Witcher 4/Remake: Balanced fanservice/sexualization pls!

[ErwinSmith_LUTO]

Witcher games have always been 100% focused on the male audience with many beautiful women and only female nudity.
I would like to request the CD Projekt team to balance this aspect in the next games for us girls players. Balanced sexualization and nudity.

Make more attractive male characters, male sexualization/nudity in brothels. or at least make Geralt model hotter (like Henry Cavill in the Netflix show ), add Geralt nudity in the sex cutscenes.

Update:

Ciri confirmed in Witcher 4
if this game has a lot of romance like Witcher 3, Give us some hot men options for Ciri, male fanservice!
Don't make her just be a lesbian girl with only female fanservice..

Come on CD Projekt team, make some attractive guys!
We have so many good examples, some handsome characters in other games:

 

[WhiteYoghurt]

Hey,
personally, I find the whole concept of "romances", as they are executed and spoken of, kind of cringy. They take a lot of playtime, and (in the context of the game) I don't even consider them romances.

It's more like virtual porn - a player can select supportive dialogues until a smoking hot, self-reliant; but insecure, chocolate chick, wearing leather, starts sending nudes and sleeps with him/her in an improbable situation in an improbable place...
I think these video game "romances" are something that gaming should get rid of rather than promote...

 

[FelineWitcher]

I love my videogame hot female characters but I believe in fairness so you have my support. Both male and female players deserve juicy fanservice.

 

[LeKill3rFou]

I think these video game "romances" are something that society/gaming should get rid of rather than promote...

I disagree (a bit), but I think I have make a difference between "romance" and "sex scene". From what I saw on Cyberpunk, for many, when asking for more romances, they pretty much want more sex scenes for which I couldn't care less...
For me, romances are great in games and gaming shouldn't get rid of them, unlike sex scenes.

 

[northwold]

Hey,
personally, I find the whole concept of "romances", as they are executed and spoken of, kind of cringy. They take a lot of playtime, and (in the context of the game) I don't even consider them romances.

It's more like virtual porn - a player can select supportive dialogues until a smoking hot, self-reliant; but insecure, chocolate chick, wearing leather, starts sending nudes and sleeps with him/her in an improbable situation in an improbable place...
I think these video game "romances" are something that gaming should get rid of rather than promote...

Yes. The Witcher games sort of got better from the borderline horror of collecting girls as playing cards in Witcher 1. But Witcher 3's sex scenes often verged on Benny Hill levels of tacky cringe. They broke the tone of the storytelling and were kind of embarrassing to watch (embarrassing for the game, not for me).

That actually flows into the OP's point. The effort that clearly went into the sex scenes, coupled with the complete lack of any choice if you weren't into women, actually felt offensive. Like, why is so much game time being devoted to serving, presumably, frustrated teenage boys in the audience and no time to anyone else. It cheapened the experience and felt sleazy.

I had far less problem with Cyberpunk on this front because more tastes were represented. The scenes were still a bit silly (and the gay guys, notably, were all of one type), but at least there was choice. And, indeed, at least they were shorter.

 

[LeKill3rFou]

I had far less problem with Cyberpunk on this front because more tastes were represented. The scenes were still a bit silly (and the gay guys, notably, were all of one type), but at least there was choice. And, indeed, at least they were shorter.

Well, the only way to let romance up to player perferences, it's to not play as Geralt. If we still play Geralt as main character in the next witcher game, we'll have no other choice than playing a straight dude again.

 

[WhiteYoghurt]

The effort that clearly went into the sex scenes, coupled with the complete lack of any choice if you weren't into women, actually felt offensive. Like, why is so much game time being devoted to serving, presumably, frustrated teenage boys in the audience and no time to anyone else.

It's just how the game was designed. I don't think game features should be done based on people's IRL expectations, but based on the context of the game. If the main character is Geralt, described as sleeping with many women, I think it's completely fine to have the game about it.

difference between "romance" and "sex scene". From what I saw on Cyberpunk, for many, when asking for more romances, they pretty much want more sex scenes

That's all I wanted to say - "romances" are getting too much in front and should be pushed back (a bit) for the sake of other content
I think it's the same with customization - players seem to want to customize everything - guns, clothes, apartments, vehicles,... - it doesn't fit W3 - is basically a homeless wanderer with two swords riding a horse
And in CP77 it's "just there" because players wanted it, but it doesn't go well with the rest of the game. Nobody cares about the color of V's car, V's weapon, or what apartments V owns,... - it's just there, empty and good for nothing...

 

[northwold]

It's just how the game was designed. I don't think game features should be done based on people's IRL expectations, but based on the context of the game. If the main character is Geralt, described as sleeping with many women, I think it's completely fine to have the game about it.


That's all I wanted to say - "romances" are getting too much in front and should be pushed back (a bit) for the sake of other content
I think it's the same with customization - players seem to want to customize everything - guns, clothes, apartments, vehicles,... - it doesn't fit W3 - is basically a homeless wanderer with two swords riding a horse
And in CP77 it's "just there" because players wanted it, but it doesn't go well with the rest of the game. Nobody cares about the color of V's car, V's weapon, or what apartments V owns,... - it's just there, empty and good for nothing...

Not quite the point I'm making. I'm fine with Geralt sleeping with women. But some of the cut scenes verge on the completely ridiculous (most notably the Blood and Wine one in the clouds). It just doesn't fit. And when something doesn't fit and feels like deliberate pandering to a part of the audience outside the narrative of the game, it starts feeling gratuitous and therefore offensive, and that is not a good place for any entertainment to be going.

 

[WhiteYoghurt]

But some of the cut scenes verge on the completely ridiculous (most notably the Blood and Wine one in the clouds). It just doesn't fit. And when something doesn't fit and feels like deliberate pandering to a part of the audience outside the narrative of the game, it starts feeling gratuitous and therefore offensive,

I agree that the scene makes no sense story-wise and doesn't fit in general, but I don't find it offensive in any way.
And I don't believe it was meant to be so.

I guess it's just one of the selling points of games, aimed toward the majority of the player base - straight men.
For the same reason, games include stuff like combat and killing in horrible ways, cars and car races, tons of weapons,...

All I meant to say was that I find some games to be quite one-sided about that; and that it might help them (story-wise, gameplay-wise) to (partially) switch the focus - e.g. from romances to side content (minor quests, encounters,...), from cosmetics & customization to e.g. living world,...
E.g. - What I don't like about some newer games is the combat. It's the copy-paste, overdone spamfest of fast attacks and rolls. It could be nice to iterate on that

 

[Snakeeeater49910]

To each is his own. Different strokes for different folks etc.. Or whatever you want to say. It really is no big deal.

 

[DonLuzolvaz]

Witcher games have always been 100% focused on the male audience with many beautiful women and only female nudity.
I would like to request the CD Projekt team to balance this aspect in the next games for us girls players. Balanced sexualization and nudity.

Make more attractive male characters, male sexualization/nudity in brothels. or at least make Geralt model hotter (like Henry Cavill in the Netflix show ), add Geralt nudity in the sex cutscenes.

I agree. In general we need more hot men in all CDPR games

It's more like virtual porn - a player can select supportive dialogues until a smoking hot, self-reliant; but insecure, chocolate chick, wearing leather, starts sending nudes and sleeps with him/her in an improbable situation in an improbable place...
I think these video game "romances" are something that gaming should get rid of rather than promote...

I actually liked what CDPR did with the romances in Cyberpunk. the only time you have sex with the romance options is at the very end of their questlines and then it's just wholesome stuff with them texting and bringing them to your apartment, cuddle, chat, etc.

 

[ErwinSmith_LUTO]

I agree. In general we need more hot men in all CDPR games

This is one aspect that disappoints me in CD games.
Hot men are very scarce, while there are a large number of hot women.

 

[Princess_Ciri]

Tbh when it's overt I find the sexualisation of characters (whatever their gender) pretty creepy (it just happens to women a lot more). A lot of the women in the Witcher games are really overly sexualised and it makes me uncomfortable. I wouldn't particularly wish that on a male character either.

I would humbly suggest that if Witcher 4 needs attractive men, Iorveth is right there. Please!!!! Rebellious sarcastic elves are really appealing to everyone

 

[Toyen]

Since we are going to have a female protagonist, it is finally time for some decent male love interests!

And yes I agree. Both Yennefer and Triss were very beautiful so it is only fair that Ciri's male love interest options are handsome men.

I don't think anybody wants to see Ciri romancing awfully ugly guys.

And I am so sorry but her briefly flirting with Skjall in TW3 was so disappointing. The guy was way below her league when it comes to both looks and character. So no more of that please.

Give us high powered, handsome, interesting men with well written romance storylines. Not some average looking chubby villagers.

Oh my gosh Iorveth as a love interest? I am so here for that! Although he's a bit too old for her!

Anyways, I believe Ciri is going to be bisexual with female love interests as well which is fine by me, more for everyone!

But yeah, since this thread is about male characters I am happily joining the crowd that shouts - ' we want handsome men! '.

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This is one aspect that disappoints me in CD games.
Hot men are very scarce, while there are a large number of hot women.

I couldn't agree more. Literally no super attractive male characters in the witcher games besides Geralt.

Well the only one is Iorveth in my opinion. Well actually there's one more!

Let's go over this:

- Roche? Average
- Dandelion? Average + annoying
- Henselt? Ugly
- Letho? Ugly
- Radovid? Average
- Foltest? Average
- Dethmold? Super ugly!
- Lambert? Ugly
- Eskel? Ugly
- Hjalmar? Ugly
- Moovran? Ugly
- Djikstra? Ugly
- Olgierd Von Everec? Handsome! (Cause apparently his face sculpt was inspired by David Beckham?)
- Iorveth? Handsome!

Literally TWO handsome men (besides Geralt) in the entire witcher franchise.

Whereas almost every female character of importance looks like a supermodel. And no, it's not just the sorceresses who can perfect their appearance with magic.

Ves, Saskia, Shani, Cantarella, Adda, Corine Tilly, Iris Von Everec are a few women that are not sorceresses and yet are all very 'naturally' beautiful.

So yes, we desperately need more good looking male characters!!!

 

[LeKill3rFou]

I couldn't agree more. Literally no super attractive male characters in the witcher games besides Geralt.

Well the only one is Iorveth in my opinion. Well actually there's one more!

Let's go over this:

- Roche? Average
- Dandelion? Average + annoying
- Henselt? Ugly
- Letho? Ugly
- Radovid? Average
- Foltest? Average
- Dethmold? Super ugly!
- Lambert? Ugly
- Eskel? Ugly
- Hjalmar? Ugly
- Moovran? Ugly
- Djikstra? Ugly
- Olgierd Von Everec? Handsome! (Cause apparently his face sculpt was inspired by David Beckham?)
- Iorveth? Handsome!

I never really thought about it, but I have to say that it's hard to disagree...

Ves, Saskia, Shani, Cantarella, Adda, Corine Tilly, Iris Von Everec are a few women that are not sorceresses and yet are all very 'naturally' beautiful.

Few more just for the sake to quote them
Cyn, Cerys, Priscilla, Sylvia Anna or even Anna Henrietta
Let's be honest, CDPR know how to create/design attractive women for sure

 

[Toyen]

I never really thought about it, but I have to say that it's hard to disagree...


Few more just for the sake to quote them
Cyn, Cerys, Priscilla, Sylvia Anna or even Anna Henrietta
Let's be honest, CDPR know how to create/design attractive women for sure

Yes! The continent is filled with beautiful women and ugly/average men! It's time to balance the scales a little bit!

And what gets me is even the elves (besides Iorveth) are not attractive.

Like why do all the MALE ELF NPCS all look so old?

Take Eredin for example. He has striking angular elvish features but why does he have so many wrinkles and moles all over his face?

As an elven king, isn't he supposed to be beautiful with glowing skin and timeless/ageless features? Why does he look like he's in his 50s.

Same with Avalaach. He has elvish facial features but looks like a 50yo man cosplaying as an elf.

Geels appears to be in his 60s. Imlerith looks 40s or 50s.

Meanwhile every elven woman is a hot 25yo beauty.

 

[TeamLucy]

I support me getting lesbomancy with gorgeous whores and sorceresses, and I support female players getting attractive male romances/hookups too

 

[Draconifors]

Honestly, I would prefer no sexualization or "romance".

Why? Three reasons:
1) Video game "romances" are always shallow, and mostly boil down to having intercourse. Which, in my opinion, is quite uninteresting and pointless.

2) It always seems to cause arguments on topics such as "X is hotter than Y" or "Z is the best love interest". Which gets really tedious and is even more pointless than charactets being intimate on screen.

3) Much more interesting and meaningful content could be done instead.

 

[Toyen]

Honestly, I would prefer no sexualization or "romance".

Why? Three reasons:
1) Video game "romances" are always shallow, and mostly boil down to having intercourse. Which, in my opinion, is quite uninteresting and pointless.

2) It always seems to cause arguments on topics such as "X is hotter than Y" or "Z is the best love interest". Which gets really tedious and is even more pointless than charactets being intimate on screen.

3) Much more interesting and meaningful content could be done instead.

Well romance story lines are optional so you can always opt out.

I disagree that they are just about the sex scenes. There are meaningful interactions with both Triss and Yen even after they had sex with Geralt.
I did not find the romance storyline with Triss or Yen 'shallow' at all.

Romantic relationships are supposed to be interesting and meaningful part of a character's storyline. Unless it's just a hookup for which there's definitely going to be plenty of brothels around.

And even that I am here for because how often do you see a FEMALE lead character having sexual agency and being absolutely unapologetic about it?

Almost never when compared to men.

So yeah, Ciri having the ability to go to brothels and being like give me that hot elf over there is definitely going to ruffle a few feathers and I can't wait.

 

[SigilFey]

Ciri, in the books, is decidedly bisexual, so there's quite a lot of literary freedom there with her character. I do hope for something substantial in the relationships if it's done, however. I'd rather have only 2 or 3 options done with a lot of detail and a complex relationship rather than 10 options that all boil down to a few dialogue options that result in sex.

What I'd really like to see is a slow build to a relationship that eventually puts players in a position to lose that person based on gameplay choices. You could wind up together, estranged, or possibly fighting and killing someone you love. That would be potentially powerful stuff if paced effectively over the course of the game.