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Yennefer of Vengerberg (all spoilers) - The Revival

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Gilthoniel

Gilthoniel

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#301
Oct 5, 2015
Victorzilki said:
Is not a spel or magic, is just the Destiny simple that is....Is this part of the scene,Geralt is remember the meeting with Yennefer, and the motivation to went Cintra looking for Ciri (Yennefer ask to do it), because of that, he call her mane, and he lover her of course....
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I think Slowdive was only joking with the "magic" comment ;) Geralt loves Yennefer.
 
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Victorzilki

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#302
Oct 5, 2015
Gilthoniel said:
I think Slowdive was only joking with the "magic" comment ;) Geralt loves Yennefer.
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Hehehehehehe Sory sarcasm sometimes catch me.
 
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Lilic

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#303
Oct 6, 2015
Sephira said:
This, so much this, even Geralt said before he had no goal in this path. Always thought this part was so important for the whole saga yet it almost remained unrecognized.

So much references.

So much.

I don't even express these thoughts voluntarily, because I have the feel to become annoying at this point (If I weren't already). I'll just only add some bits... Something more... :p

‘Witcher,’ Three Jackdaws suddenly said, ‘I want to ask you a question.’
‘Ask it.’
‘Why don’t you turn back?’
The Witcher looked at him in silence for a moment. ‘Do you really want to know?’
‘Yes, I do,’ Three Jackdaws said, turning his face towards Geralt.
‘I’m riding with them because I’m a servile golem. Because I’m a wisp of oakum blown by the wind along the highway. Tell me, where should I go? And for what? At least here some people have gathered with whom I have something to talk about. People who don’t break off their conversations when I approach. People who, though they may not like me, say it to my face, and don’t throw stones from behind a fence. I’m riding with them for the same reason I rode with you to the log drivers’ inn. Because it’s all the same to me. I don’t have a goal to head towards. I don’t have a destination at the end of the road.’
Three Jackdaws cleared his throat. ‘There’s a destination at the end of every road. Everybody has one. Even you, although you like to think you’re somehow different.’
‘Now I’ll ask you a question.’
‘Ask it.’
‘Do you have a destination at the end of the road?’
‘I do.’
‘Lucky for you.’
‘It is not a matter of luck, Geralt. It is a matter of what you believe in and what you serve. No one ought to know that better than… than a witcher.’
‘I keep hearing about goals today,’ Geralt sighed. ‘Niedamir’s aim is to seize Malleore. Eyck of Denesle’s calling is to protect people from dragons. Dorregaray feels obligated to something quite the opposite. Yennefer, by virtue of certain changes which her body was subjected to, cannot fulfil her wishes and is terribly undecided. Dammit, only the Reavers and the dwarves don’t feel a calling, and simply want to line their pockets. Perhaps that’s why I’m so drawn to them?’
‘You aren’t drawn to them, Geralt of Rivia. I’m neither blind nor deaf. It wasn’t at the sound of their name you pulled out that pouch. But I surmise…’
‘There’s no need to surmise,’ the Witcher said, without anger.
‘I apologise.’
‘There’s no need to apologise.’

[SUB](Sword of Destiny)[/SUB]

Being alone, with his "destiny", no goal, just wandering, find new job and then go on, maybe having friends and his witchers companions... but it misses something more, something that would prove him to be not alone in this path, to not being "only" a freak.
Yennefer realized this too, you can clearly understand both in Belleteyn, and then after being blinded in Sodden Battle. She was alone, he was alone.

Do as I ask. I wouldn't like anything bad to happen to you. I like you too much, owe you too much—'
'You've said that already. What do you owe me, Yennefer?'
The sorceress turned her head away, did not say anything for a while.
'You travelled with him,' she said finally. 'Thanks to you he was not alone. You were a friend to him. You were with him.'
The bard lowered his eyes.
'He didn't get much from it,' he muttered. 'He didn't get much from our friendship. He had little but trouble because of me. He constantly had to get me out of some scrape... help me...'
She leaned across the table, put her hand on his and squeezed it hard without saying anything. Her eyes held regret.

[SUB](Blood of Elves)[/SUB]

No goal at the end of the road, that's what makes them afraid. Being alone, alone with his/her own destiny.
Geralt being afraid that Ciri could become like him, while being alone.

‘Are we leaving?’
‘You’re leaving,’ said the Witcher, throwing the poet Pegasus’s reins. ‘Farewell, Dandelion. The dryads will escort you a couple of miles upstream so you won’t fall into the hands of the soldiers from Brugge, who are probably still hanging around on the far bank.’
‘What about you? Are you staying here?’
‘No. I’m not.’
‘You’ve learned something. From the Squirrels. You know something about Ciri, don’t you?’
‘Farewell, Dandelion.’
‘Geralt... Listen to me—’
‘Listen to what?’ shouted the Witcher, before his voice suddenly faltered. ‘I can’t leave— I can’t just leave her to her fate. She’s completely alone... She cannot be left alone, Dandelion. You’ll never understand that. No one will ever understand that, but I know. If she remains alone, the same thing will happen to her as once happened to me... You’ll never understand that...’
‘I do understand. Which is why I’m coming with you.’
‘You’re insane. Do you know where I’m headed?’
‘Yes, I do. Geralt, I— I haven’t told you everything. I’m... I feel guilty. I didn’t do anything; I didn’t know what to do. But now I know. I want to go with you. I want to be by your side.’

[SUB](Time of Contempt)[/SUB]

(please note Dandelion reaction here, according with the little chat he and Yennefer had back in the previous book) Anyway won't go further with the Hansa, because it's not Geralt's thread.

We are not talking about love here, but how much they were similar in this case. Geralt, seen that most of people surrounding him consider him an "emotions" freak, he reacts according to this belief. As he realized that he, seriously, had some emotion-defect phase... then, as Triss said, he was the one who suffocated his emotions at this point. Because he could be the most normal guy out there. Add that his character was built to be shy, introvert and so on...

Then, we come back to the character, Yennefer. We know what Yennfer's gripe was, but she reacted differently to that, more anger, stubborness and, when time needed it, manipulation and revenge. She passed the trial to get rid of her "freak" side, and what she had done. She so gained Tissaia teaching her how to contain emotions and don't show any weakness.

And so on... and so on...
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Great post @Sephira! And I would like to add one more quote:

One night they spent under the open sky, they witcher awakened from a nightmare. It seemed as if he was paralysed and helpless, a great grey owl was clawing at his face and with its sharp hooked beak, trying to peck his eyes out. He awoke. But he was not sure if he had moved from one nightmare to another.

Over their encampment poured bright light that startled the horses. In the midst of the brightness a room was visible – a columned hall in a castle. Around a table sat ten figures. Ten women.
He could hear words. Snippets of sentences.

‘...Bring her to us, Yennefer. We command you.’
‘You cannot give me orders. You cannot give orders to her. You don’t have any power over her!’
‘I’m not afraid of them, mother. They cannot do anything. If they wish, I will stand before them.
‘We will meet on June first. At the new moon. We command you both to appear. We warn you, we’ll punish any disobedience.’
‘I will come now, Philippa. Let her stay with him. Don’t leave him alone. Just a couple of days. I will come immediately. As a show of good faith. I have vowed, Philippa. Please.’

The light began to throb. The horses snorted , crazed and kicked at the ground.
The witcher awoke. This time for real.

The Lady of the lake
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Krull32

Krull32

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#304
Oct 8, 2015
Wohoo.

Addes segments to conversions with Triss and Yen before battle at Kaer Morhen
Added new romance related segments in conversations with Triss and Yen in the Sunstone Quest.

Well, takes a while before i can say something to that, have to start NG :D
 
Zyvik

Zyvik

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#305
Oct 8, 2015
So those leaked dialogues were legit after all...Don't really know how to feel about it. I'm glad that Yen will get more content, but on the other hand...I REALLY don't want to talk with her about the wish AGAIN :rant: And I guess at this point we can forget about any fixes for Yen/Ciri relationship :crybaby:
 
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Krull32

Krull32

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#306
Oct 8, 2015
Well maybe they changed it here and there ? Or did i miss something ?
Really they exact dialogues like the leaked ones... ? :huh:


Zyvik said:
And I guess at this point we can forget about any fixes for Yen/Ciri relationship
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Well, maybe in the Future . I would not give up "so fast". Priorities ... ;)
 
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YenneferB

YenneferB

Senior user
#307
Oct 8, 2015
We don't know if they make some changes in that dialogues So i propose to calm down at least to the patch is release and we can talk about that. I'm sure in that thread and about Triss they will be a lot to talk about.:devil::evil:
 
ooodrin

ooodrin

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#308
Oct 8, 2015
Zyvik said:
And I guess at this point we can forget about any fixes for Yen/Ciri relationship
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Well, according to the leak, Blinky says that she is glad Geralt ended up with Yen, perhaps that's the all she is capable of, even though it's hardly a replacement for a proper scene with her mother.
 
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Krull32

Krull32

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Oct 8, 2015
Yeah just wait and see. As Usual.
YenneferB said:
I'm sure in that thread and about Triss they will be a lot to talk about.
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you can count on that ...::lol:
 
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xxgwxx

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#310
Oct 8, 2015
ooodrin said:
Well, according to the leak, Blinky says that she is glad Geralt ended up with Yen, perhaps that's the all she is capable of, even though it's hardly a replacement for proper scene with her mother.
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Yup , she could be like : "What are you doing with this crazy woman???" :happy2: :D
 
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Krull32

Krull32

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#311
Oct 8, 2015
xxgwxx said:
Yup , she could be like : "What are you doing with this crazy woman"
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Why , Geralt....... WHY ??:wisegirl: I could share Avallac'h with you ... :happy2:
 
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xxgwxx

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Oct 8, 2015
Zyvik said:
.I REALLY don't want to talk with her about the wish AGAIN
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I'm looking forward to it. It's been a reaaaaallly long time since the last time I could do this :lol::laughing:
 
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xxRENEGADExx

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#313
Oct 8, 2015
I hope when Geralt will talk with Ciri about Yen...Ciri, at least, will smile this time.
 
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YenneferB

YenneferB

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#314
Oct 8, 2015
xxRENEGADExx said:
I hope when Geralt will talk with Ciri about Yen...Ciri, at least, will smile this time.
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Nah she will be more like this :cirisad:
 
Zyvik

Zyvik

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#315
Oct 8, 2015
xxRENEGADExx said:
I hope when Geralt will talk with Ciri about Yen...Ciri, at least, will smile this time.
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Smile for her mother? Nah, it'll be too big of an effort for Blinky.
 
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xxRENEGADExx

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#316
Oct 8, 2015
Zyvik said:
Smile for her mother? Nah, it'll be too big of an effort for Blinky.
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Well...she didn't mock that their love=spell. Good start.
 
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Slowdive

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#317
Oct 8, 2015
Interesting what Ciri says in 1.10 if Geralt kicked out both women.

"No sorceress - no problems" ?
 
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xxRENEGADExx

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#318
Oct 8, 2015
Slowdive said:
Interesting what Ciri says in 1.10 if Geralt kicked out both women.

"No sorceress - no problems" ?
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According to leak: "You are not a dog on chain, Geralt. You are free like a wolf."
 
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xxgwxx

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#319
Oct 8, 2015
xxRENEGADExx said:
According to leak: "You are not a dog on chain, Geralt. You are free like a wolf."
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Damn, I was hoping for something like : "Welcome to the 4ever alone club " :cirisad:
 
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Charcharo

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#320
Oct 8, 2015
Slowdive said:
Interesting what Ciri says in 1.10 if Geralt kicked out both women.

"No sorceress - no problems" ?
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Well...

So... Ciri according to this... is there to reassure the player of their choices? No matter which choices?
This is... bad writing, bad character development, inferior Bethesda/Bioware game design... *sigh*

And here I was hoping an NPC would show a backbone to both Geralt AND the player for once... perfect fantasy I guess. :(
 
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