Yennefer of Vengerberg (all spoilers) - The Revival

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I doubt the Yennefer/Ciri relationship is going to be "fixed", it only seems to concern a small minority of players, and how it is currently portrayed may in fact be intentional. Especially since it would have been possible to change it in patch 1.10, but it was not done. I also would not bet on an enhanced edition being made, I do not recall the developers promising such thing. With the commercial and critical success of the game, they may not see it necessary to release one, and would rather shift all resources to Cyberpunk 2077 as soon as possible.

Im not expecting anything to be honest, but I would love to see it. If they dont Ill love the game regardless but I really want to see the Wild Hunt fleshed out I truly believe CDPR are capable of better than what the vanilla game shows of them (I want the crones to cause shit in Novigrad as well, they came off as weak to me, but thats a nit pick) and also if we dont see Iorveth in Blood and Wine (doubtful that he would be there) then I would hope he could be added in the enhanced edition. He's not even mentioned for crying out loud, they had his voice actor....but nothing except the simulate save bit, which was pointless. So all Im saying is there is reasons why they could feel the need for following tradition and doing an enhanced edition for Wild Hunt. So if they changed the Ciri/Yen relationship then bonus. But if they move the full team over to Cyberpunk then thats cool too cant wait to see more of it. My hope isnt dead yet.
 

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This + Yennefer's big character growth which happened in the novels, not in the short stories...:coffee: But you need Ciri for that...

I'm replaying TW1 right now, and that game have more references to the latter books (Regis, Bonhart, Battle of Brenna, for example) than TW3. I really liked Geralt/Yen relationship in the short stories too, so it was good for me, but you're right - for the Lady of the Lake relationship between them, "something more" is needed :(
 
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I found another thing that irks me about Yennefer in the game. We have Geralt traveling across Velen and Novigrad for how long? Weeks? While Yennefer is patiently waiting for him. What was she doing in Skellige all this time? I get that this is just an open word mechanic, but I wish the game somehow acknowledged this. If Geralt does every single secondary quest instead of just doing the main ones, have her say: "What took you so long, darling? Couldn't get away from your precious Triss?" or something similar.
 
What was she doing in Skellige all this time?
Fixed the Unicorn and waited for Geralt's return... :D

Well, good question. She did not much, true..
Maybe it was the Druids fault because he did not allowed her to investigate the explosion. And it was a bad moment for her to go there anyway.
Because the former king died she could not do what she wanted to do. She can not go everyone on the nerves when the king is dying. The people have plenty of problems in the period.

And maybe she knowed she needs Geralt help for her Actions.
 
Guys, in the beginning TW3, when Geralt discusses letter from Yen with Vesemir - are there any info how he get it? Who gave him it? And when?
I don't recall.
 
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Guys, in the beginning TW3, when Geralt discusses letter from Yen with Vesemir - are there any info how he get it? Who gave him it? And when?
I don't recall.

Mhm..I don't think so (correct me if I'm wrong). He just has it ^^ Maybe Yennefer located him via magic and sent a crow or whatever to give it to him ;) In Blood of Elves it's not mentioned either how exactly he got the "dear friend" letter from her.
 
I think the answer to "Why" is not because there's already been an in-game wedding, but more because it would be completely absurd and out of place.

Yeah, you are right, but playing that wedding with Shani brought up that memory of that short story again.

The ending of the book saga left a bitter aftertaste for me, reading that short story after it was cheering me up again.

That's also why I am quite happy with the game ending, sure, it's quite open, but at least both (+Ciri if witcheress) are free and uncommitted to anyone except for themselves, pretty much the best outcome for them, although I still like the idea that they make Kaer Morhen their home, if nobody else want it anymore :)


The only very extreme possible circumstance I could think of as to why a Geralt/Yen (Or even Triss, guess if we're talking about the games there would have to be Her version of it too) wedding would take place in TW3 is if Blood & Wine was set many, many years after the events of 3, and all the main characters were coming to Touissant to celebrate a Geralt/Romance wedding. Which honestly even just thinking about that concept makes me want to be sick.

Geralt/Yen just aren't the marrying type, it's silly, and it's not within their characters at all. Sapkowski knew that, hence why he specifically stated it was non-canon, and would never ever have done it if it wasn't simply out of love for the 'couple' who requested it. I know it's your 'fanboy dream', but realistically it was never going to happen in the games, and I don't really think you can be disappointed since it truly is the definition of a "pipe dream" if I've ever heard one.

True, I guess the new mentality rub off on me. I am also heavily against a romance dlc, that would harm the game more, though I wished there were more interaction between the characters and not just to Geralt.


Shit, someone make a thread that I can be happy in. I feel like every post I make lately has just been Negative Nancy to the max.

Yeah, I know that feeling...

That's a shame, because then Triss would end up with Eskel and the forums would absolutely melt :smiling2:

Sure, that wouldn't please everyone, but me for sure, because I would know that Triss can move on and it's also interesting that Sapkowski decided to write that ;)

Eskel and Geralt also seem to be quite similar in their character and this way every Jill will find her Jack.

I think it's going to be better now, it looks like the activity of the whole forum dropped a lot in the last weeks, I guess the mainstream hype is gone and with that a lot of onesided opinions (was really a hazzle to discuss with someone, who has only the knowledge of one game, while I have the knowledge of 3 games and 8 books).

Honestly Im not interested in a Geralt/Romance wedding either. Yen/Geralt dont need it.

A man can dream :)

But I agree, it's not necessary, though would have been nice.

But I understand most people on yens romance path just mostly want the Ciri thing recognised I fully support the Ciri/Yen relationship to have "something more" because it really lacks and I feel like Yennefer fans got a little bit of the short end of the stick after waiting so long for her.

A lot of people think only of Geralt and Ciri, when they mention the "family", that's how well it was portrayed in the game...just today someone posted a fanart on Reddit with the title "Family love" and who is missing? Exactly, Yennefer.

Im glad they mostly stuck to how Yen is. Maybe they should leave Yen alone until they have time for the maybe EE or they might warp her into something she is not?
Would hate to see Yennefer get watered down. Or the Ciri thing to feel like a band aid.

Well, so far all they.... one... actually.... did was saying "sorry" and that's it. If the next expansion pack doesn't change anything, I guess we can forget it. At least Trissfans got their fanfiction done, while people like me are wondering why they tore apart the family.

So...I had a lot of time to think about my life finish my second playthrough of TW3. And good God Yen/Ciri relationship is even worse than I remembered. If CDPR aren't going to fix it, I hope they'll at least provide us with an explanation what the hell are those "plans" Yen had for Ciri. Or just cut that horrible line. That'll be even better.

But how do people know then that Yennefer wants to use Ciri for her evil plans?

Yeah, really I do not think REDs will change anything. I think that's it, finita la comedia. There is too much to change to please everyone - Ciri/Yen, The Lodge, white frost, Eredin and so on and so on, it would be easier to change Act 3 from scratch, rather than patch the plot holes with an additional/removed dialogues :boredom:

They can't fix everything, some things can't be fixed (you can't rewrite a whole act, rewriting anything is also unlikely, because that would mean admitting that they did mistakes and nobody likes to admit that about his/her own work), but from all the issues people mentioned here in the forums, they took their time (and money) and added fanfiction, great.

As I said if that isn't favoritism, what else?

They still haven't clean up Rita after rescuing her and I doubt this is such a huge workload.

I am backing off from my fanboy dream of the wedding, while others get their fanfiction wish fulfilled, great. Once again being reasonable is not paying off, so yeah, a bit grumpy in the last weeks...

But I'm glad they added Shani to the game again, although I could imagine that a lot of people are still disappointed that it didn't become more than just a short affair. A relationship to Shani has as much foundation as Triss' one, yet nobody here is crying and urging people for a petition, because of the inconsistency of their romance, no, some people even defend that it doesn't become a real romance, kinda funny in retrospect.

So all Im saying is there is reasons why they could feel the need for following tradition and doing an enhanced edition for Wild Hunt. So if they changed the Ciri/Yen relationship then bonus. But if they move the full team over to Cyberpunk then thats cool too cant wait to see more of it. My hope isnt dead yet.

People always mention that EE, but the last statement about that was that there won't be one and that means Blood and Wine will be the last chance to change something and I don't want to put my hope onto something, which they excluded from the start....that's also why 1.10 was such a disappointment, because I fear that was the only chance and there won't be anything anymore...at all...

I found another thing that irks me about Yennefer in the game. We have Geralt traveling across Velen and Novigrad for how long? Weeks? While Yennefer is patiently waiting for him. What was she doing in Skellige all this time? I get that this is just an open word mechanic, but I wish the game somehow acknowledged this. If Geralt does every single secondary quest instead of just doing the main ones, have her say: "What took you so long, darling? Couldn't get away from your precious Triss?" or something similar.

Greetings, Yen.
Good thing you’re here… The Frostbite was starting to set in.

You should’ve worn warmer clothing.
You should’ve dressed warmer.
Mhm. Next you’ll be pinning mittens to my coat. Can we go?
Yeah.

Had something that needed taking care of.
Had a matter to tend to.

A matter that brooked no delay, I presume… What was it? A nekker contract?
Something like that. Can we go?

If you don't go immediately with Yennefer from Echoes of the Past to Lafoten, but arrive later.

Speaking of unicorns...I HATED that unicorn on the auction. It's Yennefer-only fetish, no other sorceress is allowed to have it :no

Would have been hilarious, if you could have bought it and then it appears at Kaer Morhen, or someone stole Yennefer's in Kaer Trolde and tried to sell it at the auction, but Yennefer got it back and that's why it is missing until the ending.

Guys, in the beginning TW3, when Geralt discusses letter from Yen with Vesemir - are there any info how he get it? Who gave him it? And when?
I don't recall.

Don't know, but I think magic is probably more likely. In the books the kings stopped using sorcerers to transfer messages and rely only on traditional ways.

Geralt was on a 6 month journey to find Yennefer after receiving her letter, that was in december, 5 months after Loc Muinne.

If she sent a normal messenger, how was he suppose to find him? And even in enemy territory?

So magic is probably more likely, maybe that ladybug even had something to with it.



Well, since the wedding is a no-go now, what would you actually like to see, if they actually put other characters into Blood and Wine?

Personally I don't want to see another sex scene or something like that, for what? Sure, nice to look at, but well, it's just sex :p

I would rather see simple interactions, little gestures between them (something like at Thanedd, when she goes to greet others, but still have an eye on him and he on her) or even better together with Ciri, but what exactly would be the "quest" for it?

Even the wedding in Something ends, Something begins wasn't just a wedding.

Except for The Last Wish everything in the game is related to Ciri, when those two are involved, but since Ciri is fine again (assuming it is placed after the main story), that matter is gone.

Hmm.

I still like the idea of making Kaer Morhen their home *cough* but not exactly around the corner.

They already have a princess and then a castle ;)
 
Exactly. Honestly, I think it completely contradicts with the original symbology. If the quest was called "The Last Dank"
I wouldn't mind "magic is gone" at all. But if you quote the short story title... well then, at least try to respect its meaning?

Sapkowski wanted to finally introduce us to Yennefer at the end of the book - right after the shocking Voice of Reason 6. We knew why she was trying to capture the Djinn and what she wanted to do with it... This is strengthened even more in the following short stories, and shows you the main purpose of her character - the symbol of maternity. Life, fertility, Ciri. The whole Last Wish story is playing with the usual (and base) topics of traditional romance stories - the first impression, affection and mainly that these feelings really don't know any borders and listen to no reason. They just happen, because life happens. Should it be Chireadan or Geralt. The interesting part - he presents it through a character who is unique and "fights" with the usual fantasy literature stereotype, just like the author said himself. That would be Yennefer. Sapkowski is telling us: "If this story doesn't prove the purity of his feelings... I don't know what else will". It happens out of nowhere, something about her triggers the poor mutant. But that doesn't mean it isn't natural, come the fuck on. That's just the way the story is told. To make it interesting. The claims that Geralt said his wish under the effect of Yennefer's "control spell" and/or that their feelings for each other were just a spell... are ridiculous in my opinion, just look at the "progress" of their relationship later in the books. Geralt's wish is a grand finale to the topic of romance in fantasy stories. Geralt could wish for anything he ever dreamed of. He could get rid of the mutations - just like Yennefer (who met him recently) figured out, she already understood him so well... He could wish for riches or power. The chance of his lifetime. What did he wish for? Kek, it's unreasonable and doesn't make sense. I saw so many of these posts... That's what Sapkowki is trying to tell us. It (love?) has no rules, knows no limits and happens spontaneously. Not to mention Djinn actually can't create love itself. Sapkowski never mentioned it's any different in his books - so I always stick with the general portrayal of these creatures. Yes, their fates were bound together, but the feelings had to come naturally, it wasn't against their own will at all, which is implied in the story from Geralt's point of view. It's the same for Yennefer later in the story, not the spell, but the act itself.

Well and "The Last Wish" quest we have in The Witcher 3 IMPLIES that their feelings were affected by the Djinn's spell. Which is nothing but a made up plot tool to reassure the players. If that isn't the case, then what the fuck? It was never implied in the books, in fact, it was never mentioned again, only in that one particular short story. It was a way the story was told, also an introduction to the symbology of higher powers - which will be crucial later on, in The Sword of Destiny.

I don't buy cheap romance options based on fan service. Write it better, make it reasonable and then I can believe it.
I would rather have him say that things have changed and so did his feelings and he loves Triss - honest and way better.
There is absolutely no need to include any Djinn or spells in the break-up. No magic. SIMPLY: I don't love you anymore.

50 experience. Sorry, Yen. But... magic's gone for me. Djinn granted your wish... JUST WHY? :facepalm:

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The way I see it, it is not proven, if this love would exist without the magic of the Djinn, what he made in the Last Wish.

So many people (gamers) thanks to this quest think that the love was something not real...I don't know why Karolina, who wrote the best quest in TW3 (Bloody Baron) and apparently is huge Witcher books fan...why she decided to write the quest in this way...as you said simple "I don't love you anymore" would be better.
 
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