Yennefer of Vengerberg (all spoilers)

[Willowhugger]

Uh-uh the child theory was in mind not so long time ago. I don't take it as 100% reliable now. Anyway if I recall correctly Geralt didn't know she was struggling for this, so actually this wish would not have made sense imho.

But it's a good wish though.

Geralt's mother was a Sorceress and he was aware that, by all accounts, she shouldn't have been able to have a child.

Just saying that Sorceresses having children was always very rare.

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This theory is not really believable. Why? Because such a wish wouldn't save Yennefer's life. And that was a point of that wish.

Why in the world wouldn't it save Yennefer's life?

She can't have a child if she's dead.

 

[Sephira]

This theory is not really believable. Why? Because such a wish wouldn't save Yennefer's life. And that was a point of that wish.

Good point, but she would have survived for at least having a child.

 

[Scholdarr.452]

Wait wait wait! It was not the first time Geralt broke up with Yen. In their 20+ years together they was apart for years, Geralt even thought that Yen is a traitor after Thanned events. And nothing happened with his feels about her. Love did not disappeared when they both changed, hated each other or went through other problems. Geralt was with other women - Triss, Fringillia, Litta Neyd, but always thought of Yen.
So I do not see how change (not the first one) could affect his love to Yen. It was his love, not hers, and his wish, his devotion to this woman, not hers. I do not see, how normal human being can wish to be with someone, and then throw her away because of reasons.

Well, persons can do. If Geralt changed the only possible reason for that can be Triss. If she manages that Geralt begins to develop feelings for her it's possible that he will choose her instead of Yen. Not because he suddenly lost all feelings for Yen (which is indeed badly written in the game if you break up during the Last Wish quest) but because he thinks that he loves Triss even more. And that is perfectly believable. It happens in reality all the time when couples break up for whatever reason because one of them (or both) found somebody they liked even more...

 

[Slowdive]

I agree.

If Geralt chooses differently, it's because he's CHANGED.

Not because he didn't love Yennefer.

After 20 years of love, joint sufferings and moments of pain and happiness Geralt suddenly has changed and suddenly has fallen in love with the one he always ignored. Oscar for that scenario.

I know it's maybe typical for our real rotten modern world where love has no price at all but master Sapkowski and CDPR tried to show us that Love is something more important than we used to think. And when someone is cute it doesn't mean that he/she "is better for love than someone more agressive, when someone is nice with people it doesn't mean that he/she "is better for love" than someone who often darn with them. The whole Witcher loveline is trying to show us that behind the unpleasant mask you always can find something warm and significant. Even Geralt by himself always tries to show us that for understand the human - you need to understand his/her soul. It's how he feels that (Witcher's) world.
And now we are close to a concusion that Geralt suddenly has changed. Great :mellow:

 

[Sephira]

Geralt's mother was a Sorceress and he was aware that, by all accounts, she shouldn't have been able to have a child.

Just saying that Sorceresses having children was always very rare.

No I mean, he didn't know that Yen wanted a child so bad at that time.

 

[Willowhugger]

I always thought that under a spell of love you never see the defoult of the other persone... i mean, you love her/his because the spell makes you see Her/his as the perfect people for your life. And, I'm still asking why Sapkowski make this couple such stupid along 20 years.... And why now Yen wants to knows the truth.. I'm still thinking this Djini scene is to force for CDPR for leaving a free highway for Triss' romance.

Obviously, CDPR didn't think that Geralt could have an ADULT CONVERSATION with Yen about Triss (or simply not feeling the same while single).

*eye-roll*

Sigh.

I know, limitations of the medium.

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No I mean, he didn't know that Yen wanted a child so bad at that time.

Well the point is that it would never happen.

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After 20 years of love, joint sufferings and moments of pain and happiness Geralt suddenly has changed and suddenly has fallen in love with the one he always ignored. Oscar for that scenario.

I know it's maybe typical for our real rotten modern world where love has no price at all but master Sapkowski and CDPR tried to show us that Love is something more important than we used to think. And when someone is cute it doesn't mean that he/she "is better for love than someone more agressive, when someone is nice with people it doesn't mean that he/she "is better for love" than someone who often darn with them. The whole Witcher loveline is trying to show us that behind the unpleasant mask you always can find something warm and significant. Even Geralt by himself always tries to show us that for understand the human - you need to understand his/her soul. It's how he feels that (Witcher's) world.
And now we are close to a concusion that Geralt suddenly has changed. Great :mellow:

1. I know exactly about long-term sacrifices. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.

2. Geralt and Yennefer haven't been together consistently for a year in the books let alone twenty.

I'm aware Geralt and Yennefer were in love through thick and thin and terrible events. Which is why their love is strong.

But again, people change. Feelings change.

The irony is I think my Geralt at least feels just as strongly about Yennefer as he did before--just not as a lover.

 

[xxgwxx]

Imho Geralt didn't give a damn about Yen when he thought she was a traitor, and so he even started a relationship with Fringilla. Later he regretted it, as soon as he discovered he was horribly wrong.

He didn't suddenly stop loving her because he thought she was a traitor. If anything, the fact that he loved her so much made everything worse. He sleeps with Fringilla because he wants to forget, because at that point he thinks that he lost everything (even Dandelion says this :"He lost his daughter, a woman he loves...he doesn't even have a razor" - paraphrasing ).

 

[Zyvik]

Imho Geralt didn't give a damn about Yen when he thought she was a traitor, and so he even started a relationship with Fringilla. Later he regretted it, as soon as he discovered he was horribly wrong.

I was SO pissed at Geralt when he thought that Yen was a traitor.He knew this woman for 20 years and still believed that she would betray him like that!?

 

[Sephira]

I always thought that under a spell of love you never see the defoult of the other persone... i mean, you love her/his because the spell makes you see Her/his as the perfect people for your life. And, I'm still asking why Sapkowski make this couple such stupid along 20 years.... And why now Yen wants to knows the truth.. I'm still thinking this Djini scene is to force for CDPR for leaving a free highway for Triss' romance.

I don't think we will ever have answers for this. The more I think about the more I believe that it all goes by this way:

 

[Vargeras]

Thankfully there's many people for which it isn't artificial.

But it is - per definition. Something artificial is something unnatural.
The "natural" Way would be what the author of the books and the creator of the Witcher Universe came up with. Which would be Yen + Geralt. If you choose to be with Yen you are following that path, hence "nothing has changed" which fits the book lore (more or less, as mentioned many times, the entire Last Wish quest has it's flaws).
But if you choose to say that suddenly all your feelings are gone - this is completely out of context, it fits in no way the Last Wish described in the books. It is unnatural -> artificial.

Btw: I am not saying that this is a good or a bad thing, I was just saying that saying No to Yennefer in this very scene is absolutely unfitting and artificial.

 

[xxgwxx]

I was SO pissed at Geralt when he thought that Yen was a traitor.He knew this woman for 20 years and still believed that she would betray him like that!?

And with whom? Freaking Vilgefortz

 

[Willowhugger]

I was SO pissed at Geralt when he thought that Yen was a traitor.He knew this woman for 20 years and still believed that she would betray him like that!?

Eh part of the problem is Geralt knows Yennefer but he knows she's secretive, lies about her feelings, and is frequently up to no good.

Which is WHY he believes it.

And that's stupid of him because he's the SAME WAY.

He hid Ciri from her after all.

 

[Scholdarr.452]

Imho Geralt didn't give a damn about Yen when he thought she was a traitor, and so he even started a relationship with Fringilla. Later he regretted it, as soon as he discovered he was horribly wrong.

We found a bed, Geralt remembered, he rode straight into an alley and with a kick spurred Roach into a gallop. We found the bed in her chambers in the alcove. We made love to each other as if obsessed, eagerly, greedily, as if after years of celibacy and as if celibacy was threatening again.
We talked of many things. We told about ourselves very trivial truths. We told ourselves very beautiful lies. But those lies, even though they were lies, were not meant to be calculated or to deceive.
With a strong kick, he forced Roach into a gallop directly towards a clump of roses covered by snow and forced her to jump.
We made love. And we talked. And our lies were becoming more beautiful and increasingly false.
Two months. From October to Yule.
Two months of furious, greedy, violent love.
Roach’s horseshoes clattered on the palace courtyard of Beauclair.

[...]

“This is bad,” said Philippa. “We expected you to find something. Tell us, has the witcher calmed down, at least? Can you keep him in Toussaint until May?”
Fringilla was silent for a moment. She had not the slightest intention of telling the lodge that during the last two weeks the witcher had called her Yennefer twice – and at times, when she had every right to be called by her own name. However the lodge had a right to expect from her the truth. Sincerity. And some useful findings.
“No,” she said at last. “Probably not until May. But I will do everything in my power to keep him as long as possible.”

Andrzej Sapkowski, The Lady of the Lake

 

[Sephira]

He didn't suddenly stop loving her because he thought she was a traitor. If anything, the fact that he loved her so much made everything worse. He sleeps with Fringilla because he wants to forget, because at that point he thinks that he lost everything

I do think he did, but yeah he loved her so much that he was really disappointed, thus trying to forget the love and everything linked to her.

He lost his daughter, a woman he loves...he doesn't even have a razor" - paraphrasing )

:crybaby:

I was SO pissed at Geralt when he thought that Yen was a traitor.He knew this woman for 20 years and still believed that she would betray him like that!?

He was entering the andropause, maybe.

 

[Innamoramento]

mho Geralt didn't give a damn about Yen when he thought she was a traitor, and so he even started a relationship with Fringilla. Later he regretted it, as soon as he discovered he was horribly wrong.

Well, as I remember he did give a damn. He was angry at her, he did not wanted to talk about her, he even went angry on his companions (Milva, Regis and others) when he was going through it. He was greatly upset by her.
And then there was Tussaint and Fringilla, who controlled his mind (it was clearly stated when she tells the other Lodge members her story with him). He started this romance to forget Yen, because he was angry, sad and lonely, that's why he fells for her, not because she was someone special. The spell broke, when he went too far from Fringilla.

 

[Willowhugger]

But it is - per definition. Something artificial is something unnatural.
The "natural" Way would be what the author of the books and the creator of the Witcher Universe came up with. Which would be Yen + Geralt. If you choose to be with Yen you are following that path, hence "nothing has changed" which fits the book lore (more or less, as mentioned many times, the entire Last Wish quest has it's flaws).
But if you choose to say that suddenly all your feelings are gone - this is completely out of context, it fits in no way the Last Wish described in the books. It is unnatural -> artificial.

Btw: I am not saying that this is a good or a bad thing, I was just saying that saying No to Yennefer in this very scene is absolutely unfitting and artificial.

Yeah, there's AT LEAST two missing conversation options for a hypothetical Enhanced Edition.

1. "I'm with someone else now."

And

2. "I don't feel the same way anymore."

 

[xxgwxx]

Fringilla was silent for a moment. She had not the slightest intention of telling the lodge that during the last two weeks the witcher had called her Yennefer twice – and at times, when she had every right to be called by her own name

Yeah...

 

[Slowdive]

1. I know exactly about long-term sacrifices. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.

2. Geralt and Yennefer haven't been together consistently for a year in the books let alone twenty.

I'm aware Geralt and Yennefer were in love through thick and thin and terrible events. Which is why their love is strong.

But again, people change. Feelings change.

The irony is I think my Geralt at least feels just as strongly about Yennefer as he did before--just not as a lover.

I get you but you know that we'are talking about Geralt, the man with old and solid views on life and love. In the game he really has no motives and reasons to change.
Cause even after massive trauma like amnesia he'd left everything to find Yen.

Geralt is old and mature. How many old and mature people you know who suddenly have changed? :stuart:

 

[wichat]

Obviously, CDPR didn't think that Geralt could have an ADULT CONVERSATION with Yen about Triss (or simply not feeling the same while single).

*eye-roll*

Sigh.

I know, limitations of the medium.

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Well the point is that it would never happen.

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1. I know exactly about long-term sacrifices. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.

2. Geralt and Yennefer haven't been together consistently for a year in the books let alone twenty.

I'm aware Geralt and Yennefer were in love through thick and thin and terrible events. Which is why their love is strong.

But again, people change. Feelings change.

The irony is I think my Geralt at least feels just as strongly about Yennefer as he did before--just not as a lover.

In one moment of my RL relation, we were aparted for several time several times... and all this time we didn't stop loving each other. The moments we were together were just intense, but not like infatuations. We're still in love all this time long... So, yes, living together is not equal to be true in love.

Nodaway, after Sapkowski it was moren than one year. Even if not, Triss's romance was for a night in books and one month in games...

 

[xxgwxx]

In one moment of my RL relation, we were aparted for several time several times... and all this time we didn't stop loving each other. The moments we were together were just intense, but not like infatuations. We're still in love all this time long... So, yes, living together is not equal to be true in love.

Nodaway, after Sapkowski it was moren than one year. Even if not, Triss's romance was for a night in books and one month in games...

Yeah. It doesn't matter that they didn't play 'wife-husband'' for the longest period. The important fact is that FEELINGS lasted for those 20 years.