He might be right, in "Something More" Yennefer says this:
"We were made for each other," she murmured. "Perhaps even destined for each other.
But none of this can happen. It's a shame. We will have to separate when the day breaks.
It can't be otherwise. We have to separate so as not to hurt each other: destined for each
other, made for each other, but the one who created us should have thought of something
more. Forgive me. I had to tell you."
Whether that's true or she just believes this is up to the reader
Yen: "Geralt, honey, I'm not gonna hurt you. I'm just gonna bash your brains in. I'm gonna bash 'em right the f*uck in"
:geraltsad::geraltsad:
I have no idea how I did this shit, but it was very appropriate :lol:
Hehe....
"Geralt, here your new text...."
:facepalm2:"What the fuck is this ? "
"Your new text ! Say it ! "
:yawn:"No, i dont want ! You cant force me !
"Do it, or something bad will happen to the people you love...Maybe in the next DLC.... :evil: "
:geraltsad:"fine... :"
We're straying away from legitimate discussion and into the realm of just random pictures and quote nonsense. Let's try to keep things on-track folks.
@Wasaabii28 I read your entire post, and I absolutely appreciate the effort put into it. I agree with some points utterly and completely, while others I'm very tentative about. I would go more in-depth, but honestly I'm utterly exhausted in regards to that topic and don't really feel like pushing it (I actually have a lot to say on the matter, but I just really can't be bothered, and others seem to have continued the discussion anyway).
Cheers!
@Wasaabii28 I read your entire post, and I absolutely appreciate the effort put into it. I agree with some points utterly and completely, while others I'm very tentative about. I would go more in-depth, but honestly I'm utterly exhausted in regards to that topic and don't really feel like pushing it (I actually have a lot to say on the matter, but I just really can't be bothered, and others seem to have continued the discussion anyway).
Cheers!
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I hope they'll delete Blinky's line about Yennefer's "plans". Who am I kidding? It'll never happen
Fixed. I'm soo meanI hope they'll delete Blinky
No, but really - they should . In a current state of game it doesn't make any sense. This + Yen's "you should trust Emhyr" crap
@xxgwxx
@Sephira
@ooodrin
This is an interesting topic. It all begins in "The Bounds of Reason". That was the first story, already heavy on destiny.
Afterwards all the Ciri chapter(s) and "Something More". We can just look at the title of the book - The Sword of Destiny.
"Excuse my boldness and my frankness, Yennefer.
It's written on your faces, I don't even need to read your thoughts.
You were made for each other, you and the witcher. But nothing will come of it. Nothing. I'm sorry."
"I know." Yennefer turned a little pale. "I know, Villentretenmerth. But I too would like to believe
that there is no limit as to what's possible or at least that this limit is very distant."
Sapkowski is a destiny maniac, however it was never explicitly confirmed, nor denied.
'We were made for each other,' she murmured.
'Perhaps even destined for each other. But none of this can happen.
It's a shame. We will have to separate when the day breaks. It can't be otherwise.
We have to separate so as not to hurt each other. Destined for each other, made for each other,
but the one who created us should have thought of something more. Forgive me. I had to tell you.'
We could speculate a lot of course. Which is what makes Andrzej Sapkowski such an outstanding author. Just like Ciri was destined for Geralt - which was however deeply explored and explained - Yennefer and Geralt could be destined for each other as well and we could phrase it as "made" for each other and that was mentioned multiple times in the books. So yeah, perhaps there really was some "higher" bound. They were destined to what... meet each other? So that Geralt could fulfill his destiny and find Ciri, which would (did) eventually lead to Yennefer fulfilling her purpose - very much like Villentretenmerth himself? Were Ciri and Yen "destined" too? Belleteyn? Through Geralt? Are all three of them destined
for each other? Yeah, Sapkowski's books are filled with that shit and trust me, the more you think about it, the crazier it (you) becomes. It drives me insane sometimes (all the time). "Fighting" with the golden dragon symbolizes the fight with destiny itself in the witcher universe. And so does her whole relationship with Geralt. Yennefer knows she's condemned
to death and cannot fulfill her purpose as a woman, such is her burden and the price she had to pay (willingly or not) for becoming a sorceress. But she refuses to reconcile with such a fate, she doesn't accept that she's doomed and cannot procreate, she tries to fight the limits of possiblity - within or beyond the bounds of reason. Should it be the Djinn fiasco
in Rinde, or the delusional "kill the dragon for me please Geralt". That's where the "fight with destiny" analogy comes in.
"And the goal at the end of the path?"
"Here it is." Villentretenmerth raised his forearm, frightened, the young dragon started to chirp.
"Here is my goal, my purpose. Thanks to him, I shall prove, Geralt of Rivia, that there is
no limit as to what's possible. You too, one day, will discover such a purpose, witcher.
Even those who are different deserve to live. Goodbye, Geralt. Goodbye, Yennefer."
It was similar for Geralt too. Not entirely, or well - to make my thoughts clear - it wasn't the driving factor of his character. But it was there, and it grew stronger with time... Geralt knew that he was doomed to be a witcher and a killer for the rest
of his days. He kept moving, but deep inside he hated his "fate". I noticed this in the very beginning, when I was reading some chapters from The Last Wish short story collection for the first time... It made his character very interesting for me, he was leading that typical fight with himself and was trying to find the purpose. This part from "Something More" nails it:
'Belleteyn!' she cried suddenly. Geralt felt the shoulders pressed against his chest rise and fall.
'They have fun. They celebrate the eternal cycle of nature. And us? What do we do?
We, the relics, those condemned to death, to extermination and oblivion.
Nature is reborn, the cycle repeats itself. But not us, Geralt. We can't perpetuate ourselves.
We are denied that possibility. We have inherited the gift to do extraordinary things with nature,
sometimes against it, but we have been deprived of what is most simple and natural in return.
What does it matter that we live longer than humans? There is no spring after the winter.
We are not reborn, our end carries us with it. But something draws us to the fires,
even though our presence is a cruel joke, a sacrilege against this festival.'
She fell silent. He didn't like to see her fall into such darkness.
He knew the reason too well. It's starting to gnaw at her again, he thought.
There had been a time when it seemed that she had forgotten or accepted her fate.
He moved his shoulders, rocking her like a child. She didn't resist.
Geralt wasn't surprised. He knew that she needed it.
So yeah, just some food for thought. I better stop before I get too deep, I already wrote a bit too much. It was mentioned in the books several times and it still remains an unanswered question. I mean there is a whole book dedicated to it, and even that isn't enough. Imagine all the passages we could dig up and discuss. I believe destiny might have played a part.
But then again...
@Sephira
@ooodrin
This is an interesting topic. It all begins in "The Bounds of Reason". That was the first story, already heavy on destiny.
Afterwards all the Ciri chapter(s) and "Something More". We can just look at the title of the book - The Sword of Destiny.
"Excuse my boldness and my frankness, Yennefer.
It's written on your faces, I don't even need to read your thoughts.
You were made for each other, you and the witcher. But nothing will come of it. Nothing. I'm sorry."
"I know." Yennefer turned a little pale. "I know, Villentretenmerth. But I too would like to believe
that there is no limit as to what's possible or at least that this limit is very distant."
Sapkowski is a destiny maniac, however it was never explicitly confirmed, nor denied.
'We were made for each other,' she murmured.
'Perhaps even destined for each other. But none of this can happen.
It's a shame. We will have to separate when the day breaks. It can't be otherwise.
We have to separate so as not to hurt each other. Destined for each other, made for each other,
but the one who created us should have thought of something more. Forgive me. I had to tell you.'
We could speculate a lot of course. Which is what makes Andrzej Sapkowski such an outstanding author. Just like Ciri was destined for Geralt - which was however deeply explored and explained - Yennefer and Geralt could be destined for each other as well and we could phrase it as "made" for each other and that was mentioned multiple times in the books. So yeah, perhaps there really was some "higher" bound. They were destined to what... meet each other? So that Geralt could fulfill his destiny and find Ciri, which would (did) eventually lead to Yennefer fulfilling her purpose - very much like Villentretenmerth himself? Were Ciri and Yen "destined" too? Belleteyn? Through Geralt? Are all three of them destined
for each other? Yeah, Sapkowski's books are filled with that shit and trust me, the more you think about it, the crazier it (you) becomes. It drives me insane sometimes (all the time). "Fighting" with the golden dragon symbolizes the fight with destiny itself in the witcher universe. And so does her whole relationship with Geralt. Yennefer knows she's condemned
to death and cannot fulfill her purpose as a woman, such is her burden and the price she had to pay (willingly or not) for becoming a sorceress. But she refuses to reconcile with such a fate, she doesn't accept that she's doomed and cannot procreate, she tries to fight the limits of possiblity - within or beyond the bounds of reason. Should it be the Djinn fiasco
in Rinde, or the delusional "kill the dragon for me please Geralt". That's where the "fight with destiny" analogy comes in.
"And the goal at the end of the path?"
"Here it is." Villentretenmerth raised his forearm, frightened, the young dragon started to chirp.
"Here is my goal, my purpose. Thanks to him, I shall prove, Geralt of Rivia, that there is
no limit as to what's possible. You too, one day, will discover such a purpose, witcher.
Even those who are different deserve to live. Goodbye, Geralt. Goodbye, Yennefer."
It was similar for Geralt too. Not entirely, or well - to make my thoughts clear - it wasn't the driving factor of his character. But it was there, and it grew stronger with time... Geralt knew that he was doomed to be a witcher and a killer for the rest
of his days. He kept moving, but deep inside he hated his "fate". I noticed this in the very beginning, when I was reading some chapters from The Last Wish short story collection for the first time... It made his character very interesting for me, he was leading that typical fight with himself and was trying to find the purpose. This part from "Something More" nails it:
'Belleteyn!' she cried suddenly. Geralt felt the shoulders pressed against his chest rise and fall.
'They have fun. They celebrate the eternal cycle of nature. And us? What do we do?
We, the relics, those condemned to death, to extermination and oblivion.
Nature is reborn, the cycle repeats itself. But not us, Geralt. We can't perpetuate ourselves.
We are denied that possibility. We have inherited the gift to do extraordinary things with nature,
sometimes against it, but we have been deprived of what is most simple and natural in return.
What does it matter that we live longer than humans? There is no spring after the winter.
We are not reborn, our end carries us with it. But something draws us to the fires,
even though our presence is a cruel joke, a sacrilege against this festival.'
She fell silent. He didn't like to see her fall into such darkness.
He knew the reason too well. It's starting to gnaw at her again, he thought.
There had been a time when it seemed that she had forgotten or accepted her fate.
He moved his shoulders, rocking her like a child. She didn't resist.
Geralt wasn't surprised. He knew that she needed it.
So yeah, just some food for thought. I better stop before I get too deep, I already wrote a bit too much. It was mentioned in the books several times and it still remains an unanswered question. I mean there is a whole book dedicated to it, and even that isn't enough. Imagine all the passages we could dig up and discuss. I believe destiny might have played a part.
But then again...
The fact that ignoring the quest entirely has the same effect as the "magic's gone" choice also suggests that those lines by Geralt should not be interpreted literally, they are only metaphorical. It would not make sense otherwise.
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Of course he does after hearing lines like these:
Geralt choice: That was some view.
Geralt: Mhm. The view from there - spectacular.
Yennefer: Perhaps I should've teleported you two miles higher? Breathtaking, that view! To die for, really.
Heights and falling damage ? :what: Now that is something he is really afraid of.
This, so much this, even Geralt said before he had no goal in this path. Always thought this part was so important for the whole saga yet it almost remained unrecognized.@xxgwxx
@Sephira
@ooodrin
This is an interesting topic. It all begins in "The Bounds of Reason". That was the first story, already heavy on destiny.
Afterwards all the Ciri chapter(s) and "Something More". We can just look at the title of the book - The Sword of Destiny.
"Excuse my boldness and my frankness, Yennefer.
It's written on your faces, I don't even need to read your thoughts.
You were made for each other, you and the witcher. But nothing will come of it. Nothing. I'm sorry."
"I know." Yennefer turned a little pale. "I know, Villentretenmerth. But I too would like to believe
that there is no limit as to what's possible or at least that this limit is very distant."
Sapkowski is a destiny maniac, however it was never explicitly confirmed, nor denied.
'We were made for each other,' she murmured.
'Perhaps even destined for each other. But none of this can happen.
It's a shame. We will have to separate when the day breaks. It can't be otherwise.
We have to separate so as not to hurt each other. Destined for each other, made for each other,
but the one who created us should have thought of something more. Forgive me. I had to tell you.'
We could speculate a lot of course. Which is what makes Andrzej Sapkowski such an outstanding author. Just like Ciri was destined for Geralt - which was however deeply explored and explained - Yennefer and Geralt could be destined for each other as well and we could phrase it as "made" for each other and that was mentioned multiple times in the books. So yeah, perhaps there really was some "higher" bound. They were destined to what... meet each other? So that Geralt could fulfill his destiny and find Ciri, which would (did) eventually lead to Yennefer fulfilling her purpose - very much like Villentretenmerth himself? Were Ciri and Yen "destined" too? Belleteyn? Through Geralt? Are all three of them destined
for each other? Yeah, Sapkowski's books are filled with that shit and trust me, the more you think about it, the crazier it (you) becomes. It drives me insane sometimes (all the time). "Fighting" with the golden dragon symbolizes the fight with destiny itself in the witcher universe. And so does her whole relationship with Geralt. Yennefer knows she's condemned
to death and cannot fulfill her purpose as a woman, such is her burden and the price she had to pay (willingly or not) for becoming a sorceress. But she refuses to reconcile with such a fate, she doesn't accept that she's doomed and cannot procreate, she tries to fight the limits of possiblity - within or beyond the bounds of reason. Should it be the Djinn fiasco
in Rinde, or the delusional "kill the dragon for me please Geralt". That's where the "fight with destiny" analogy comes in.
"And the goal at the end of the path?"
"Here it is." Villentretenmerth raised his forearm, frightened, the young dragon started to chirp.
"Here is my goal, my purpose. Thanks to him, I shall prove, Geralt of Rivia, that there is
no limit as to what's possible. You too, one day, will discover such a purpose, witcher.
Even those who are different deserve to live. Goodbye, Geralt. Goodbye, Yennefer."
It was similar for Geralt too. Not entirely, or well - to make my thoughts clear - it wasn't the driving factor of his character. But it was there, and it grew stronger with time... Geralt knew that he was doomed to be a witcher and a killer for the rest
of his days. He kept moving, but deep inside he hated his "fate". I noticed this in the very beginning, when I was reading some chapters from The Last Wish short story collection for the first time... It made his character very interesting for me, he was leading that typical fight with himself and was trying to find the purpose. This part from "Something More" nails it:
'Belleteyn!' she cried suddenly. Geralt felt the shoulders pressed against his chest rise and fall.
'They have fun. They celebrate the eternal cycle of nature. And us? What do we do?
We, the relics, those condemned to death, to extermination and oblivion.
Nature is reborn, the cycle repeats itself. But not us, Geralt. We can't perpetuate ourselves.
We are denied that possibility. We have inherited the gift to do extraordinary things with nature,
sometimes against it, but we have been deprived of what is most simple and natural in return.
What does it matter that we live longer than humans? There is no spring after the winter.
We are not reborn, our end carries us with it. But something draws us to the fires,
even though our presence is a cruel joke, a sacrilege against this festival.'
She fell silent. He didn't like to see her fall into such darkness.
He knew the reason too well. It's starting to gnaw at her again, he thought.
There had been a time when it seemed that she had forgotten or accepted her fate.
He moved his shoulders, rocking her like a child. She didn't resist.
Geralt wasn't surprised. He knew that she needed it.
So yeah, just some food for thought. I better stop before I get too deep, I already wrote a bit too much. It was mentioned in the books several times and it still remains an unanswered question. I mean there is a whole book dedicated to it, and even that isn't enough. Imagine all the passages we could dig up and discuss. I believe destiny might have played a part.
But then again...
So much references.
So much.
I don't even express these thoughts voluntarily, because I have the feel to become annoying at this point (If I weren't already). I'll just only add some bits... Something more...
‘Witcher,’ Three Jackdaws suddenly said, ‘I want to ask you a question.’
‘Ask it.’
‘Why don’t you turn back?’
The Witcher looked at him in silence for a moment. ‘Do you really want to know?’
‘Yes, I do,’ Three Jackdaws said, turning his face towards Geralt.
‘I’m riding with them because I’m a servile golem. Because I’m a wisp of oakum blown by the wind along the highway. Tell me, where should I go? And for what? At least here some people have gathered with whom I have something to talk about. People who don’t break off their conversations when I approach. People who, though they may not like me, say it to my face, and don’t throw stones from behind a fence. I’m riding with them for the same reason I rode with you to the log drivers’ inn. Because it’s all the same to me. I don’t have a goal to head towards. I don’t have a destination at the end of the road.’
Three Jackdaws cleared his throat. ‘There’s a destination at the end of every road. Everybody has one. Even you, although you like to think you’re somehow different.’
‘Now I’ll ask you a question.’
‘Ask it.’
‘Do you have a destination at the end of the road?’
‘I do.’
‘Lucky for you.’
‘It is not a matter of luck, Geralt. It is a matter of what you believe in and what you serve. No one ought to know that better than… than a witcher.’
‘I keep hearing about goals today,’ Geralt sighed. ‘Niedamir’s aim is to seize Malleore. Eyck of Denesle’s calling is to protect people from dragons. Dorregaray feels obligated to something quite the opposite. Yennefer, by virtue of certain changes which her body was subjected to, cannot fulfil her wishes and is terribly undecided. Dammit, only the Reavers and the dwarves don’t feel a calling, and simply want to line their pockets. Perhaps that’s why I’m so drawn to them?’
‘You aren’t drawn to them, Geralt of Rivia. I’m neither blind nor deaf. It wasn’t at the sound of their name you pulled out that pouch. But I surmise…’
‘There’s no need to surmise,’ the Witcher said, without anger.
‘I apologise.’
‘There’s no need to apologise.’
[SUB](Sword of Destiny)[/SUB]
Being alone, with his "destiny", no goal, just wandering, find new job and then go on, maybe having friends and his witchers companions... but it misses something more, something that would prove him to be not alone in this path, to not being "only" a freak.
Yennefer realized this too, you can clearly understand both in Belleteyn, and then after being blinded in Sodden Battle. She was alone, he was alone.
Do as I ask. I wouldn't like anything bad to happen to you. I like you too much, owe you too much—'
'You've said that already. What do you owe me, Yennefer?'
The sorceress turned her head away, did not say anything for a while.
'You travelled with him,' she said finally. 'Thanks to you he was not alone. You were a friend to him. You were with him.'
The bard lowered his eyes.
'He didn't get much from it,' he muttered. 'He didn't get much from our friendship. He had little but trouble because of me. He constantly had to get me out of some scrape... help me...'
She leaned across the table, put her hand on his and squeezed it hard without saying anything. Her eyes held regret.
[SUB](Blood of Elves)[/SUB]
No goal at the end of the road, that's what makes them afraid. Being alone, alone with his/her own destiny.
Geralt being afraid that Ciri could become like him, while being alone.
‘Are we leaving?’
‘You’re leaving,’ said the Witcher, throwing the poet Pegasus’s reins. ‘Farewell, Dandelion. The dryads will escort you a couple of miles upstream so you won’t fall into the hands of the soldiers from Brugge, who are probably still hanging around on the far bank.’
‘What about you? Are you staying here?’
‘No. I’m not.’
‘You’ve learned something. From the Squirrels. You know something about Ciri, don’t you?’
‘Farewell, Dandelion.’
‘Geralt... Listen to me—’
‘Listen to what?’ shouted the Witcher, before his voice suddenly faltered. ‘I can’t leave— I can’t just leave her to her fate. She’s completely alone... She cannot be left alone, Dandelion. You’ll never understand that. No one will ever understand that, but I know. If she remains alone, the same thing will happen to her as once happened to me... You’ll never understand that...’
‘I do understand. Which is why I’m coming with you.’
‘You’re insane. Do you know where I’m headed?’
‘Yes, I do. Geralt, I— I haven’t told you everything. I’m... I feel guilty. I didn’t do anything; I didn’t know what to do. But now I know. I want to go with you. I want to be by your side.’
[SUB](Time of Contempt)[/SUB]
(please note Dandelion reaction here, according with the little chat he and Yennefer had back in the previous book) Anyway won't go further with the Hansa, because it's not Geralt's thread.
We are not talking about love here, but how much they were similar in this case. Geralt, seen that most of people surrounding him consider him an "emotions" freak, he reacts according to this belief. As he realized that he, seriously, had some emotion-defect phase... then, as Triss said, he was the one who suffocated his emotions at this point. Because he could be the most normal guy out there. Add that his character was built to be shy, introvert and so on...
Then, we come back to the character, Yennefer. We know what Yennfer's gripe was, but she reacted differently to that, more anger, stubborness and, when time needed it, manipulation and revenge. She passed the trial to get rid of her "freak" side, and what she had done. She so gained Tissaia teaching her how to contain emotions and don't show any weakness.
And so on... and so on...
Daamn. Did I really write all of this? Damn you @Wasaabii28 don't dare to touch this argument again.
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Actually, the Last Wish quest has nothing to do with Triss, she is not even mentioned there at all. It is a choice between Yennefer and no one. Even if the game had no romanceable character other than Yennefer, as long as CDPR did not want to make that forced for all players (something they never did before for an entire game, even in The Witcher 2 it is only in the prologue), there had to be a way for the player to reject Yennefer. And that means still adding the "magic's gone" bit anyway.