retailers dictating used games sales, demanding indie devs to work with a publisher, their monetary 'fines' regarding patching. I strongly suspect they're requiring devs to program for their failed Kinect experiment. They want a bloody strangle hold on the industry and their means of attaining this wavers all over into unethical territory.
Potentially very unethical?slimgrin said:
You strongly suspect?
No one's entitled to playing those exclusives, as no one is entitled to playing PS4's eclusives. If one wants to, why, one buys oneself the console, one agrees to the terms and conditions, and one plays the desired game. Plain and simple.
Dragoonlordz seems to disagree with that. Apparently we are entitled to that.
Also, I mean this argument of “they don’t hold a gun to your head so it’s A-OK” is like saying exploiting people in the Third World is alright because it’s their choice to work themselves to the bones and be paid next to nothing.
Also, I mean this argument of “they don’t hold a gun to your head so it’s A-OK” is like saying exploiting people in the Third World is alright because it’s their choice to work themselves to the bones and be paid next to nothing.