Witcher senses don't seem to work any different then the witcher medallion highlight in TW2...well with the exception that the medalion was a pulse that last for a few seconds whereas Witcher senses last a lot longer.
This is what I think as well. (if I understood you correctly).
You know, we still do not know if we have to investigate something, read books or do something else for the "werewolf (example) information" to appear on the screen above the recommended potions.
The guys just talking about an "evil beast" and the "wolves" comment of Geralt is a little bit shallow to conclude that the beast we are searching for is definitely a werewolf, especially if Geralt is not explicitly saying "werewolf". I mean how is that going to work? Will Geralt automatically tell us that it is a werewolf or is there some investigation work to be done ahead?
Also - the recommended potions - no matter if we turn them on or off now - will they appear right ahead or only after we have done some "research" regarding this monster.?
Then there is still the traces of monsters. I would prefer one of 2 options:
1. The traces are visible without Witcher senses but you will have to be very observative
2. The traces within the Witcher sense are more subtle and not so much "in your face" big and red.
Witcher Senses, demo doesn't bode well, I'm afraid.
The burden should be upon the player. Sure, Geralt can comment on what he sees, hears and smells. But the player should be burdened with the task to assemble those clues and make an educated guess as to which monster he's dealing with. If Geralt is just going to mumble «werewolf», «troll», «Fiend», then what is left for the player to do?
Also, can't think of a single reason why ledges should be covered in red paint. Why would senses detect them? Furthermore, what's the point? From what I can tel there's like two or three types of climbable ledges and everyone will have known them by heart after half an hour into the game.
The burden should be upon the player. Sure, Geralt can comment on what he sees, hears and smells. But the player should be burdened with the task to assemble those clues and make an educated guess as to which monster he's dealing with. If Geralt is just going to mumble «werewolf», «troll», «Fiend», then what is left for the player to do?
Also, can't think of a single reason why ledges should be covered in red paint. Why would senses detect them? Furthermore, what's the point? From what I can tel there's like two or three types of climbable ledges and everyone will have known them by heart after half an hour into the game.
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Awesome, thanks for pointing that out!
So there's still hope. Reading some of the other posts, however, it's apparent that the problem is more far reaching than I expected. The exclamation quest marker on the mini map would have to be toggleable as well to completely block out any hand-holding in regards to being able to figure out a path on your own. I hope they think of that as well.
These are my best solutions for the witcher sense mode markers and map ideas working hand in hand.
All of them are and should be doable for CDPR to implement in a way that players will still be free to choose the way they want to play it on their own.
First if we do indeed have the option to turn off the mini map then the witcher sense mode will be and seem way more useful to at least most of us as far as I can tell.
This is 1 way to do it: If we turn off the HUD mini map then we will have to
pause the game, then go to your map and look for the quest marker you want. Then un-pause and play and continue to travel in that direction some more until you think you might be close. Then pause the game again to check your map and if you are indeed close, the marker could be gone. Or simultaneously before you pause to look at your map again, Geralt's medallion could vibrate. Or Geralt might say something like while it vibrates like: "I think it's around here." Or "I must be close, I can feel it" Or " So this must be the place he/she/it was talking about" Hmm.. Or "It must be living or hiding in this spot".
ETC..ETC..depending on our quest and who is involved at the time.
Also at the same time like I said if you are indeed close to the area of your destination and Geralt does says something and or his medallion starts to vibrate, then the marker will also disappear off of the map in our pause menu at the same time.
This will happen because obviously we have just been informed and are now in some unspecified radius of our desired quest and destination.
So...
Now this is the time when players will be more inclined to use the witcher sense mode,
if they do indeed choose to do so.
This is another way to do it:
like I said above one could simply try and find it without witcher sense mode, once he or she is in the vicinity of the disappearing marker of our chosen quest. Plus all of this could work the same way with the mini map still turned on, as soon as we are close to the quest area then the marker just drops off our radar. Maybe add a subtle non- annoying sound as it drops out letting players once again know that they are close. Or even better like I also stated above, have Geralt for example say something before or after or while his medallion starts vibrating to let us know that we have arrived at our marker(s) destination.
It will still be up to the cdpr devs to decide the radius of when and where the
marker(s) should drop out, and if our main objective will be something we could easily find with the naked eye or not once the marker has vanished.
All of them are and should be doable for CDPR to implement in a way that players will still be free to choose the way they want to play it on their own.
First if we do indeed have the option to turn off the mini map then the witcher sense mode will be and seem way more useful to at least most of us as far as I can tell.
This is 1 way to do it: If we turn off the HUD mini map then we will have to
pause the game, then go to your map and look for the quest marker you want. Then un-pause and play and continue to travel in that direction some more until you think you might be close. Then pause the game again to check your map and if you are indeed close, the marker could be gone. Or simultaneously before you pause to look at your map again, Geralt's medallion could vibrate. Or Geralt might say something like while it vibrates like: "I think it's around here." Or "I must be close, I can feel it" Or " So this must be the place he/she/it was talking about" Hmm.. Or "It must be living or hiding in this spot".
ETC..ETC..depending on our quest and who is involved at the time.
Also at the same time like I said if you are indeed close to the area of your destination and Geralt does says something and or his medallion starts to vibrate, then the marker will also disappear off of the map in our pause menu at the same time.
This will happen because obviously we have just been informed and are now in some unspecified radius of our desired quest and destination.
So...
Now this is the time when players will be more inclined to use the witcher sense mode,
if they do indeed choose to do so.
This is another way to do it:
like I said above one could simply try and find it without witcher sense mode, once he or she is in the vicinity of the disappearing marker of our chosen quest. Plus all of this could work the same way with the mini map still turned on, as soon as we are close to the quest area then the marker just drops off our radar. Maybe add a subtle non- annoying sound as it drops out letting players once again know that they are close. Or even better like I also stated above, have Geralt for example say something before or after or while his medallion starts vibrating to let us know that we have arrived at our marker(s) destination.
It will still be up to the cdpr devs to decide the radius of when and where the
marker(s) should drop out, and if our main objective will be something we could easily find with the naked eye or not once the marker has vanished.
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Solid suggestions, pretty much all of them. CDPR devs, take note.
Although I don't necessarily see them reverting back from the current Witcher 2-like static medallion to the vibrating one from The Witcher 1.
Would be cool though, if they did.
And yes, absolutely, correct me if I'm missing something here, but with the mini map from the E3/gamescom build there's hardly any, if not any reason at all to use the Witcher Senses when there's the yellow, pulsating arrow marker directing Geralt in the right direction, not to mention the yellow radial overlay narrowing down the quest area, the exclamation pinpointing the exact location of the quest target or the little indicator below the time of day/weather status giving away the very information you're actually supposed to figure out by using the Witcher Senses.
It's almost if someone didn't think this quite through (or that the game was really running on the Witcher 3's equivalent to 'Thou needeth a wet-nurse').
Here's hoping CDPR actually takes note of the suggestions and proposed solutions in this thread or that they clear up the situation by confirming that the mini map (or the HUD in general) and some features of the Witcher Senses are actually customizable. And that rather sooner than later.
Otherwise I could imagine a lot of people just unconsciously ignoring/skipping the Witcher Senses completely, which would be a real shame, considering the work put into it and that it's actually a pretty rad addition to Geralt's repertoire.
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@schinderhannes
OMG Thank You!
I completely forgot about HERETIC, I liked that game when I was 13.
WOW.. I'm getting old lol...
Anyways, I'm glad you liked my ideas
OMG Thank You!
I completely forgot about HERETIC, I liked that game when I was 13.
WOW.. I'm getting old lol...
Anyways, I'm glad you liked my ideas
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After seeing more of the Witcher senses I have to give CDPR credit for not making it the jarring transition it is in the Arkham games. It's much more subtle. Whether it comes off as a crutch we have yet to see, but much of my skepticism has been allayed.
Let's hope CDPR likes them too.@schinderhannes
OMG Thank You!
I completely forgot about HERETIC, I liked that game when I was 13.
WOW.. I'm getting old lol...
Anyways, I'm glad you liked my ideas
Jackpot!
Jokes aside..
Well, it is explained that the "Witcher Senses" do NOT point you to quests. They just show you the environment, and what you can interact with. It is also used for monster hunting. TW2 had a similar thing. Called the "Witcher Medallion". "Witcher Senses" seem to me just an upgrade of that.
At least that is how I understand it.
Also here you go, you can continue the discussion here. Since a thread about Witcher Senses already exists.
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/30299-Witcher-senses-and-your-opinion-possible-down(up)grade-of-them
You are welcome Sid. That will be 1 wallet.
Jokes aside..
Well, it is explained that the "Witcher Senses" do NOT point you to quests. They just show you the environment, and what you can interact with. It is also used for monster hunting. TW2 had a similar thing. Called the "Witcher Medallion". "Witcher Senses" seem to me just an upgrade of that.
At least that is how I understand it.
Also here you go, you can continue the discussion here. Since a thread about Witcher Senses already exists.
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/30299-Witcher-senses-and-your-opinion-possible-down(up)grade-of-them
You are welcome Sid. That will be 1 wallet.
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Sounds more like as if @wahwah was trying to point out that the mini map actually does all the tracking instead of the Witcher Senses which, as far as I'm concerned could be considered a (minor) design flaw.
What's the point of following Johnny's highlighted foot prints when there's an exclamation mark on the mini map showing you the exact location of his hideout anyway?
What's the point of following the highlighted foot prints of the Werewolf when there's an arrow on the mini map pointing you in the right direction and some sort of tactical overlay (again on the mini map) showing you the approximate area the Werewolf's lair is located in?
What's the point of highlighting ledges via Witcher Senses when there's probably hardly any situation where you can't immediately tell the spots Geralt can pull himself up on anyway?
Like mentioned a page back, this won't be an issue if both the Witcher Senses and the mini map (or the HUD in general) are customizable but if that's not the case then, again, why using the Witcher Senses when the mini map actually does a pretty good (and way more convenient) job in telling where that lair or that creature or even what creature it is.
Isn't that what the Witcher Senses were actually designed for and are supposed to do in the first place? Figuring out where that lair or that creature or what creature it is Geralt's to go up against? And that without any or the most minimal help from the mini map?
And let's not forget the (imho) considerable gain in immersion the use of the Witcher Senses provide. You don't get that from the mini map.
What's the point of following Johnny's highlighted foot prints when there's an exclamation mark on the mini map showing you the exact location of his hideout anyway?
What's the point of following the highlighted foot prints of the Werewolf when there's an arrow on the mini map pointing you in the right direction and some sort of tactical overlay (again on the mini map) showing you the approximate area the Werewolf's lair is located in?
What's the point of highlighting ledges via Witcher Senses when there's probably hardly any situation where you can't immediately tell the spots Geralt can pull himself up on anyway?
Like mentioned a page back, this won't be an issue if both the Witcher Senses and the mini map (or the HUD in general) are customizable but if that's not the case then, again, why using the Witcher Senses when the mini map actually does a pretty good (and way more convenient) job in telling where that lair or that creature or even what creature it is.
Isn't that what the Witcher Senses were actually designed for and are supposed to do in the first place? Figuring out where that lair or that creature or what creature it is Geralt's to go up against? And that without any or the most minimal help from the mini map?
And let's not forget the (imho) considerable gain in immersion the use of the Witcher Senses provide. You don't get that from the mini map.
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Except that's not just like in the books.I would prefer an option/mode where there is no minimap and the only witcher abilities you ve got are aard, axi and heliotrop sign, just like in the books. would this be possible please? pretty please?
He uses Igni to fix a pot where they prepare the fish soup (him, Dandelion, Cahir, Angoulême, Milva and Regis).
He uses yrden to lock himself in the striga sarcophagus.
He uses Quen to shield himself from the djin/genie.
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Yeah well, there is a difference between using igni to fix a pot and using igni to burn hordes of enemies around you. same about the rest. the signs in the game are much too powerful compared to the books
Then again, the games play later on so there is quite some time in between, also Geralt is the most mutated one of the bunch and he was part of the Wild Hunt somehow and came back. ALl stuff that could play into his abilities.
That being said, I hope mages are more powerful this time and have other spells than Witchers. That would really help to showcase the mere difference of magical power between a mage and a Witcher.