And i think she arlready started to think about an exit door, she can't risk to shut down all her efforts just for a little effusion of pride.
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And i think she arlready started to think about an exit door, she can't risk to shut down all her efforts just for a little effusion of pride.
Well i got a feeling like they brainwashed her in prision to like them, and after all Emhyr is done to them i expected her to say when you found Ciri don`t bring her to emhyr it`s bad idea not you should report to emperor, if she thinks that bringing crystal to radovid is bad idea why is smart idea to bring Ciri to emhyr
Wrong thread for such a discussion, sorry.
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Wrong thread for such a discussion, sorry.
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Who wanted to rape her, killed her grandmother and friends and doing it again by attacking Skellige, very nice father
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Ok, discussions are doing some circles now, I'll write down my opinions on some topics which was brought here earlier, but I was too lazy/busy to answer, just to bring some other takes here:
Thesis 1: Yen is badly introduced to the game
IMO, amount of information about Yen that is given before Skellige is just fine, even for the most green newcomers. There are no place in the plot for extensive flashbacks or chatting about old good times, and, most importantly, no need for them (BUT it wouldn't hurt to talk more about that later in the game, after the establishing of new wave of relationships, at KM, for example).
Reason is simple. At this point of the story and character presentation writers never shouldn't try to convince the players that 'Character X' is better than 'Character Y' or more reliable, wiser, or whatever. Nope. It would look very artificial, dragged in.
There's a better way to introduce someone. drop him/her in the action immediately, show decisions, show the way of thoughts. I can bring you an example of such kind of writing: "The Last Wish" by Andrzej Sapkowski
So, CDPR postponed the decisions and actions to Skellige, but they did quite good work with her dialogues at the prologue. We see how she is torn between her harmed pride and the happiness to see Geralt again. There are clear hints of what their common history looked like in the past. That's good enough for brief understanding of situation. These scenes maybe not perfect, and I like some lines written by @Scholdarr.452, but I don't think that it needs any major tweaking.
And, I'll kinda repeat the thought, it's perfectly fine if it doesn't convince newcomers to go after Yen with that info in mind. Hell, even not 100% of book readers are fond of Yen, and the short game intro couldn't compete with eight amazingly written books. IMO, there's just enough information to get interested with Yen's personality even if you've known nothing about her. And we know that there are a lot of newcomers that actually walked don this path.
If someone had overlooked one of the most interesting fiction character ever - too bad for them, I guess
Thesis 2: Triss is saint/Disney princess/opposite to Yen's vile image
I know, I know, it's a bit off-topic, but it appeared here a lot as a direct comparison with Yen, so I'll continue here.
My anti-thesis: it's a same kind ofBS cursory glance at a character's depiction in the game as a 'Yen is a heartless bitch!!11', which you guys are mocking for the last 300 pages Actually, Triss have fallen deeper in her inner problems than I've expected.
In 'The Lady of the Lake' it was hinted that events in Rivia have become a turning point for her, that she had defeated her insecurity. But nope, in TW2, and hell a lot more and worse, in TW3 we could see that she's still deeply non-confident in her strength, freaking out in a ways that are not suitable for a powerful sorceress, and desperately looking the reliable shoulder by her side to help drown her fears. But it could be tied with book canon, 'cause that hinted changes in her personality may took many years, it's totally believable
So, newcomers, probably, don't see a big deal in that - it's a plausible reaction to events in Novigrad after all. But it's weird to see that you, fellow team-Yen-mates-which-are-in-majority-readers-with-experience, calling Triss 'Disney princess' with knowledge where these inner demons have led her in the past. I like how she is trying to redeem herself in her own eyes, and I respect her for that. She is trying to be 'saint', but it's a long road.
BTW, Yen is up to the same agenda as Triss: save sorceresses, but at the other scale - and I'm not even sure which one is bigger And it doesn't look like that Yen is doing that only to get more help for protecting Ciri (she would prefer not to call Phillipa for that, for sure). So, no reason to look at Triss' and Yen's actions like at something completely opposite.
P.S. by 'newcomers' I mostly mean people who didn't read the books and didn't play first two games, so they are completely unaware of backgrounds.
P.P.S.: I'm hoping that there are not too much grammatical mistakes in the text
Thesis 1: Yen is badly introduced to the game
IMO, amount of information about Yen that is given before Skellige is just fine, even for the most green newcomers. There are no place in the plot for extensive flashbacks or chatting about old good times, and, most importantly, no need for them (BUT it wouldn't hurt to talk more about that later in the game, after the establishing of new wave of relationships, at KM, for example).
Reason is simple. At this point of the story and character presentation writers never shouldn't try to convince the players that 'Character X' is better than 'Character Y' or more reliable, wiser, or whatever. Nope. It would look very artificial, dragged in.
There's a better way to introduce someone. drop him/her in the action immediately, show decisions, show the way of thoughts. I can bring you an example of such kind of writing: "The Last Wish" by Andrzej Sapkowski
So, CDPR postponed the decisions and actions to Skellige, but they did quite good work with her dialogues at the prologue. We see how she is torn between her harmed pride and the happiness to see Geralt again. There are clear hints of what their common history looked like in the past. That's good enough for brief understanding of situation. These scenes maybe not perfect, and I like some lines written by @Scholdarr.452, but I don't think that it needs any major tweaking.
And, I'll kinda repeat the thought, it's perfectly fine if it doesn't convince newcomers to go after Yen with that info in mind. Hell, even not 100% of book readers are fond of Yen, and the short game intro couldn't compete with eight amazingly written books. IMO, there's just enough information to get interested with Yen's personality even if you've known nothing about her. And we know that there are a lot of newcomers that actually walked don this path.
If someone had overlooked one of the most interesting fiction character ever - too bad for them, I guess
Thesis 2: Triss is saint/Disney princess/opposite to Yen's vile image
I know, I know, it's a bit off-topic, but it appeared here a lot as a direct comparison with Yen, so I'll continue here.
My anti-thesis: it's a same kind of
Actually, Triss have fallen deeper in her inner problems than I've expected. In 'The Lady of the Lake' it was hinted that events in Rivia have become a turning point for her, that she had defeated her insecurity. But nope, in TW2, and hell a lot more and worse, in TW3 we could see that she's still deeply non-confident in her strength, freaking out in a ways that are not suitable for a powerful sorceress, and desperately looking the reliable shoulder by her side to help drown her fears. But it could be tied with book canon, 'cause that hinted changes in her personality may took many years, it's totally believable
So, newcomers, probably, don't see a big deal in that - it's a plausible reaction to events in Novigrad after all. But it's weird to see that you, fellow team-Yen-mates-which-are-in-majority-readers-with-experience, calling Triss 'Disney princess' with knowledge where these inner demons have led her in the past. I like how she is trying to redeem herself in her own eyes, and I respect her for that. She is trying to be 'saint', but it's a long road.
BTW, Yen is up to the same agenda as Triss: save sorceresses, but at the other scale - and I'm not even sure which one is bigger
And it doesn't look like that Yen is doing that only to get more help for protecting Ciri (she would prefer not to call Phillipa for that, for sure). So, no reason to look at Triss' and Yen's actions like at something completely opposite.There's a certain moment in TW3 that I ashamed of the most in my playthroughs: if you let Triss been tortured by Menge's henchmen, there'll be a dialogue with her about how much she terrified to get in their arms again. I've almost seen in her eyes that horror which Yen had seen in them at Sodden and Rivia
P.S. by 'newcomers' I mostly mean people who didn't read the books and didn't play first two games, so they are completely unaware of backgrounds.
P.P.S.: I'm hoping that there are not too much grammatical mistakes in the text
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Some people today are: "I like bookYen but dislike gameYen". Come on.
Nobody "killed" true Yen. She was nerfed but It doesn't make her wrong and awful.
Who was ready to get the finest/the hardest truth of all her life? Yennefer.
Who saved Avallac'h who helped Geralt and co. to win against WH? Yennefer.
Who was ready to forgive the enemies (and friend) who did hurt her so bad in the past? Yennefer.
Who was with Geralt till the end (even if he was mindcontrolled by #TT)? Yennefer.
Enough to be proud of her. If some people only can see "ИECЯOMAИCY" - it's their problem.
+1 and what a nice screenshot
How could anyone even say she is only interested in power? She might as well be one of the least power-hungry sorcerers in the lore - I am talking the worldly, reigning power people like Philipa or Vilgefortz strive for here.
The things Yen is shown to really care about - obtaining magical power to heal her inferitility and later solely Geralt and Ciri. Nothing less, nothing more.
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I agree, solid words but there's something:
Game Triss is not a Disney Princess
Game Triss = Book Triss + Disney Princess
She's got a huge mental damage after Sodden but only some people (not even everyone who read the books) can completely understand it.
In game we really have nothing about her past - we only can look at nice girl who sometimes just acts weird but nothing more.
And there're sub-reasons why I totally can not see Geralt together with Triss.
1. He doesn't know her. (Player/reader really knows nothing about what's in Triss's head)
2. He never was completely HER. (it's a huuuge diffirence, with my own life and experience I can say that woman before "HeIsMIne" and after "HeIsMine" could be are 2 diffirent women)
3. Mental trauma at war. The main problem. It's sad to say..it's really hard to fix but it's not the worse...the worse fact is...mental war trauma often shows itself in peaceful everyday life (reference to "happy life" in Kovir). And as we can know Triss's trauma is huge, it pursuits her every danger moment of her life. And after another problem with the Lodge and persecution/execution of sorcerrers it could delve deeper.
It's imo but I see it only because I've read all the books and have played all the games.
What people without the books/first games experience can see? "Vile bitch" and "Cute princess" in the opposition. That's why we have a "disney princess" effect here.
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it was about time!
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Don't worry I'm here now and the gif too
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