Gave Yen the boot after the djinn quest. Clever play by CDPR and exactly the kind of quest I would have written - get rid of the curse to reveal our feelings each other. Sorry Yen. 
Still, I wasn't a fan of the dialog. The choices and Geralt's response were far more abrupt than I expected.
Still, I wasn't a fan of the dialog. The choices and Geralt's response were far more abrupt than I expected.
Gave Yen the boot after the djinn quest. Clever play by CDPR and exactly the kind of quest I would have written - get rid of the curse to reveal our feelings each other. Sorry Yen.
Still, I wasn't a fan of the dialog. The choices and Geralt's response were far more abrupt than I expected.
In my opinion it wasn't so clever - the wish was never about love. So many people claiming now otherwise thanks to the game...so the whole Witcher book saga and their complicated but true love was a lie and curse...
Oh well:
In my opinion it wasn't so clever - the wish was never about love. So many people claiming now otherwise thanks to the game...so the whole Witcher book saga and their complicated but true love was a lie and curse...
Oh well:
Nah, you can't really trust Sapkowski about the wish, he's obviously biased being Yennefer fanboy No.1, you have to use your imagination
Yeah that quest is comical. Their destinies and love are forever, regardless of whether or not their fates are bound.
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I guess we can't do antyhing about that. It seems for the CD Project the books was pain in the ass.They went more black and white in this game.On one hand Triss so sweety that i dislike her more then in the books and Yen more like she was at the beginning than in the end of Saga.I don't know why they don't invested more time in these two characters then go with cheesy lines.If things be more complicated it will be better ( talk about the past,confront characters, etc.)
Did you see this?I never see that scene before!
About Yennefer
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Yes it triggers when you complete Skellige quests before Novigrad.
It was posted a few pages back, but here it is:
[video=youtube;JD-MxkaoHRk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD-MxkaoHRk[/video]
Here is a video of the new short dialogue with Yennefer regarding to Hearts of Stone mark
Hi guys i have question for book readers!any body knows yennefer and cracks relationship was before or after geralt?!because cerys mention that geralt and crack had a falling down over a woman once!and in the books gerlat didnt even know about their relationship since he only saw crack in cintra and yennefer doesnt tell him anything about crack and her
It was newer told, where they were together, but it was "long time ago" like both said a few times. About 8 months prior Ciri's birth Crach was around 18, and Geralt was with Yen at that time. I think they had an affair within one of the pauses in Yen's and Geralt relationships.
It was long before she met Geralt, and long before Crach met his wife. Probably 30-40 years ago. Also Geralt/Crach never had a falling out per se, and certainly never over a woman.
Well not a best rebound option for geralt
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Ohh thx
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That makes me feel better!thx
There is a new article about the main ladies on gameinformer.com
Creating The Fierce Women Of The Witcher 3
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...eating-the-fierce-women-of-the-witcher-3.aspx
When most people think of The Witcher, they immediately think of its powerful antihero, Geralt of Rivia. However, he has three intriguing women at his side fighting the harsh realities of its brutal universe. The kind-hearted Triss, sarcastic Yennefer, and rebellious Ciri are all important to the narrative, and each has her own motivations and struggles to overcome a discriminatory society and the world's greater dangers. While CD Projekt Red could have kept the narrative centered on Geralt, instead it saw value in exploring the individual complexities of each woman. In the end, the writing team created three fascinating characters – so much so we couldn't resist finding out how they approached their arcs, giving all of them their own places to shine.
Going Beyond The Books
CD Projekt's Witcher series is based on the best-selling novels by Andrzej Sapkowski, a Polish writer often compared to J.R.R. Tolkien. Sapkowski laid the groundwork for all the characters in the Witcher universe, something that CD Projekt respects and tries not to wander too far from. The personalities have to match and fall in line with how the characters have been presented by Sapkowski. However, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt takes place after the books, forcing the writers to ask the question: How did the characters grow in the time that has passed since the novels?
Ciri, in particular, was a child at the start of the books and a teenager when they ended. CD Projekt Red had the task of showing her as a maturing woman. "With Ciri we had the most freedom and it was also the biggest challenge, because she is a very different character," says senior writer Jakub Szamałek. "Now, she's grown up; she's been through a lot of things so we wanted to create a character who is aware of her special place in the world, but who doesn't want to accept it."
For Triss and Yennefer, the personalities stayed on point from the books, but CD Projekt Red added new dimensions to them by giving each unique struggles. Yennefer has always been a colder character, but her desperate search for Ciri brings out a more caring and motherly side to her. Whereas Triss finds herself caught up in a political struggle in which a new leader in Novigrad is persecuting mages. Her caring nature goes into overdrive, throwing her into a leadership role to help save their lives.
While CD Projekt Red gave each woman her own trials, a common thread brings them all together: their relationships with each other and Geralt. CD Projekt Red knew with the expansive game it planned to create it couldn't have the main plot be something abstract like killing a certain monster or about politics; the centerpiece had to be emotional. That's how Ciri became the link that would make all their paths cross.
Triss is like a sister figure to Ciri, while Geralt and Yennefer have a more parental relationship with her. "It had to be someone close to Geralt, and Ciri is without a doubt the most important character in the Witcher saga," Szamałek says. "We knew this would be the final installment in Geralt's adventures, so we felt that we had to bring her up and make her the key to the story to this final installment of Geralt's saga."
Writing Characters As People
It may seem like a no-brainer, but CD Projekt Red's core philosophy is to make sure every character has a place in the story. This extends to NPCs. "When creating characters, both major characters and really insignificant ones, we want to give them their own aims, goals, and ambitions," Szamalek says. "They're always up to something. They aren't there just for the player to interact with, they are always scheming and doing their own things."
This mantra extends to The Witcher 3's leading ladies. "For us, Triss, Yennefer, and Ciri just are people, not plot devices," says writer Karolina Stachyra. "Our only consideration was to give each of them as much time in the quests as possible to show who they are and why they are so interesting and important for Geralt."
To CD Projekt Red, creating interesting characters means making them flawed and realistic. Similar to the moral ambiguity in the choices you make, characters also must reflect that. "We focus on creating interesting characters and if someone is an interest ing person, he or she has to have shades of gray – because this is what makes us human," Stachyra says.
Szamalek thinks it's important that the lead characters' personalities add contrast against the harsh landscape and awful people in it, while still maintaining their own rough edges. "It's important that the characters you interact the most with are likeable, but that doesn't mean that they all have to be Mary Sues and they all have to be ideal, nice, warm, and cuddly."
Triss, Ciri, and Yennefer all have their likeable qualities, but they're far from idealized. Ciri can be reckless, Yennefer is detached, and Triss is sometimes too kind for her own good. These flaws enable CD Projekt to put them in interesting situations.
Triss isn't a natural born leader, but when the mages are being persecuted in Novigrad and no one steps up to protect them she steps into that role and must cope with the heavy responsibility. On the other hand, Yennefer aligns with unpredictable political leaders, letting her guard down all in the name of finding Ciri. These women don't exist merely for Geralt. While he's on his journey, they're having their own experiences, fighting their own battles.
Creating The Fierce Women Of The Witcher 3
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...eating-the-fierce-women-of-the-witcher-3.aspx
When most people think of The Witcher, they immediately think of its powerful antihero, Geralt of Rivia. However, he has three intriguing women at his side fighting the harsh realities of its brutal universe. The kind-hearted Triss, sarcastic Yennefer, and rebellious Ciri are all important to the narrative, and each has her own motivations and struggles to overcome a discriminatory society and the world's greater dangers. While CD Projekt Red could have kept the narrative centered on Geralt, instead it saw value in exploring the individual complexities of each woman. In the end, the writing team created three fascinating characters – so much so we couldn't resist finding out how they approached their arcs, giving all of them their own places to shine.
Going Beyond The Books
CD Projekt's Witcher series is based on the best-selling novels by Andrzej Sapkowski, a Polish writer often compared to J.R.R. Tolkien. Sapkowski laid the groundwork for all the characters in the Witcher universe, something that CD Projekt respects and tries not to wander too far from. The personalities have to match and fall in line with how the characters have been presented by Sapkowski. However, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt takes place after the books, forcing the writers to ask the question: How did the characters grow in the time that has passed since the novels?
Ciri, in particular, was a child at the start of the books and a teenager when they ended. CD Projekt Red had the task of showing her as a maturing woman. "With Ciri we had the most freedom and it was also the biggest challenge, because she is a very different character," says senior writer Jakub Szamałek. "Now, she's grown up; she's been through a lot of things so we wanted to create a character who is aware of her special place in the world, but who doesn't want to accept it."
For Triss and Yennefer, the personalities stayed on point from the books, but CD Projekt Red added new dimensions to them by giving each unique struggles. Yennefer has always been a colder character, but her desperate search for Ciri brings out a more caring and motherly side to her. Whereas Triss finds herself caught up in a political struggle in which a new leader in Novigrad is persecuting mages. Her caring nature goes into overdrive, throwing her into a leadership role to help save their lives.
While CD Projekt Red gave each woman her own trials, a common thread brings them all together: their relationships with each other and Geralt. CD Projekt Red knew with the expansive game it planned to create it couldn't have the main plot be something abstract like killing a certain monster or about politics; the centerpiece had to be emotional. That's how Ciri became the link that would make all their paths cross.
Triss is like a sister figure to Ciri, while Geralt and Yennefer have a more parental relationship with her. "It had to be someone close to Geralt, and Ciri is without a doubt the most important character in the Witcher saga," Szamałek says. "We knew this would be the final installment in Geralt's adventures, so we felt that we had to bring her up and make her the key to the story to this final installment of Geralt's saga."
Writing Characters As People
It may seem like a no-brainer, but CD Projekt Red's core philosophy is to make sure every character has a place in the story. This extends to NPCs. "When creating characters, both major characters and really insignificant ones, we want to give them their own aims, goals, and ambitions," Szamalek says. "They're always up to something. They aren't there just for the player to interact with, they are always scheming and doing their own things."
This mantra extends to The Witcher 3's leading ladies. "For us, Triss, Yennefer, and Ciri just are people, not plot devices," says writer Karolina Stachyra. "Our only consideration was to give each of them as much time in the quests as possible to show who they are and why they are so interesting and important for Geralt."
To CD Projekt Red, creating interesting characters means making them flawed and realistic. Similar to the moral ambiguity in the choices you make, characters also must reflect that. "We focus on creating interesting characters and if someone is an interest ing person, he or she has to have shades of gray – because this is what makes us human," Stachyra says.
Szamalek thinks it's important that the lead characters' personalities add contrast against the harsh landscape and awful people in it, while still maintaining their own rough edges. "It's important that the characters you interact the most with are likeable, but that doesn't mean that they all have to be Mary Sues and they all have to be ideal, nice, warm, and cuddly."
Triss, Ciri, and Yennefer all have their likeable qualities, but they're far from idealized. Ciri can be reckless, Yennefer is detached, and Triss is sometimes too kind for her own good. These flaws enable CD Projekt to put them in interesting situations.
Triss isn't a natural born leader, but when the mages are being persecuted in Novigrad and no one steps up to protect them she steps into that role and must cope with the heavy responsibility. On the other hand, Yennefer aligns with unpredictable political leaders, letting her guard down all in the name of finding Ciri. These women don't exist merely for Geralt. While he's on his journey, they're having their own experiences, fighting their own battles.
| The Yennefer Challenge | ||
| Yennefer has a huge arc in Andrzej Sapkowski’s Witcher novels, and CD Projekt Red was intimidated to tackle such a complex character in the games. “We avoided introducing her in the first two games partly because she was such an important character that we were afraid of bringing her to the picture,” says senior writer Jakub Szamałek. For Geralt’s last big journey, CD Projekt Red finally got over its fear and brought her in, but she wasn’t the easiest character to make players understand and like. “Yennefer is difficult character for many reasons,” says writer Karolina Stachyra. “She’s well known to the readers of the saga, and fans had their own expectation according to that character. We needed to face them, which is always very challenging. Second of all she is ironic and sarcastic, often hard to coexist with, and very smart (sometimes even impertinent), so it was another challenge to make her likeable.” “Yennefer is really a mean character in the books,” Szamałek adds. “In the beginning, she seems to be a difficult character and you might even dislike her, but when you finish reading the books, you almost certainly end up liking her. The problem is we had to recreate this. We couldn’t make Yennefer likeable from the first minutes of your interaction with her because it would make her seem and feel like a very different character from the book.” Stachyra says the team had intense discussions on whether or not to make her personality warmer, but ultimately decided against it because they wanted to stay true to what made her special – the part of her that Geralt loved the most. However, they also worked in scenes to show Yennefer’s softer side, like when she sees Ciri at Kaer Morhen and runs and kisses her cheeks. “For someone so preoccupied with her appearances and with how she’s perceived, you can see at this very moment she drops all the pretenses and her guard and she’s basically herself,” Stachyra says. 
Overcoming The Harsh World The Witcher's world is grim and brutal. Similar to George R. R. Martin's Game of Thrones, the backdrop is full of horrible circumstances and uncomfortable situations. CD Projekt Red has maintained Sapkowski's vision from his books, right down to the violent and shocking moments. Sapkowski's creation was heavily influenced by Slavic mythology; the fantasy setting is in archaic times where outmoded attitudes in regards to women were prevalent and class divisions are ever present. Even more so, non- hu mans are not treated kindly, such as when we see Geralt getting called a "freak" or worse at times. When you enter this world, you must be prepared for the bleakness. For some players, it's been hard to watch these primitive attitudes surface and seeing characters, women in particular, being treated poorly. "The world of The Witcher is a horrible place," Szamalek admits. "I'd never want to live there. It's full of violence, of racism, of sexism as well. The world is a grim place with all of these horrible things going on, but I think you'd have to have a lot of bad will to think this is how we as writers or developers of the game think that's how things should work out." While CD Projekt Red is quick to say it's not an ideal world and it doesn't think what occurs in it is right, it does create strong characters who persevere in spite of these unjust circumstances for that very reason. Yennefer, Triss, and Ciri all hold important positions in the world and rise above the evil pitted against them. They're capable on and off the battlefield. Yennefer doesn't wait for Geralt; she runs ahead to find Ciri, using her talents in political scheming to find answers. "Against this backdrop, we put characters that we sympathize with, that we like," Szamalek says. "These characters are often women. They have an opportunity to be important, both for the story of Geralt and be strong characters in their own right. They manage to overcome all the differences and prejudices inherent in this world." From the beginning, CD Projekt Red has always wanted to remain true to Sapkowski's source material and show respect for it. For Szamalek and his writing team, it's been a tough balancing act. "We want to tell an emotional, grim story set in a morally bleak world and we didn't want to punch in kiddie gloves just because it's a video game," he says. "We didn't shy away from some controversies because it's easier or safer to do so. It's a game that can last for up to 200 hours, and we haven't got solutions for everything. Sometimes we didn't quite strike the right tone and we've always acknowledged that we are not perfect and our games are not perfect, but overall we managed to tell a mature story which respects its characters even though they might end up in horrific circumstances."
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I am still not over how pointless those new dialogues were, it's like nothing we critized was addressed and seeing that the first expansion left the women out of it (and I don't know, whether I should be happy about that or not), I don't have high expectations now for the last expansion in this regard, well, in the end they are back together after all this shit, which is nice...
That's the sad thing, I doubt they will change this scene another time, so it was now or never and it looks like either we were too late or they didn't care enough or because of the whole trissmania it got lost in the shuffle...
Can't be much worse than now to be honest.
Well, this happens, when couples break up, something they just swept under the carpet. Sure, it would be heartbreaking as hell, but it would be logical, considering you left the woman you loved 20 years, there are consequences. Geralt and Yennefer are basically a divorced couple, that happens and I think it is a shame that the game had such an opportunity to deal with it, but didn't. Showing that videogames are capable of dealing with such problematic situations.
Your decisions and therefore you have to deal with the consequences, that is one of the fundamentals of this game.
When I said goodbye to Triss, I felt like an asshole and I think that was exactly how I should feel and it was intended by them.
Though I wished I could talk with her more in detail about that....and the amnesia....I don't like it.
Well, it's pretty much based on fanfiction now, so of course it's "great".
More like...
I think a tiny bit in me died, instead of hope all I got was sadness.
Well, can't do much more than annoying the rest of the forum until they react to it, my hope dies at last...however the patch didn't really help in that regard...
One word: Mother. Just call her mother ffs.
Is that really too much to ask for?
or Cirilla of Vengerberg *cough*
Overall a lot of players could get the impression of a lot of wrong things, because the game doesn't explain it in detail. It does say that the wish was about binding their fate together, however this happens in small talk and not during the critical moments, but why change or improve that...
I hope I showed so far that the game does indeed explain some things, however you have to read, understand and process those dialogues and not only "press x" to skip in your mind.
This patch is the worst thing that could happen to be honest. How I am to suppose to take other dialogues seriously, if they are completely fine with disregarding the source, the books?
It's really a shame.
Good, and that's how it should be, Triss is not Yennefer and that is good
However with that patch it seems like they just tried to do that, replace Yennefer with Triss. Even the argumentation that the events from the books are the reason why you are with Triss instead basing it on your decisions due the amnesia...
Sad how dead this thread now seems...guess I am not the only one, who lost all hope.
That's the sad thing, I doubt they will change this scene another time, so it was now or never and it looks like either we were too late or they didn't care enough or because of the whole trissmania it got lost in the shuffle...
Can't be much worse than now to be honest.
heh i'm fully support it...but from another point of view...do you really want it? If it will be done...this quest - it could be far away from what you expect and it could harm a bit.
Quest could end with the words: We are not family anymore. >
Well, this happens, when couples break up, something they just swept under the carpet. Sure, it would be heartbreaking as hell, but it would be logical, considering you left the woman you loved 20 years, there are consequences. Geralt and Yennefer are basically a divorced couple, that happens and I think it is a shame that the game had such an opportunity to deal with it, but didn't. Showing that videogames are capable of dealing with such problematic situations.
Your decisions and therefore you have to deal with the consequences, that is one of the fundamentals of this game.
When I said goodbye to Triss, I felt like an asshole and I think that was exactly how I should feel and it was intended by them.
Though I wished I could talk with her more in detail about that....and the amnesia....I don't like it.
A bit offtopic, but considering we will never be able to talk about it...
I wanted to tell her that she has to stop trying to replace Yennefer (because that's what she always tried, "having the same as Yennefer") and live her own life, find her own Geralt, but not me, because I am already taken, completely, always was, it never changed.
I just wanted that she can stop worrying about it and the patch didn't solved that at all for me and it doesn't feel like Triss is over it, too.
It still feels like it's hanging in the room, like she can't live on, because I couldn't make it clear.
That's what I always hated about Geralt that he thinks everything is about him in a relationship without thinking how it is for the other person.
Well, that's it.
I wanted to tell her that she has to stop trying to replace Yennefer (because that's what she always tried, "having the same as Yennefer") and live her own life, find her own Geralt, but not me, because I am already taken, completely, always was, it never changed.
I just wanted that she can stop worrying about it and the patch didn't solved that at all for me and it doesn't feel like Triss is over it, too.
It still feels like it's hanging in the room, like she can't live on, because I couldn't make it clear.
That's what I always hated about Geralt that he thinks everything is about him in a relationship without thinking how it is for the other person.
Well, that's it.
Well, it's pretty much based on fanfiction now, so of course it's "great".
More like...
I think a tiny bit in me died, instead of hope all I got was sadness.
Well, can't do much more than annoying the rest of the forum until they react to it, my hope dies at last...however the patch didn't really help in that regard...
One word: Mother. Just call her mother ffs.
Is that really too much to ask for?
or Cirilla of Vengerberg *cough*
Overall a lot of players could get the impression of a lot of wrong things, because the game doesn't explain it in detail. It does say that the wish was about binding their fate together, however this happens in small talk and not during the critical moments, but why change or improve that...
I hope I showed so far that the game does indeed explain some things, however you have to read, understand and process those dialogues and not only "press x" to skip in your mind.
This patch is the worst thing that could happen to be honest. How I am to suppose to take other dialogues seriously, if they are completely fine with disregarding the source, the books?
It's really a shame.
Good, and that's how it should be, Triss is not Yennefer and that is good
However with that patch it seems like they just tried to do that, replace Yennefer with Triss. Even the argumentation that the events from the books are the reason why you are with Triss instead basing it on your decisions due the amnesia...
Sad how dead this thread now seems...guess I am not the only one, who lost all hope.
WHAT...? I never got this option? Hmmmm. Regarding the article, I think this is why I cant like Triss. They went into the game thinking Triss' biggest flaw was that she was too kind hearted? *snort* Or am I reading to much into it? No mary sues? Because I have to disagree that is her biggest flaws. Ive said it before but if I had been given the option of talking with Triss about things I would feel less hard headed about disliking her. Probably. But I had that option taken away from me in a small banter where I didnt get a choice about what to say. Alas what is done is done. I dont want to start another fight so I'll shut up.
I wonder if some of these problems will be addressed if they make an enhanced addition? At the end of the day I enjoy the game a great deal, its at the top of my list of fave games, I adore Geralt to little bits and the romances are just a bonus to shape your world, but Im a little sad that we only get Yen in Geralts last adventure and then most of the "love" dialogue is based on the danm wish. Ive already come to the conclusion by reading the books and playing the game that the wish had nothing to do with the love between them but thats all I get to talk to her about.
The thing Im thankful for in this new dialogue is when you go back to Kaer Morhen with Ciri is when you say "good to see you" to Yen your not forced to say all, Ive seen you naked like to Triss "goooood to see you Triss" :smiling2: Phew. Did that ever piss me off in the base game. So I'll give the patch that much.
edited:ah I see how you get that dialogue thanks sephira
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The obvious difference between Triss romance inconsistencies and Ciri/Yen relationship problem is that the former was apparent to everyone and the latter is the book readers exclusive. While we, book readers, appear numerous in this section of the forum, I doubt that we amount for more than a few percents of total TW3 sales. To me it's understandable why they rushed to fix romances first, even though, like you, I found the quality of this addition laughable. We said what we needed to say about our problem, the rest is up to CDPR. They didn't responded to us yet, that is true, but I've seen the developers browsing our threads on many occasions, so I say lets be patient and let them think about it and decide if and how this changes can be implemented. To be honest, the way Act 3 is written, the only room I can think of for Ciri/Yen addition is after completing all the quests in Novigrad and before sailing off to Skellige.
Even if they ultimately don't fix this, it's still not the worst part of TW3 for me, I can headcanon that Yen and Ciri interact off-screen, but no amount of headcanon can fix Eredin and the White Frost, unfortunately.