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[prince_of_nothing]

Watch dogs is cross gen shit, and the folks who made that game are clearly nothing like the devs @ CDPR.

This kind of supports my point. Watch Dogs was a cross gen title with inferior graphics but lots of simulation and it still required Ubisoft to lower the resolution from 1080 to 900p to get acceptable performance..

Witcher 3 on the other hand is a full blown next gen title with better graphics than Watch Dogs, and even more simulation so it will surely be even more demanding..

I'm just saying don't get your hopes up for native 1080p on the PS4.. CDPR is targeting 1080p, but whether it sticks until the final release remains to be seen. The only guarantee for 1080p is on the PC, provided you have the proper hardware..

 

[Shelledfade]

Why is it that developers at CD Projekt Red say that the Witcher 3 will not be able to have 1080p/60fps on Xbox One? When there are games like Diablo 3 a port is able to reach a 1080p/60fps on the Xbox One? Can someone explain this?

Diablo 3 isn't nearly as graphically intensive compared to a game like this. The textures in diablo 3 are way lower resolution compared to this game, also there is way less happening on the screen due to the way the view is setup at a downward angle in diablo 3.

 

[crimzonwarrior]

This kind of supports my point. Watch Dogs was a cross gen title with inferior graphics but lots of simulation and it still required Ubisoft to lower the resolution from 1080 to 900p to get acceptable performance..

Witcher 3 on the other hand is a full blown next gen title with better graphics than Watch Dogs, and even more simulation so it will surely be even more demanding..

I'm just saying don't get your hopes up for native 1080p on the PS4.. CDPR is targeting 1080p, but whether it sticks until the final release remains to be seen. The only guarantee for 1080p is on the PC, provided you have the proper hardware..

Watch dogs wasn't shit because it was demanding graphically, or even because it was cross gen. It was shit because it was made by a bunch of incompetent fools using an engine that had no business being used the way it was. I mean hell have you seen this? GTA 4 had better graphics, and physics than a game from seven years later. It also ran a hell of a lot better on way lower requirements.

Witcher 3 is the exact same way. Yeah it looks better, and is more technically impressive, but you know what else it is? Better designed.

 

[prince_of_nothing]

Watch dogs wasn't shit because it was demanding graphically, or even because it was cross gen. It was shit because it was made by a bunch of incompetent fools using an engine that had no business being used the way it was. I mean hell have you seen this? GTA 4 had better graphics, and physics than a game from seven years later. It also ran a hell of a lot better on way lower requirements.

No way man. Watch Dogs is way more technically advanced than GTA IV in almost every conceivable manner with the possible exception of vehicle physics. Watch Dogs is DX11, uses global illumination, tessellation on characters and the environment, soft shadows, HBAO+, water simulation, weather simulation, wind simulation, cloth simulation, traffic simulation, real time reflections, dozens of dynamic light sources and the list goes on..

The emulated City of Chicago is also more densely populated with various A.I routines, very diverse animation sets and unique building structures.. You can also enter many of the buildings in Watch Dogs as well... For all it's flaws, Watch Dogs gets plenty of things right and introduces some interesting mechanics, some of which have never been seen before like the camera hacking..

Even GTA V on last gen would not be able to compete with Watch Dogs technically..

Witcher 3 is the exact same way. Yeah it looks better, and is more technically impressive, but you know what else it is? Better designed.

Witcher 3 will be more technically advanced than Watch dogs, that's a certainty. Better designed though? That's a huge assumption. I have great faith in CDPR, but Ubisoft has way more experience making games. Watch Dogs was well designed. The only thing was that releasing on last gen hardware definitely held it back, and the PC version's resource management was not properly optimized for PC architecture..

There's nothing that can be done about the former, but the latter, Ubisoft is definitely addressing the performance issues for the PC..

 

[Jamessh1]

Hmm.. So.. XBONE 900p @ 60fps & PS4 1080p @ 30fps I'm cool with that too.

Anyone else expecting XB1 at a mostly steady 900p @30fps and PS4 @ rock solid 30fps with better AA?

I've got the CE edition pre-ordered at two places for XB1 (just to be safe) but don't anticipate this to have graphical parity to the PS4. And don't really care as long as I get a chance to play my first Witcher game

 

[Sibladosi]

Well, just watched this...

[video=youtube;o4XkjP-D9bA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4XkjP-D9bA[/video]

It... something =D!

 

[crimzonwarrior]

No way man. Watch Dogs is way more technically advanced than GTA IV in almost every conceivable manner with the possible exception of vehicle physics. Watch Dogs is DX11, uses global illumination, tessellation on characters and the environment, soft shadows, HBAO+, water simulation, weather simulation, wind simulation, cloth simulation, traffic simulation, real time reflections, dozens of dynamic light sources and the list goes on..

The emulated City of Chicago is also more densely populated with various A.I routines, very diverse animation sets and unique building structures.. You can also enter many of the buildings in Watch Dogs as well... For all it's flaws, Watch Dogs gets plenty of things right and introduces some interesting mechanics, some of which have never been seen before like the camera hacking..

Even GTA V on last gen would not be able to compete with Watch Dogs technically..



Witcher 3 will be more technically advanced than Watch dogs, that's a certainty. Better designed though? That's a huge assumption. I have great faith in CDPR, but Ubisoft has way more experience making games. Watch Dogs was well designed. The only thing was that releasing on last gen hardware definitely held it back, and the PC version's resource management was not properly optimized for PC architecture..

There's nothing that can be done about the former, but the latter, Ubisoft is definitely addressing the performance issues for the PC..

Look you can say what ever you want, but half the things you mentioned are in GTA 4 at a much higher quality. You can see it in the video as clear as night, and day. The shadows, physics, streaming, and stability are all grossly superior in GTA 4. The other things you mentioned are irrelevant as those technologies didn't even exist back when GTA 4 first came out we are comparing what they can both do at the same time. Now if you want to compare it to GTA 5 on PS3 to the PC version of Watch Dogs than you will see just how embarrassing it is for Ubisoft with a contemporary equivalent. Even with last generation tech GTA 5 still smokes Watch Dogs in everything except resolution.

[video=youtube;SYYMEpT-wJo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYYMEpT-wJo[/video]


Also you are seriously doubting that CD project red are vastly superior game makers? The guys that have a reputation for technical excellence in all their products versus the dumb asses who botched their last three major releases on all platforms, and mangled the PC ports as well. The same jokers that make games that have shit like this happening in them.

[video=youtube;kf-5rfte_fs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf-5rfte_fs[/video]

 

[A.Gates]

Microsoft bought the CD Projekt RED will tak as i bought Nokia

 

[prince_of_nothing]

Look you can say what ever you want, but half the things you mentioned are in GTA 4 at a much higher quality. You can see it in the video as clear as night, and day. The shadows, physics, streaming, and stability are all grossly superior in GTA 4.

Those are all isolated examples, and some of them were due to bugs. That comparison video was done right at the time of Watch Dogs launch, so some of those issues have been patched out. Also, Watch Dogs doesn't focus on driving the way that GTA does so some of it is also due to developer decisions..

Like I said, there are numerous flaws and faults with Watch Dogs, but don't for one second think that those flaws diminish the overall technical quality of the game. Watch Dogs does have lots of technical qualities not found in the GTA series.

Game development often requires compromises because of hardware and software limitations. If Watch Dogs had not released on last gen hardware, then they could have pushed the engine more.. I suspect Watch Dogs 2, which will be next gen only will rectify all of the issues found in Watch Dogs..

The other things you mentioned are irrelevant as those technologies didn't even exist back when GTA 4 first came out we are comparing what they can both do at the same time. Now if you want to compare it to GTA 5 on PS3 to the PC version of Watch Dogs than you will see just how embarrassing it is for Ubisoft with a contemporary equivalent. Even with last generation tech GTA 5 still smokes Watch Dogs in everything except resolution.

I don't think you even watched your video, which is somewhat biased.. You seem to think that Watch Dogs is a GTA clone, but it isn't. Watch Dogs is much more story driven than GTA, and the focus is completely different. Watch Dogs also has game mechanics that GTA doesn't have, like hacking and spying..

Also you are seriously doubting that CD project red are vastly superior game makers? The guys that have a reputation for technical excellence in all their products versus the dumb asses who botched their last three major releases on all platforms, and mangled the PC ports as well. The same jokers that make games that have shit like this happening in them.

CDPR are exceptional developers and I said that I had faith in them. But you're downplaying Ubisoft way too much for me to take your comments seriously. Ubisoft is the second biggest game developer in the World, and they didn't get to that position via incompetence.

Take AC Unity for instance. This game is technically AMAZING. Never before has a City been rendered in real time in such detail and intricacy. The crowd generation is also unparalleled, with support for THOUSANDS of NPCs. The landmarks of Paris like the Notre Dame Cathedral have also been created with 1:1 scaling..

I'll let this video do the rest of the talking:

[video=youtube;nF9bO-tPxKE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF9bO-tPxKE&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dn F9bO-tPxKE&has_verified=1[/video]

 

[crimzonwarrior]

Those are all isolated examples, and some of them were due to bugs. That comparison video was done right at the time of Watch Dogs launch, so some of those issues have been patched out. Also, Watch Dogs doesn't focus on driving the way that GTA does so some of it is also due to developer decisions..

Like I said, there are numerous flaws and faults with Watch Dogs, but don't for one second think that those flaws diminish the overall technical quality of the game. Watch Dogs does have lots of technical qualities not found in the GTA series.

Game development often requires compromises because of hardware and software limitations. If Watch Dogs had not released on last gen hardware, then they could have pushed the engine more.. I suspect Watch Dogs 2, which will be next gen only will rectify all of the issues found in Watch Dogs..



I don't think you even watched your video, which is somewhat biased.. You seem to think that Watch Dogs is a GTA clone, but it isn't. Watch Dogs is much more story driven than GTA, and the focus is completely different. Watch Dogs also has game mechanics that GTA doesn't have, like hacking and spying..



CDPR are exceptional developers and I said that I had faith in them. But you're downplaying Ubisoft way too much for me to take your comments seriously. Ubisoft is the second biggest game developer in the World, and they didn't get to that position via incompetence.

Take AC Unity for instance. This game is technically AMAZING. Never before has a City been rendered in real time in such detail and intricacy. The crowd generation is also unparalleled, with support for THOUSANDS of NPCs. The landmarks of Paris like the Notre Dame Cathedral have also been created with 1:1 scaling..

I'll let this video do the rest of the talking:

[video=youtube;nF9bO-tPxKE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF9bO-tPxKE&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dn F9bO-tPxKE&has_verified=1[/video]

I consider watch dogs to be a clone of a game I already consider derivative, and uninteresting. So the technical issues, and poor design are the just the tip of the iceberg of my malcontent for that game. Also I hate to break this to you, but the odds of that being actual gameplay of AC Unity is almost non existent. Ubifsoft used a false demo to up play the technical quality of Watch Dogs less than a year ago, and people aren't immediately suspicious of the AC Unity footage?

 

[dragonbird]

Is this thread going to be about TW3 at all, or should I move it into the "Other video games" subforum?

 

[Lyvean]

It's sad to see people praising games like AC, a series which has stagnated like no other and possesses archaic game mechanics, just because they can offer good graphics. The world of AC is a dead place, with minimum AI, where interaction is meaningless. It's just windows dressing. Sure, Ubisoft has a lot more experience than CD and they are indeed better game developers. But not because of games like the AC series, minus the second one, but because of Prince of Persia, Beyond Good and Evil, Splinter Cell and Far Cry, to name a few.

But they don't really have what CD has: Integrity and talent. If CD had Ubisoft money and their marketing talent, witcher 3 would be a revolution in almost anything.

 

[eskiMoe]

If CD had Ubisoft money and their marketing talent, witcher 3 would be a revolution in almost anything.

I don't really think they need Ubi's money to achieve that.