Yen Or Triss?

[saltyB]

Can someone explain why there is a seperation of "book-canon" and "game-canon". I understand there is lore and decisions pertaining to the Witcher written by Sapkowski (e.g. LOTR by Tolkien is considered canon in regards to any "Middle-Earth" game). CDPR did a good job with a "what-if" scenario. Regarding the romance choice, I just can't see how Geralt would go to Kovir and be with Triss who is involved in politics.Geralt's dream was always to retire and live a quiet life.

You already answered your Question!

"I just can't see how Geralt..."

Exactly!!! YOU can't see!

Same with Sapkowski, same with CDPR!

Sapkowski can't see that the games are canon and a continuation to his books!

CDPR can't see that the "Witcher" series already ends with The Lady of the Lake so they continued it for themselves!

Everyone has his own point of view and his own opinion! And well in the end Sapkowski is the Creator/Author, so he has the right to say:" No, the game's aren't canon to my books"! And that's it! No need to discuss this further!



This discussion is off-topic and useless in the End...

 

[Boromir2015]

And it's just because of the game mechanics I guess. I mean how boring would be a game in which the player can't make any own decision?! ??? He has to play only one stringent path without any small junctions... I could play this games only with a lot of or :coffee:

:evil:

 

[Whitey98]

except for one time with Istredd a man who was her lover for a long time

Don't know how many times i've said this, YENNEFER NEVER LOVED ISTREDD. lmao.

Canon is what really matters

Exactly, and since Geralt/Yen is the canon LI im happy with that They even play a damn balled in Novigrad about Geralt/Yen.

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Everyone has his own point of view and his own opinion! And well in the end Sapkowski is the Creator/Author, so he has the right to say:" No, the game's aren't canon to my books"! And that's it! No need to discuss this further!

He doesn't even know the story of the damn games. Although he did say his friends told him the story is pretty good.

 

[saltyB]

And it's just because of the game mechanics I guess. I mean how boring would be a game in which the player can't make any own decision?! ??? He has to play only one stringent path without any small junctions... I could play this games only with a lot of or :coffee:

:evil:

Exactly!

That's what games are made for...

 

[figulus01]

Can someone explain why there is a seperation of "book-canon" and "game-canon". I understand there is lore and decisions pertaining to the Witcher written by Sapkowski (e.g. LOTR by Tolkien is considered canon in regards to any "Middle-Earth" game). CDPR did a good job with a "what-if" scenario. Regarding the romance choice, I just can't see how Geralt would go to Kovir and be with Triss who is involved in politics.Geralt's dream was always to retire and live a quiet life.

Go with Game canon when playing game..book canon when reading books.The characters in the books are a lot more sinister imo..both Triss and Yen do some dispicable things in the books that their game counterparts just wouldn't..

 

[Whitey98]

And it's just because of the game mechanics I guess. I mean how boring would be a game in which the player can't make any own decision?! ??? He has to play only one stringent path without any small junctions... I could play this games only with a lot of or :coffee:

:evil:

Well EXACTLY! That is why CDPR made it so you CAN get with Triss if you so desire, because it is afterall an RPG game. We all know (except SV -_-) that Yennefer is the canon love interest, but to make the game an RPG they have an alternative LI called Triss. Nothing wrong with that, all games with romance abilities do this but to say Triss is the right woman for Geralt over Yennefer, really untrue.

 

[Boromir2015]

Don't know how many times i've said this, YENNEFER NEVER LOVED ISTREDD. lmao.



Exactly, and since Geralt/Yen is the canon LI im happy with that They even play a damn balled in Novigrad about Geralt/Yen.

But don't forget that every canon is just an accumulation of fortuities... I say only "Butterfly-effect"...

BTW: That's my 1000th post if I'm right!!! :sorcerer:

 

[Whitey98]

Yen do some dispicable things in the books

Like what? She never betrayed Geralt/Ciri/Yennefer like Triss did.

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BTW: That's my 1000th post if I'm right!!!

Congratulations :cheers3:

 

[saltyB]

But don't forget that every canon is just an accumulation of fortuities... I say only "Butterfly-effect"...

BTW: That's my 1000th post if I'm right!!! :sorcerer:

Congrats! ;D

 

[Gilthoniel]

BTW: That's my 1000th post if I'm right!!!

Congrats Boromir (my fav LOTR character btw.)

Spoiler

 

[Boromir2015]

@ all: Oh :crybaby: Thank you! :crybaby: :crybaby: Thank you so much! :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: .........

 

[saltyB]

Congrats Boromir (my fav LOTR character btw.)

Yeah Boromir was really great, at first he was kinda influenced by the Ring, but in the end he knew that Frodo was the one and only to destroy it, and he gave his life for them in an Epic fight!

He will never be forgotten!

 

[figulus01]

Like what? She never betrayed Geralt/Ciri/Yennefer like Triss did.

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Congratulations :cheers3:

Istredd?? Sleeping with Geralt at night and Istredd in the mornings...the slapper!

 

[Whitey98]

Istredd?? Sleeping with Geralt at night and Istredd in the mornings...the slapper!

Ohh god! I've explained this so many damn times. Yennefer didn't know if she even loved Geralt or not at this point. This is when all Geralt had proven in his previous relationship with Yen is that he is an unreliable idiot. A complete buffoon. The fact that Yennefer realises that actually Geralt is the man for her and that she loves him during Aedd Gynvael is completely amazing. She was going through a crisis of relationship and she had to choose, this is before the great ballads and the well known love story existed between Geralt and Yen, this is when Yen didn't even know she could love let alone love Geralt. She realises that she does love Geralt and that she wants to be with him. It's a complete character development!

Imagine it in real life. Imagine your wife was unsure if she loved you or not 20 years ago. You as the man had been a AWFUL boyfriend in the past and now you come back asking for her after a break up and she sleeps with another man during this time because she is lost in what to do. But she decides that actually she does love the idiot! Would you bring this up 20 years later as an argument for your relationship NOW? "Ohh remember 20 yearss ago when..." like wtf? It makes no sense, Yennefer loves Geralt immensely NOW and for the past 15 or so years once she realised during that time that Geralt is the man for her.

 

[StandardEpiphany]

Istredd?? Sleeping with Geralt at night and Istredd in the mornings...the slapper!

Good luck bringing that one up. The name Istredd should came with a trigger warning for its devastating effects on everyone's morale.

 

[Whitey98]

Good luck bringing that one up. The name Istredd should came with a trigger warning for its devastating effects on everyone's morale.

Well the fucking prick killed himself. And if he didn't kill himself he is digging a fucking hole in a damn cave listening to a ballad from the local Inn about Geralt and Yennefer, crying in his cave wishing "but Yen should of been mine... "

 

[Lytha]

And then one (perhaps) stupid question: If some of you see the games as part of the lore too, how do you solve the lore-problems of TW1?! In my opinion it is difficult to recognize a real canon in the games...

I'm not getting any major headaches merging book lore with ingame events, or the events of all 3 games with each other.

- The only major issue that springs to mind is the question why Zoltan and Dandelion seemed to follow a "We must not mention Ciri or Yen to the amnesiac"-codex, but... eh.
- Triss' personality changes I can absolutely merge with how I generally perceive her. TW1's Triss is "look at our cute little Triss, all grown up into a bitchy whore with political interests." Then she had a personality regression back to "whiny cute girl who's magical abilities climax in a cloud of butterflies, with a crush on Geralt. So kawaii. ^.^ " in TW2, and TW3 is back on course to her path to TW1 personality status, which she'll probably hit again after a few years as court bitch sorceress in Kovir. Fire magic. It's good for your personality.
- Geralt landing in Triss' tent at the start of TW2 after giving Shani the kid and the ring was awkward, but the game explained that away by itself. ("Geralt and Shani agreed that they should part, and then there was the always desperate Triss who gladly took another chance.")
- Book Emhyr the "incest is great!" vs TW3 Emhyr the "concerned father" is kinda weird, but I take it as a "he's probably feeding bullshit to Geralt about his motives" in TW3.
- Roche the "old pal" vs "uh, I kinda went with Iorveth" fits: On Iorveth path, Roche helps one more time in act 2. They did not part as deadly foes.
- dead TW1 Thaler vs. alive and kicking TW3 Thaler would be an issue, but I guess the game canon is that Geralt helped the downtrodden.

It all can kinda fit together.

You have to ignore the blanks or fill them with your headcanon. ("So, neither Triss nor Shani actually cared enough about the Alvin kid to ever mention it again? Uhm."; or Anais, or Adda, ...)

I don't know. Maybe TW1 would do a major clash with TW2/TW3 if someone followed the Flaming Rose pricks, but since I never could stomach such a playthrough, that is no concern of mine anyway. Both Scoia'tael and Neutral fit the start of TW2. And the end of TW2 wiped all the previous carefully chosen political decisions off the table anyway.

 

[figulus01]

Ohh god! I've explained this so many damn times. Yennefer didn't know if she even loved Geralt or not at this point. This is when all Geralt had proven in his previous relationship with Yen is that he is an unreliable idiot. A complete buffoon. The fact that Yennefer realises that actually Geralt is the man for her and that she loves him during Aedd Gynvael is completely amazing. She was going through a crisis of relationship and she had to choose, this is before the great ballads and the well known love story existed between Geralt and Yen, this is when Yen didn't even know she could love let alone love Geralt. She realises that she does love Geralt and that she wants to be with him. It's a complete character development!

Imagine it in real life. Imagine your wife was unsure if she loved you or not 20 years ago. You as the man had been a AWFUL boyfriend in the past and now you come back asking for her after a break up and she sleeps with another man during this time because she is lost in what to do. But she decides that actually she does love the idiot! Would you bring this up 20 years later as an argument for your relationship NOW? "Ohh remember 20 yearss ago when..." like wtf? It makes no sense, Yennefer loves Geralt immensely NOW and for the past 15 or so years once she realised during that time that Geralt is the man for her.

Hey i'm a Yen fan ma man.Fact is she was living with Geralt at that time and brought him to a town where she had a relationship with another dude..it was planned duplicity...is it unforgivable? probably not..is it dispicable?.. I would say it is..

 

[ooodrin]

Good luck bringing that one up. The name Istredd should came with a trigger warning for its devastating effects on everyone's morale.

We need more Istredd in this thread!

 

[figulus01]

I'm not getting any major headaches merging book lore with ingame events, or the events of all 3 games with each other.

- The only major issue that springs to mind is the question why Zoltan and Dandelion seemed to follow a "We must not mention Ciri or Yen to the amnesiac"-codex, but... eh.
- Triss' personality changes I can absolutely merge with how I generally perceive her. TW1's Triss is "look at our cute little Triss, all grown up into a bitchy whore with political interests." Then she had a personality regression back to "whiny cute girl who's magical abilities climax in a cloud of butterflies, with a crush on Geralt. So kawaii. ^.^ " in TW2, and TW3 is back on course to her path to TW1 personality status, which she'll probably hit again after a few years as court bitch sorceress in Kovir. Fire magic. It's good for your personality.
- Geralt landing in Triss' tent at the start of TW2 after giving Shani the kid and the ring was awkward, but the game explained that away by itself. ("Geralt and Shani agreed that they should part, and then there was the always desperate Triss who gladly took another chance.")
- Emhyr the "incest is great!" vs Emhyr the "concerned father" is kinda weird, but I take it as a "he's probably feeding bullshit to Geralt about his motives" in TW3.
- Roche the "old pal" vs "uh, I kinda went with Iorveth" fits: On Iorveth path, Roche helps one more time in act 2.
- dead TW1 Thaler vs. alive and kicking TW3 Thaler would be an issue, but I guess the game canon is that Geralt helped the downtrodden.

It all can kinda fit together.

You have to ignore the blanks or fill them with your headcanon. ("So, neither Triss nor Shani actually cared enough about the Alvin kid to ever mention it again? Uhm."; or Anais, or Adda, ...)

I don't know. Maybe TW1 would do a major clash with TW2/TW3 if someone followed the Flaming Rose pricks, but since I never could stomach such a playthrough, that is no concern of mine anyway. Both Scoia'tael and Neutral fit the start of TW2.

I wondered about Alvin too...the other thing I would say is that Yen should've been introduced into the games ealier as she's accepted (mostly) as Geralt's life love in both canons.

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We need more Istredd in this thread!

Not to mention Crach an Craite....I mean a semi-literate awe-swinger...come on Yennifer!