World is not interactive enough, thoughts?

[Triskilia]

I agree with you all. But you have to remember that we have to give up a lot because of the lack of time. It was absolutely necessary to release the game for Christmas. And so you can now see that the game is still not finished. Not the way it should be. There is a huge lack of options and possibilities. But we can hope that all of this will follow ...

 

[tavellone]

You know it's kind of funny that there seems to be more AI working on how the characters faces move than on the characters themselves and even that doesn't work properly either.

 

[martygod]

I understand you're not really complaining, more so just wishing but comments like this in general show how spoiled and entitled gamers are now. Instead of appreciating this beautiful detailed open world future city, which has never been done before to this scale btw, we're talking about why we can't chill and eat lunch. I mean they have to delegate their time on things that matter, it already took them 8 years to make this game and it's not even really done now. You don't hear people saying stuff like this about assassin's creed valhalla or other open world games because they don't expect it from them. It's like the more time and detail a dev puts in the more we expect instead of appreciating what they did. The problem is some people let their hype meter grow way out of control for certain games and expect things the dev can never live up too. Expect their wildest dreams to become reality through a dev team with limited time and resources. I'm not really directing this towards you, I know you're not being bitter and still appreciate the game, just in general us gamers are so insanely spoiled and entitled now. That's why everyone complains non stop about even the greatest games. I would have killed to have this when I was a kid playing qbert on atari or castlevania on nintendo. As it stands this game is a dream come true for me, I've always wanted an explorable future city and I absolutely love this game glitches and downgrade aside.

Yeah I get what you saying and I dont try to ditch the game its great and I am having fun with it .. but more interactivity would be nice, even the devs said so that there will be a lot of interactivity and "things to do" to hang out. Its nothing unrealistic or too much to ask for, so many games and huge games released in the past has it (eating, drinking, minigames etc.) hell even Witcher 3 had Gwent which was awesome.

Game is great but the world need some more filling and life outside of story and missions.

 

[Metropolice]

I understand you're not really complaining, more so just wishing but comments like this in general show how spoiled and entitled gamers are now. Instead of appreciating this beautiful detailed open world future city, which has never been done before to this scale btw, we're talking about why we can't chill and eat lunch. I mean they have to delegate their time on things that matter, it already took them 8 years to make this game and it's not even really done now. You don't hear people saying stuff like this about assassin's creed valhalla or other open world games because they don't expect it from them. It's like the more time and detail a dev puts in the more we expect instead of appreciating what they did. The problem is some people let their hype meter grow way out of control for certain games and expect things the dev can never live up too. Expect their wildest dreams to become reality through a dev team with limited time and resources. I'm not really directing this towards you, I know you're not being bitter and still appreciate the game, just in general us gamers are so insanely spoiled and entitled now. That's why everyone complains non stop about even the greatest games. I would have killed to have this when I was a kid playing qbert on atari or castlevania on nintendo. As it stands this game is a dream come true for me, I've always wanted an explorable future city and I absolutely love this game glitches and downgrade aside.

You're not wrong, of course, but in a sense your post results in a side effect, even if maybe an unwanted one. Yes, there is much excessive complaining, in general and currently.

But it's also somewhat questionable to imply, maybe just between the lines and maybe in unintended fashion, that complaining about unfinished or not sufficiently tested aspects is being an "entitled gamer".

If you're happy with the game "overall", that's fine. But (even if you don't mean it like that) one can't push away valid criticism as being entitled just because you are happy with what you got. Why? I feel that would inadvertently validate bad business practices - the game simply isn't as ready in some areas that were, however, implied or shown to be through marketing.

While some level of hiccups and bugs must be "permitted" or expected, we cannot begin accepting that throwing unfinished games out there that only reach the initially intended scope after release or through unpaid or, worse, paid content (DLC).

I appreciate parts of the game (storytelling, many quests, how the world was made even though it lacks some deeper level of interaction). But I think critique of the world related interactions is valid. Because some things already clearly exist in main or side quests. You regularly sit, drink and eat with others. You go to the first ripper doc and sit down, select things from a menu. Outside of scripted interactions, you don't have it. You can honk your car and play with the lights, but not walk.

I think what people refer to is being somewhat "inconsequential" and I think it is perfectly ok to voice those concerns - without being entitled or spoiled. Then again, the game had other expectations. High expectations. Some surely unrealistic, but some parts of the product we got were underwhelming.

 

[DavinF]

Less talkative NPCs ever.

If you are referring to just random people walking around the street sure - but if you count up the NPCs that you interact with throughout quests - there are a lot. How much do you want to talk to randos anyway?

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[prime853]

I understand you're not really complaining, more so just wishing but comments like this in general show how spoiled and entitled gamers are now. Instead of appreciating this beautiful detailed open world future city, which has never been done before to this scale btw, we're talking about why we can't chill and eat lunch. I mean they have to delegate their time on things that matter, it already took them 8 years to make this game and it's not even really done now. You don't hear people saying stuff like this about assassin's creed valhalla or other open world games because they don't expect it from them. It's like the more time and detail a dev puts in the more we expect instead of appreciating what they did. The problem is some people let their hype meter grow way out of control for certain games and expect things the dev can never live up too. Expect their wildest dreams to become reality through a dev team with limited time and resources. I'm not really directing this towards you, I know you're not being bitter and still appreciate the game, just in general us gamers are so insanely spoiled and entitled now. That's why everyone complains non stop about even the greatest games. I would have killed to have this when I was a kid playing qbert on atari or castlevania on nintendo. As it stands this game is a dream come true for me, I've always wanted an explorable future city and I absolutely love this game glitches and downgrade aside.

no they dont mate. they show that Devs shouldnt over promise and under deliver. alot of us expected no more than what was either shown or spoken about across the vast amount of Marketing that really gave the impression of a ground breaking RPG experience only to deliver something thats not really new and exciting bar the vast city scape. there is a lot of reasons to be disappointed and its not being entitled. its being misled

 

[tavellone]

I understand you're not really complaining, more so just wishing but comments like this in general show how spoiled and entitled gamers are now. Instead of appreciating this beautiful detailed open world future city, which has never been done before to this scale btw, we're talking about why we can't chill and eat lunch. I mean they have to delegate their time on things that matter, it already took them 8 years to make this game and it's not even really done now. You don't hear people saying stuff like this about assassin's creed valhalla or other open world games because they don't expect it from them. It's like the more time and detail a dev puts in the more we expect instead of appreciating what they did. The problem is some people let their hype meter grow way out of control for certain games and expect things the dev can never live up too. Expect their wildest dreams to become reality through a dev team with limited time and resources. I'm not really directing this towards you, I know you're not being bitter and still appreciate the game, just in general us gamers are so insanely spoiled and entitled now. That's why everyone complains non stop about even the greatest games. I would have killed to have this when I was a kid playing qbert on atari or castlevania on nintendo. As it stands this game is a dream come true for me, I've always wanted an explorable future city and I absolutely love this game glitches and downgrade aside.

You're god damn right I'm entitled. I'm entitled to a working product that I spent £50 on. Who the fuck calls someone complaining about a broken product 'entitled'. And yes you're right, people don't expect this from games like assassin's creed Valhalla and that is the problem. There aren't enough entitled people willing to say I am not going to stand for this broken piece of shit pumped out from the factory line sequel number 75. Unfortunately there are too many people who are willing to buy broken ham hashed lumps of shit and accept it time after time.

The reason this game is getting such a beating is because this company went out of its way to market itself as not like triple a companies willing to churn out broken products for profit and they did it in an incredibly smug fashion. Lo and behold a few years later and a few extra 0s at the end of the corporate bank account and they're doing the same thing they lambasted other companies for.

 

[prime853]

You're god damn right I'm entitled. I'm entitled to a working product that I spent £50 on. Who the fuck calls someone complaining about a broken product 'entitled'. And yes you're right, people don't expect this from games like assassin's creed Valhalla and that is the problem. There aren't enough entitled people willing to say I am not going to stand for this broken piece of shit pumped out from the factory line sequel number 75. Unfortunately there are too many people who are willing to buy broken ham hashed lumps of shit and accept it time after time.

The reason this game is getting such a beating is because this company went out of its way to market itself as not like triple a companies willing to churn out broken products for profit and they did it in an incredibly smug fashion. Lo and behold a few years later and a few extra 0s at the end of the corporate bank account and they're doing the same thing they lambasted other companies for.

strong wording strong wording but points are super valid indeed.

 

[feckyer1ife]

The story ruins the world. They need to fix the bullshit story first. This game was poorly designed.

 

[DavinF]

you missing the point, nobody says "Please allow us to interract with food vendors and hotdog stands" its just one of the examples of touching the Night City,

arcade cabinets are just for show,
pachinko machines for show,
slot machines for show,
pool tables for show,
GO tabletop game is for show,
strip clubs are just for show,
karaoke dance clubs just for show,
hotdog stands just for show,

see where i am going with this ? everything is just for show and cannot be touched. food vendors is just one of many things that are closed for players.

You can group arcade and other machines into one - I agree I'd like to play an arcade game or slot machine. But you expect or want to play GO or pool? I'm playing a FPS action/rpg game, why would I want to sit down and play a game of GO? If I do i can log off and play that one my desktop. You expect to do karaoke?
Look - I get it, more interactive elements could/should be there - remember though the game is already like 60gb. You want 100gb? Is it going to really make/break your day/experience if you can eat a hod dog? How many times would you have done that if you could..? What do you want to happen in a strip club? I mean you can pay for some sex..
Technically you do interact with arcades and machines - even if it's pretty much dumb and repetitive. And that is an example of how it wouldn't make your game complete if you could do more.. whatever more you could do would still get repetitive.

It seems people were looking for the ultimate game ever that has never existed. Comparing to GTA isn't fair because we are referring to the GTA sequels.. this isn't Cyberpunk 4.. it's the first one

 

[Aris1368]

You can group arcade and other machines into one - I agree I'd like to play an arcade game or slot machine. But you expect or want to play GO or pool? I'm playing a FPS action/rpg game, why would I want to sit down and play a game of GO? If I do i can log off and play that one my desktop. You expect to do karaoke?
Look - I get it, more interactive elements could/should be there - remember though the game is already like 60gb. You want 100gb? Is it going to really make/break your day/experience if you can eat a hod dog? How many times would you have done that if you could..? What do you want to happen in a strip club? I mean you can pay for some sex..
Technically you do interact with arcades and machines - even if it's pretty much dumb and repetitive. And that is an example of how it wouldn't make your game complete if you could do more.. whatever more you could do would still get repetitive.

It seems people were looking for the ultimate game ever that has never existed. Comparing to GTA isn't fair because we are referring to the GTA sequels.. this isn't Cyberpunk 4.. it's the first one

Sleeping dogs was also the first game (and last) yet the open world aspect was everything we wished cyberpunk was, and more.

 

[prime853]

You can group arcade and other machines into one - I agree I'd like to play an arcade game or slot machine. But you expect or want to play GO or pool? I'm playing a FPS action/rpg game, why would I want to sit down and play a game of GO? If I do i can log off and play that one my desktop. You expect to do karaoke?
Look - I get it, more interactive elements could/should be there - remember though the game is already like 60gb. You want 100gb? Is it going to really make/break your day/experience if you can eat a hod dog? How many times would you have done that if you could..? What do you want to happen in a strip club? I mean you can pay for some sex..
Technically you do interact with arcades and machines - even if it's pretty much dumb and repetitive. And that is an example of how it wouldn't make your game complete if you could do more.. whatever more you could do would still get repetitive.

It seems people were looking for the ultimate game ever that has never existed. Comparing to GTA isn't fair because we are referring to the GTA sequels.. this isn't Cyberpunk 4.. it's the first one

Personally id expect nothing less than 100gb and was admittedly surprised and wrongly impressed by the fact this game was only around 60gb.
Games like Call Of Duty should be 60gb. Games like Cyberpunk 2077 should be 150gb+

As for looking for the ultimate game, some of us went in with expectations no greater than the ones the clearly well paid marketing team gave us

 

[Metropolice]

As for looking for the ultimate game, some of us went in with expectations no greater than the ones the clearly well paid marketing team gave us

A bit ironic that, unintentional, some things became very true to the motto "Style over substance".

 

[prime853]

A bit ironic that, unintentional, some things became very true to the motto "Style over substance".

im pretty sure "looks are everything" was actually a tag used for marketing.... *insert palpatine Ironic meme*

 

[DavinF]

I guess I didn't see all these expectations marketing gave us. I haven't followed the development and really got ads/articles during this year. So far I haven't had anything missing that I saw would be there. I'd welcome any examples.

 

[martygod]

You can group arcade and other machines into one - I agree I'd like to play an arcade game or slot machine. But you expect or want to play GO or pool? I'm playing a FPS action/rpg game, why would I want to sit down and play a game of GO? If I do i can log off and play that one my desktop. You expect to do karaoke?
Look - I get it, more interactive elements could/should be there - remember though the game is already like 60gb. You want 100gb? Is it going to really make/break your day/experience if you can eat a hod dog? How many times would you have done that if you could..? What do you want to happen in a strip club? I mean you can pay for some sex..
Technically you do interact with arcades and machines - even if it's pretty much dumb and repetitive. And that is an example of how it wouldn't make your game complete if you could do more.. whatever more you could do would still get repetitive.

It seems people were looking for the ultimate game ever that has never existed. Comparing to GTA isn't fair because we are referring to the GTA sequels.. this isn't Cyberpunk 4.. it's the first one

I cant agree with you

1. That the game is also action FPS doesnt mean it should not have some minigames and interactivity, I would say its even something average player expect from an openworld set in a huge city in 2020. RDR2 had poker or blackjack I can play that outside the game everytime I want also yet I spend so much time playing it in game. It adds immersion it adds life and fun into the world, and sometimes you dont want to jump from mission to mission when in openworld game you just want to relax and hang out for a while and thats what interactions and minigames in open world games are for in my opinion.

2. That the game would have 100GB is not a valid argument its not some goliath size by today standarts ... as someone said above I actually expected the game to have 100GB+ size. I mean most of us has at least 1TB space and even if you dont then when you want to play the game you make room for it.

3.The first GTA came what somewhere in 1997 or so? In that time I think people dont even come across the idea of having some interactions or minigames in acutal games, nobody even thougt of that. But now man its 2020 there are dozens or even hundrets of games with worlds with tons of interactions and minigames and immersion etc. (look at GTA SA that had insane amount of world interactions and it came out in like 2005 so 15 years ago) They had so many other games to get inspired by, so if they told us that we will experience next generation of open world I think its fair that all players expect the interactions automaticaly.

 

[Aris1368]

I guess I didn't see all these expectations marketing gave us. I haven't followed the development and really got ads/articles during this year. So far I haven't had anything missing that I saw would be there. I'd welcome any examples.

Pretty much the whole 2018 gameplay reveal is filled with promises and statements about the game that were not even slightly met.

 

[prime853]

I guess I didn't see all these expectations marketing gave us. I haven't followed the development and really got ads/articles during this year. So far I haven't had anything missing that I saw would be there. I'd welcome any examples.

This isnt a cop out when i say there is too much to list man. legit feel free to take the time to go back and watch the marketing material. it was 100% promoted to be much more than it was. comments from devs, writers, gameplay footage, voice overs etc all speaking about things such as "1000 hand crafted daily routines for NPCs" and the game being "First and foremost, an RPG"

yeah na.. and there is a lot more

 

[stevevnomes]

That's my takeaway too.

The graphics are stunning, the OST/soundtrack is great, the VAs are great, the story is really good so far. It's really great and impressive from a technical and artistic POV (ignoring bugs). But...

... it feels hollow. Its like there is a foundation but the details are missing, the nuance. A lot of mechanics that should be standard are not in there. A lot of elements that should be a no-brainer for an RPG when it comes to customizability, ineraction with the world, chaning your style, seeing your style regularily in mirrors or glass or whatever, transmog vs. gear stats, basic stealth elements, retrievable (throwing)knifes, even some of the keybinds and mechanics that have been standard in the industry for years are just handled weirdly. And yea, a lot of waste-of-space. Restaurants and shops are cool, but only if I can actually interact with them, immerse myself. I don't need to buy a coffee if I don't even get an animation for it. Might as well buy 20 of them. But a real RPG lets you walk up, but the cofee, sit down and drink it there. These little things go a long way. I don't like to say it, but even though it's not an RPG, Deus Ex (the original) was a better RPG for it's time than this in many areas.

I feel like I just bought the Players Handbook for DnD 5e, but a portion of the content is missing, and there are no modules out for it yet. A lot of potential and setup, the construct is there, but there is no substance (aside from the story itself).

Yeah I'm guessing that all was cut to get it out by end of year because you can see it's there the potential like the baseline was setup to expand later in development but they ran out of time. I'm guessing they had to make a choice what to focus on and spent the extra time trying to get acceptable performance for console. The good news is that the baseline is there so they could potentially add more later. That is a long way off now though as cucumber bugs and performance issues should be the top priority going into next year

 

[bicho117]

This game could be one of the best this gen but there's so much stuff missing, stuff that seems obvious, like how come I can't sit in a bench in the park outside of quests? How come I can't order food and have an animation? They already made all of this stuff for the quests but it's completely missing from the open world.

Hope they release an enhanced edition in a year, the foundation is really good, but like I said, there's a lot missing, I guess they ran out of time.