That is the point, there is no magic just true love, if you do the quest Geralt say ``magic is gone``, if you don`t do the quest you get the same outcome, but there is still Dijin spell, if their love was spell they would still be together cuz Dijinn spell is still there, but they break up if you don`t do the quest cuz there is no spell only love atleast from Yennefer part, Geralt part is up to the player and that part could be done better, like i said `` Magic is gone`` is just excuse Geralt use.
Not sure i really agree. Geralt's presentation pre wish breaking is certainly at odds with that stance.
Equally i'm not sure you can infer lack of spell impact by result of skipping the quest.
They've been shown in the past to have parted only for feelings and relationship to resurface at a later point. So fact they are broken up isn't proof of lack of effect.
All i`m saying is that their love never was cuz of spell, but because they loved each other, if you do Last Wish quest `` magic`` is not gone for Yennefer cuz there is no ``magic`` in first place, ``magic`` is just gone for Geralt if you chose that option as his excuse, i`m just thinking that their break up could be done better way.
All i'm saying is that that is not the only viable interpretation based on the info.
i think the pre-breakup and the breakup could be done in a better way ideally.
There was no break up option with Triss in TW2, so technically she was forced throughout the entire game.
Thank you, an amazing post once again. My view on destiny and predestination is that after Geralt uttered his last wish any magic was unnecessary anyway. We see that his wish deeply touched Yennefer - this Witcher wished to save her from death and bind his faith with her's and after she showed her worst side to him, he still found something good inside her to be with her":@xxgwxx
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This is an interesting topic. It all begins in "The Bounds of Reason". That was the first story, already heavy on destiny.
Afterwards all the Ciri chapter(s) and "Something More". We can just look at the title of the book - The Sword of Destiny.
"Excuse my boldness and my frankness, Yennefer.
It's written on your faces, I don't even need to read your thoughts.
You were made for each other, you and the witcher. But nothing will come of it. Nothing. I'm sorry."
"I know." Yennefer turned a little pale. "I know, Villentretenmerth. But I too would like to believe
that there is no limit as to what's possible or at least that this limit is very distant."
Sapkowski is a destiny maniac, however it was never explicitly confirmed, nor denied.
'We were made for each other,' she murmured.
'Perhaps even destined for each other. But none of this can happen.
It's a shame. We will have to separate when the day breaks. It can't be otherwise.
We have to separate so as not to hurt each other. Destined for each other, made for each other,
but the one who created us should have thought of something more. Forgive me. I had to tell you.'
We could speculate a lot of course. Which is what makes Andrzej Sapkowski such an outstanding author. Just like Ciri was destined for Geralt - which was however deeply explored and explained - Yennefer and Geralt could be destined for each other as well and we could phrase it as "made" for each other and that was mentioned multiple times in the books. So yeah, perhaps there really was some "higher" bound. They were destined to what... meet each other? So that Geralt could fulfill his destiny and find Ciri, which would (did) eventually lead to Yennefer fulfilling her purpose - very much like Villentretenmerth himself? Were Ciri and Yen "destined" too? Belleteyn? Through Geralt? Are all three of them destined
for each other? Yeah, Sapkowski's books are filled with that shit and trust me, the more you think about it, the crazier it (you) becomes. It drives me insane sometimes (all the time). "Fighting" with the golden dragon symbolizes the fight with destiny itself in the witcher universe. And so does her whole relationship with Geralt. Yennefer knows she's condemned
to death and cannot fulfill her purpose as a woman, such is her burden and the price she had to pay (willingly or not) for becoming a sorceress. But she refuses to reconcile with such a fate, she doesn't accept that she's doomed and cannot procreate, she tries to fight the limits of possiblity - within or beyond the bounds of reason. Should it be the Djinn fiasco
in Rinde, or the delusional "kill the dragon for me please Geralt". That's where the "fight with destiny" analogy comes in.
"And the goal at the end of the path?"
"Here it is." Villentretenmerth raised his forearm, frightened, the young dragon started to chirp.
"Here is my goal, my purpose. Thanks to him, I shall prove, Geralt of Rivia, that there is
no limit as to what's possible. You too, one day, will discover such a purpose, witcher.
Even those who are different deserve to live. Goodbye, Geralt. Goodbye, Yennefer."
It was similar for Geralt too. Not entirely, or well - to make my thoughts clear - it wasn't the driving factor of his character. But it was there, and it grew stronger with time... Geralt knew that he was doomed to be a witcher and a killer for the rest
of his days. He kept moving, but deep inside he hated his "fate". I noticed this in the very beginning, when I was reading some chapters from The Last Wish short story collection for the first time... It made his character very interesting for me, he was leading that typical fight with himself and was trying to find the purpose. This part from "Something More" nails it:
'Belleteyn!' she cried suddenly. Geralt felt the shoulders pressed against his chest rise and fall.
'They have fun. They celebrate the eternal cycle of nature. And us? What do we do?
We, the relics, those condemned to death, to extermination and oblivion.
Nature is reborn, the cycle repeats itself. But not us, Geralt. We can't perpetuate ourselves.
We are denied that possibility. We have inherited the gift to do extraordinary things with nature,
sometimes against it, but we have been deprived of what is most simple and natural in return.
What does it matter that we live longer than humans? There is no spring after the winter.
We are not reborn, our end carries us with it. But something draws us to the fires,
even though our presence is a cruel joke, a sacrilege against this festival.'
She fell silent. He didn't like to see her fall into such darkness.
He knew the reason too well. It's starting to gnaw at her again, he thought.
There had been a time when it seemed that she had forgotten or accepted her fate.
He moved his shoulders, rocking her like a child. She didn't resist.
Geralt wasn't surprised. He knew that she needed it.
So yeah, just some food for thought. I better stop before I get too deep, I already wrote a bit too much. It was mentioned in the books several times and it still remains an unanswered question. I mean there is a whole book dedicated to it, and even that isn't enough. Imagine all the passages we could dig up and discuss. I believe destiny might have played a part.
But then again...
“Your wish,” she whispered, her lips very near his ear. “I don't know whether such a wish can
ever be fulfilled. I don't know whether there's such a Force in Nature that could fulfill such a wish.
But if there is, then you've condemned yourself. Condemned yourself to me.”
It's Geralt noble act that makes Yennefer fall for him, not some magic. After that they start their relationship, discover how similar they are despite their fights, their love starts to grow and thus they realize that they are made for each other. Again, all of this happens naturally, and it would have happened anyway with or without the Djinn's help. The fact that (Essi, Triss, Fringilla, etc) can't compete with Yennefer have nothing to do with Djinn's magic (or curse as some people like to think) - you simply can't replace someone's soulmate.
Well i agree that break up could be done in better way that is what i i`m saying, and also there could be various interpretation of Last Wish quest cuz of its design where Yennefer say i expect that you would be stranger to me ( don`t know why she said that in the first place) and Geralt say magic is gone for me, that way it could seem that all was cuz of wish, my opinion is that break up could be done better without even mentioning a wish.
So only one romanceable waifu instead of two you had before is not "forcing"? Perhaps only in my imagination it is. Meh.
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While there is no single obvious choice like in TW3 (although giving her the rose of remembrance or not is close - giving the rose to someone is a symbolic "I love you" message), there are a few choices that can be more or less equal to a break up (such as in the rose of remembrance quest, and also not saving her in chapter 3) or "only friends" relationship, not to mention she can have limited screen time without any "romantic" interaction with the right choices. Are there any scenes after the prologue where it is said or implied that Geralt loves Triss without the player specifically choosing so ?
If anyone wonders what happened, the discussion of Witcher 2 Triss got moved to the Triss thread. Discussion may be continued here: http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/58277-Triss-Merigold-of-Maribor-(All-Spoilers)-Resurgence?goto=newpost
Yup..another thing I 'love' :heart:
She, of all people, shouldn't have any doubts about the wish. Because, hello, she's the only person besides Geralt who knows EXACTLY what he wished for? :wallbash:
She knew what he wished, but she didn't know how Djinn fulfilled this wish...
Yeah. That's why I thought that his wish wasn't even for binding their fates, despite even hint about it. As I wrote before - his wish could be very simple: "I want her".
But game-lore contradict this.
With this - I cannot agree. First, would Yen be so stunned by something like that? "Oh look, another horny man wanting to get into my pants". Secondly, such a wish wouldn't have saved her life, Geralt would have accomplished nothing by such wording. The 'binding their fates' together is the most popular theory because it's the most logical.
He could wish anything he wants else - but he wished her...
Why? Djinn couldn't harm her - bacause she is Geralt's wish.
Maybe...but it's not in Yen's character to allow someone bind her with the magic.This is not in her nature. I think she will try to remove such kind of spell, especially during their hard times. So I think this popular theory - wrong.
I think this "I want her" thing would be very not in her nature
It's basically Geralt forcing himself on her -"Djinn, do you see this woman? She doesn't really like me yet..but she's pretty and I want her..so..can you do something about it?" . I'd be furious If I'd heard a person I've known for like 2 days, say something like that. Also Yennefer says that she's not sure if such a wish could ever be granted...so it must be something complicated, and tying fates IS complicated./damn, will 'the wish discussion' ever end:geraltsad:? There are sooo many more interesting things about Yen and Yen&Geralt....
Well this phrase could mean much more, than just "I wanna f**k her"
No. :evil:
Yeah seriously, guys. Their romance in the game is very wish-centric as it is. And according to the leaked files there'll be even more talk about the wish with 1.09 patch :dry:
Yes, lmao.
Like I said earlier..in TW3 alone the word 'wish' is used more frequently than in the 8 books ;D