Witcherettes of RED!

[petra_silie]

Witcherettes of RED!

My respect for the eight Witcherettes at the CDPR team 8)btw... the two secret projects you are working on... is one of them some kind of Rockstar game? Looks like as if Karolina Grochowska is doing some tests for it.... your secret is leaked out :wave:

 

[Corylea.723]

This article is advertised on the front page with this: "Valentine’s Day is upon us – a day for those in love, fully devoted to positive feelings. On this joyous occasion, we’ve decided to show off the more beautiful part of the RED team – the ladies that work on our games. And there is something to look at, as our girls are like beautiful flowers . So here you have eight lovely Witcherettes!"I guess there are a lot of cultural differences between Poland and the US, even in this age of worldwide distribution of media, since in the US, this article would be seen as condescending.My congratulations to the eight female Witchers of CDPR, for surviving in an environment where their co-workers seem to think that their gender is more important than anything else about them ... where they are seen more as "beautiful flowers" than as valued colleagues. All bad jokes about "joysticks" aside , last I heard, people designed games with their BRAINS, and you eight must have good ones, given the results we've all seen.Thanks, Edyta, Karolina, Magda, Magda, Joanna, Agnieszka, Patrycja, and Katarzyna, for all you do.

 

[username_2074899]

This article is advertised on the front page with this: "Valentine’s Day is upon us – a day for those in love, fully devoted to positive feelings. On this joyous occasion, we’ve decided to show off the more beautiful part of the RED team – the ladies that work on our games. And there is something to look at, as our girls are like beautiful flowers . So here you have eight lovely Witcherettes!"I guess there are a lot of cultural differences between Poland and the US, even in this age of worldwide distribution of media, since in the US, this article would be seen as condescending.My congratulations to the eight female Witchers of CDPR, for surviving in an environment where their co-workers seem to think that their gender is more important than anything else about them ... where they are seen more as "beautiful flowers" than as valued colleagues. All bad jokes about "joysticks" aside , last I heard, people designed games with their BRAINS, and you eight must have good ones, given the results we've all seen.Thanks, Edyta, Karolina, Magda, Magda, Joanna, Agnieszka, Patrycja, and Katarzyna, for all you do.

Is it impossible to be "beautiful flowers" and valued colleagues? That's where the differences between the US and Europe come up -- as you said, it could be seen as condescending by your average North American who's usually too sensitive to these things. But in other cultures, it's not a terrible thing to admire women for being women. That sense of admiration is completely gone in North America, and that's pretty damn sad.When I was editing the story I thought to myself, "well maybe I should change this stuff" but really... why?

 

[lovely_psycho]

"beautiful flowers"... When I was editing the story I thought to myself, "well maybe I should change this stuff" but really... why?

Hayfever concerns? Sorry.So, wait a sec.. if the Witcherettes (nice to meet some new RED faces, by the way) were introduced for Valentine's Day... what would the Friday the 13th edition have featured? :hmmm:

 

[ifayra]

So, wait a sec.. if the Witcherettes (nice to meet some new RED faces, by the way) were introduced for Valentine's Day... what would the Friday the 13th edition have featured? Mmm...

Those pics of the other team members were censored! Too cruel and too disturbing :evil: Might have caused an server crash eace:

 

[Corylea.723]

it could be seen as condescending by your average North American who's usually too sensitive to these things.

And who are you to decide what the appropriate amount of sensitivity is? Especially since you're a man -- walk in my shoes for a year, and then tell me that I'm too sensitive -- if you still can.

But in other cultures, it's not a terrible thing to admire women for being women. That sense of admiration is completely gone in North America, and that's pretty damn sad.

Well you see, the admiration of women for being women almost never occurs in isolation. It almost always occurs with seeing women as less than men. It almost always occurs with seeing women as having a role that's appropriate for them, and somehow that role never includes doing the most interesting work or being in charge. It almost always occurs with men treating women as if they were children. And so the way that many North Americans have chosen to handle these things is to have gender matter in our social lives and not in our work lives. I do hope that the RED women's lovers or spouses think of them as beautiful flowers, but their colleagues have a different role.

 

[Gamewidow]

i don't think it's a question of too sensitive ... the choice of words in that article (of course there are translation issues) is pretty unfortunate ... you say you *edited* that Tom ?it's really too bad to be introduced to the women of CDP in this manner. complimentary as the intention may have been, the piece is anything but.

 

[username_2074899]

I can certainly understand why the sensitivity exists... and there certainly are cases of gender discrimination -- not just in North America, but around the world. This isn't one of those. I didn't make huge sweeping edits to the article because if we were going to be so sensitive about the gender issue, we wouldn't have done an article on the women at RED at all! The article's written by guys who work very closely with these women and who are their friends -- so the social lives and business lives overlap. I do apologize to anyone who's offended by this, but in this case it's just a matter of perception; these women are respected in their positions and in some of their cases, they have much greater power and stature than us lowly men at the company . We wanted to remind everyone that game development is not just a male-dominated business. I'll make sure we're more sensitive in the future, but for now can we just appreciate the women for their contributions to the company's games (as we are trying to do)?

 

[username_2061769]

Raaaaaah lovely !!!!You can see the french translation here : http://www.thewitcherfrance.com/?page_id=652Bests regards and happy Saint Valentin misses :-*

 

[username_2061574]

A little bit late answer, but anyway here it is, Corylea. First of all: I don't intend to offend you in any way - just to be sure. I will start with your words - who are you that you say that those women work in a bad environment, you know about it less than the people from CD Projekt and something that offends you can be pleasant for them. Personally, if a group of my female colleagues selected me and some other guys to represent the company because of our physical appearance I would be mostly pleasantly suprised. From my experience, very few women in my country tend to be angry because of the attention of men (and the same with men and women's attention towards men). Women also very often treat men as juvenile, childish, stupid, lazy, etc. and nobody is much offended because of that (it's mutual and we/you don't mean it seriously -after all we will always end loving each other ). I think the difference between America and Europe is in perception of sex - which is in Europe considered a good thing - and ONLY good thing (if both partners are willing to do it, of course) and in America perhaps a bad thing (??). Men simply (more or less) treat women like sexual objects AND they know that women behave in the same way towards them (=women treat men - more or less - like sexual objects). We think that to deny that (to deny our sexuality) only leads towards problems and excessive aggression between men and women. Anyway, in my opinion, it is up to any human to decide when he or she should consider something "offensive". Again, of course, I fully accept your point of view and I hope the relations between us will remain equally friendly as they were till now. eace:

 

[zakneifen]

Sorry for my English, but I 'm Italian ^ ^ Congratulations to all eight girls you are beautiful. eace:

 

[Gamewidow]

i think you misunderstand corylea's intent here. she never suggested in any way that CDP is a bad place to work.it's just comments like "so what do you do little girl?" that rankle, can you not see the difference ?

 

[TheSilver]

I call a lot of my friends "little boys"... But thats mainly to creep them out. :evil:Anyhoo, quite a few intersting stories listed there.And I agree wholeheartly with lovely_pyscho, it is nice to see more of the RED Team!Here, have a

 

[username_2061574]

i think you misunderstand corylea's intent here. she never suggested in any way that CDP is a bad place to work.it's just comments like "so what do you do little girl?" that rankle, can you not see the difference ?

I think that these two things have a lot in common. Perhaps we could continue in this discussion in the community section. Anyway, as a Europian I can say I liked the article and found interesting that new piece of information about CDP RED.

 

[username_2071380]

I would imagine that the ladies have seen this by now, and if it doesn't bother them, it doesn't bother me.Thank you for the new info, guys. It's nice to see some more CDPR people. ;D~ Roxy

 

[mysterd]

That's pretty cool that Patrycja was a modder -- and then wound up suddenly with a job at RED.

 

[risa2000.636]

I have found this accidentally just now, but cannot resist to comment . Apart from the fact that the ladies are beautiful and have sense of humor I can only say that there is probably no need to be upset. In the end, they work for RED on Witcher and I have serious doubts that someone, who is professionally not highly competent would land a job at RED especially after the success they had. Taking into account also the track record of theirs PR output, which always seemed to me to be self-ironic (in a good way), this article perfectly fits in the picture.I can imagine that from US company, we probably could rather get for Valentine's day an audit report about gender equal environment or some nice commercial, but to be honest, I would probably find it neither interesting nor amusing. Way to go RED!