World is not interactive enough, thoughts?

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I agree with a lot that has been said in this thread. I took notes as I was playing and my "niggles" list (annoying but not necessary) is longer than the cool things and the issues list:

FYI, PC 10600k/2060S/1080p Ultra settings with RT, 40-55fps

Issues:
-Glitching during the Panam cave attack... literally wound up insider he head during the drive in.
-My character is not showing up in the reflective glass like the npc does (and the NPC looks like crap)
-Head gear not showing up in the mirror.
-I randomly pop out of crouch/stealth mode when I trip over a piece of trash
-"I Fought The Law" checkpoint bug still exists, can't complete.

Annoying:
Mostly just immersion issues and simple things I would expect to already be in an A+ game with a 6 year dev time.
-Drivers, their arms don't move with the steering wheel, it just rotates under their hands.
-Delemain (SPOILER)
When you get a Delemain taxi at the end of a certain quest, but it's just a driveable car. I was expecting since it has a self driving AI to be, you know, able to drive by itself? Give it a destination and it takes you there, but nope, boring car
-NPC banter repetitive. You hear the start of something interesting and then it trails off.
-Cars need to be able to be modified, also the steering is numb and vague
-Driver AI is dumb, like GTA IV dumb.
-Stealth needs an upgrade. As long as you aren't in the enemies' cone of vision they can't see you even after knocking over a bunch of trash making a lot of noise and standing in a spotlight.
-Important NPC conversations get cut off by events, you drive to an area too fast and this interesting conversation you are having abruptly ends and goes into the next scene.
-Street NPC's are horribly repetitive, can see the same NPC 3 times within couple of minutes walking down the street.
-The risque aspect isn't there, for a city of corruption and evil, a slave to all the baseness in humanity, exemplifying the seven deadly sins... V really comes across as a white knight not a merc. I guess that's ok, but Silverhand is a MUCH better representative of what I thought this game was going to be. He's gritty, self-centered, passionate, unpredictable, and violent. He basks in the chaos he creates. And then he becomes a wet nurse to V. I enjoyed playing him in the sequences.

I could go on, but this is not what I was expecting. If anything, this release feels like Skyrim, but at least Skyrim made interesting NPC's. We cut Bethesda a lot of slack for Elder Scrolls 5 because of all the bugs, but the game was (and still is) immersive and epic. They also handed us the keys to the game with the Toolkit and said "have fun!", I hope you do the same.

You are not Bethesda, this is not 2009, you oversold the game. It is not a crushing disappointment, but it's like getting a sweater for Christmas instead of a PS5 from your grandma.
 
I'm okay with how interactive the world is! It isn't GTA, even though I feel like a lot of people hyped it up in their heads that way.
 
I can see why there were certain communicators pointing out "It's not GTA!" in the months leading up to release. Because it certainly isn't, not even close. I've seen a lot of pie-in-the-sky expectations from a lot of people, such as the idea you should be able to work a regular job or whatever. Lots of very unreasonable ideas of how this should be "Life Simulator 2077".

But the fact that 99% of this drop-dead GORGEOUS city they've created is nothing but idle window-dressing is just a crushing shame. There's so much vibrance in the world, so many petty amusements scattered around. Slot machines, arcades, bars, vendors... And it's all just there teasing you.

What little is there, bartenders and food shops, are utterly pointless because all they do is give you an barter screen to buy drinks that you've already got dozens of from looting the world anyway. The little things, like just being able to SIT DOWN at a bar, order a drink and actually DRINK IT while you take in the ambiance would go so far for comparatively minimal work and it's just not there.
 
Whyyyy sooooo manyyyy vending machines?! It's like they just plopped em down all over the place to take up space. Idk, not a huge deal, but kind of immersion breaking.

Also, would have been neat if they had cyberware that allowed more parqor, wall/environment climbing....imagine how cool it would be if we could eventually get some mods that allowed V to climb skyscrapers, sides of budings, etc, a'la Assassibs Creed type environmental interaction? Kinda bummed thats not an option to attain at some point. Imagine climbing a huge building, that has a quest at the top you have to get to, and it only unlocks if you have the cyberware/ability...and imagine how cool the city would look 12 storys up on the side of a skyscraper.

There's sooooo much potential in this game, i really hope they evolve the shit out of it now that it's releaesed and that pressure is off.
 
I agree more could be added, but I'm not sure what people really want. Do you want to interact with every single food vendor? For what? Maybe at first that would be cool, but day 15 you won't be talking to the 80th food vendor anymore...
People react, just not much - I've never seen a game where everyone walking around did something significant.

I was disappointed you can't play the arcade/casino games. I'd like to be able to do the gun range any time, car customization would be lit. However I'm having tons of fun
 
I agree more could be added, but I'm not sure what people really want. Do you want to interact with every single food vendor? For what? Maybe at first that would be cool, but day 15 you won't be talking to the 80th food vendor anymore...
People react, just not much - I've never seen a game where everyone walking around did something significant.

The point is not to interact with every single food vendor in the game, the point is that having food vendors being interactable goes a long way of making the world feel alive and believable. I've never tried every single restaurant in my city, but I know that if I wanted to, I could step into any one of them. That's what makes the world real.
 
The problem is the marketing of this game. They made it look like we're going to be able to do all these mentioned things. I read many times how this world will look like real, how you'll connect to V like to any other character because it's from 1sr person view...well...let me tell you I just can't connect to this world or to V that much like to other games/worlds/characters
There was/is a LOT of cut content, i dont know why thougy
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Yeah game is not at all what devs promised. No full nudity in game, no npc reactions to your appearance (even if naked) lack of interactivity with the city, the origins barely have any depth or lore or impact(im not too far in but I've seen a ton of missed opportunities already), romance options are blah and no trans options, character creator blows(looks good but blows) No cool clothing options, or sexy ones for that matter, LOTS of cut content it seems.
Combat for me is fine, as long as its decent I sort mind.
Not really as adult as they said it was, not a ton of mature options really
 
I agree more could be added, but I'm not sure what people really want. Do you want to interact with every single food vendor? For what? Maybe at first that would be cool, but day 15 you won't be talking to the 80th food vendor anymore...
People react, just not much - I've never seen a game where everyone walking around did something significant.

I was disappointed you can't play the arcade/casino games. I'd like to be able to do the gun range any time, car customization would be lit. However I'm having tons of fun

you missing the point, nobody says "Please allow us to interract with food vendors and hotdog stands" its just one of the examples of touching the Night City,

arcade cabinets are just for show,
pachinko machines for show,
slot machines for show,
pool tables for show,
GO tabletop game is for show,
strip clubs are just for show,
karaoke dance clubs just for show,
hotdog stands just for show,

see where i am going with this ? everything is just for show and cannot be touched. food vendors is just one of many things that are closed for players.
 

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you missing the point, nobody says "Please allow us to interract with food vendors and hotdog stands" its just one of the examples of touching the Night City,

arcade cabinets are just for show,
pachinko machines for show,
slot machines for show,
pool tables for show,
GO tabletop game is for show,
strip clubs are just for show,
karaoke dance clubs just for show,
hotdog stands just for show,

see where i am going with this ? everything is just for show and cannot be touched. food vendors is just one of many things that are closed for players.
I'd say everything but the scritped quest is just for show. This makes all the years spent to create night city useless, unless they plan to support this game for 15 years adding content to that. Which I doubt.
 
i doubt we get much more content, they will fix major bugs in few months, then they will make 1 or 2 DLC that are like prequel or something else boring that will reset your stats or play as different character. And then they will make some bs multiplayer mode.
and after that we will wait for Witcher 4
 
I've created an account to talk exactly about this OP.

1. Cops and their drones spawn on top of you.
2. No police chases.
3. No civilian motor bike riders.
4. No Trauma Teams arriving at the scene where there was a shootout. Trauma Teams were introduced in the story mission like this big thing...
5. Civilian driving AI is terrible, creating traffic clots everywhere.
6. Civilians are not reacting to you killing gang bangers, yeah they duck, and stay that way until you go away and they are reloaded or you reload the game.
7. There are places that you shouldn't go but you can with jump implants, and you can see the lack of attention to details because they thought you won't notice.

I don't understand this, how big was the development team? What were they doing for 8 years? Engine development took how much of that time? Is the focus was the MultiPlayer aspect of the game?

Who made the control scheme? Can't rebind crucial keys, can't adjust crucial settings like "Bloom" that causes the sun look like a nuclear bomb drops every day at 8:00AM in the morning. Used a MOD to actually turn it off.

Why is the inventory so lacking? Can't mark guns for junk, can't mark favorite guns to avoid trashing them.
Wasn't this already a thing in the Witcher Series?

What is the point of so many consumables if you can't assign them to a permanent quick slot?
You want me to go into the inventory and use a few and then use another few? That is so unintuitive and uncomfortable.

I am not bothered by the bugs, i am bothered by the incompetence.
CDPR, cmon' like seriously.
All you had to do is look at GTA and RDR, and draw some inspiration for features and their foundation.

I still enjoy the game, but that feeling will never cease to creep up on you while you walk the streets..

It seems we will never get that living breathing world. Just a museum of neon lights.
 
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I'm having a blast with this game. Night City is by far the most beautiful city I have ever experienced in a game. This being said I agree with the topic and it's a shame. I really hope CDPR will continue working on the game and adding content, even outside of the announced addons. It has the potential to become a masterpiece. The framework is there. Story, characters, the world , music, graphics, gameplay are all good or great. They just need to add content to fill the world.
 

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I've created an account to talk exactly about this OP.

1. Cops and their drones spawn on top of you.
2. No police chases.
3. No civilian motor bike riders.
4. No Trauma Teams arriving at the scene where there was a shootout. Trauma Teams were introduced in the story mission like this big thing...
5. Civilian driving AI is terrible, creating traffic clots everywhere.
6. Civilians are not reacting to you killing gang bangers, yeah they duck, and stay that way until you go away and they are reloaded or you reload the game.
7. There are places that you shouldn't go but you can with jump implants, and you can see the lack of attention to details because they thought you won't notice.

I don't understand this, how big was the development team? What were they doing for 8 years? Engine development took how much of that time? Is the focus was the MultiPlayer aspect of the game?

Who made the control scheme? Can't rebind crucial keys, can't adjust crucial settings like "Bloom" that causes the sun look like a nuclear bomb drops every day at 8:00AM in the morning. Used a MOD to actually turn it off.

Why is the inventory so lacking? Can't mark guns for junk, can't mark favorite guns to avoid trashing them.
Wasn't this already a thing in the Witcher Series?

What is the point of so many consumables if you can't assign them to a permanent quick slot?
You want me to go into the inventory and use a few and then use another few? That is so unintuitive and uncomfortable.

I am not bothered by the bugs, i am bothered by the incompetence.
CDPR, cmon' like seriously.
All you had to do is look at GTA and RDR, and draw some inspiration for features and their foundation.

I still enjoy the game, but that feeling will never cease to creep up on you while you walk the streets..

It seems we will never get that living breathing world. Just a museum of neon lights.
I guess they thought that looking at carefully hand-crafted trash, or a cold wall with graffiti on it would give you enough immersion gameplay wise. Oh well..
Usually you do these things AFTER you created a functioning world, not before and forgetting mechanics that actually make a city or a community ALIVE and part of said City.
 
Dialogues with main characters are awesome. The animations, the mimics, the poses, the voice overs... OMG it feels like an art.
However, contrast with main characters, the world feels very very empty. In games like Bloodlines, Deus Ex, Deus EX: HR, you have some interaction with common folk. You watch them pee on the back alleys, dance on the crowded places, and even chit chat with you with a few lines.
Cyberpunk 2077 sems like neglected those interactivities and interactions.
There are a lot of shops but not many "real people".
I don't expect mini-games like a Yakuza game, but still if we had some interactions with people on the city, that would emphasize the already rich atmosphere of the city. Why we can't watch singers/dancers? Why we can't give money to the beggars? Why we can't talk the news with random strangers? Why we can't watch NPCs doing some daily routines?

I hope they would improve those aspects of the game quickly.
 
Is PCWORLD getting paid for reviews now???


"Cars pack the streets in GTA-like fashion, though Cyberpunk 2077 features more intelligent driver AI that actually tries to stay out of your way. "

"It’s also been refreshingly bug-free so far. "

"CD Projekt Red had the weight of the world on its shoulders, but Cyberpunk 2077 delivers. I can’t think of a single significant complaint. "
 
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can someone explain to me why you all guys wants to add more interaction, if the game doesnt let you play once you finish it?
 
I don't think people were expecting to enter every building and talk to every NPC. But TW3 had a routine for most NPCs, and that game had big cities too. Not NC-sized, but still. Same goes for interactions and stuff like eating animations, sitting, parking spots, mini-games, roleplay opportunities, etc.

It is a shame they neglected NPC routines in this game. Yes I know this is not just a town and a big city with even more people (in theory) but they could implement similar NPC routines to this game too...

 
i doubt we get much more content, they will fix major bugs in few months, then they will make 1 or 2 DLC that are like prequel or something else boring that will reset your stats or play as different character. And then they will make some bs multiplayer mode.
and after that we will wait for Witcher 4

many people rightly fear that CD focus is now in GaaS aka multiplayer and will do a few bug fixes but the predominant focus will be on pushing out multiplayer and won't really add any more content, not even the promised ones like train system, multi apartments, dual welding, wall running, robot companion etc etc that were cut due to time constraints etc...

i mean at this point, having essentially fooled the consumer once, they should no longer get the benefit of the doubt and that trust must be earned henceforth and not given away on cheap and easy credit... so to speak...
 
- Restaurants and bars ... sadly they are completely obsolete and not worth going in there, its just an inventory barter same as with the food machines and since all food gives same boost you just dont have to go there ever ... why you cant just sit around the bar or restaurant drink or eat something with some animations and chill you know maybe watch some strippers and give them some eddies you know

Seriously ? You've punched out the bouncer to cut the line and get in to the bars, right ? Got some great Photomode shots in a bar in Watson (haven't even finished prologue yet), after V forced her way in ;) Can also engage in a dancing sequence in there which changes photomode (which was kinda sh*t TBH, but I'm seeing that with 'cutscenes' ... guess I'll have to break out Ansel for THOSE) ....
 
Money taken lesson learned. I bought this game with pre-order cos after witcher i thought CD wont fake things. The Truth... CD doesnt give us what they really promised and i hope the management will learn their lesson and wont count only the money. I hope they will tell us the truth why they couldnt deliver what they promisd.. First of all. This game right now a skeleton nothin else main story + side quest and we are done. The city is dead and i think they cant/wont change this so yeah. I reaaally hope they wont dare sell dlc to put extra contect in.. Packd with everything u could ask for.. but u cant do anything with them. Look a shop/bar/club/food/drogs/cars etc lets go and enjoy it!!! ...ups.. cant there is no option to enjoy the RPG/open world.. u cant change ur character once done u stick with it.. there goes the "everything bout fasion" trailer right? Police/ gangs are joke.. u could wipe out the city w8 for a little and everything back to normal. The Ai is stupid.. Save citizen from gang members and they stay right there...holding their heads... no thanks no contect no feedbacks.
 
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