Yennefer of Vengerberg (all spoilers)

[Willowhugger]

Ah, which is funnier.

Still the second panel is very sweet.

 

[xxgwxx]

I dont think it is anti-Yen.
Seems like it is celebrating that the player can finally jump and move easily in the world.
In W1 and W2 movement was more limited and you could not jump from a window. Hence the "I waited two games to do this". Else it would be "I waited 8 books to do this "

That's exactly the point of this comic It has nothing to do with Yennefer. Still, it's pretty funny ^^

 

[latios507]

Moar Yennefer pliz
Come on.. I'm still waiting for that patch where I can see yen in a hut ffs

 

[xxgwxx]

Aka Kevin Costner and Natalie Dormer.
By Bathorygen

 

[Gilthoniel]

^haha funny pic - anyway I guess this is the actual scene from the book, right?

I guess it is this one:

Yes, he said in his thoughts, yes, you are correct. There's only her, her at my side, here and now, and this is all that matters. Here and now. And where she was before, with whom she was, doesn't matter in the slightest. Now, she is with me, here, among you. With me and no one else. That's what I'm thinking about; thinking about her, all the time, feeling the scent of her perfume and the warmth of her body. And you can choke on the envy.

The sorceress clasped at his arm and pressed herself to his side.


‘I appreciate that,’ she murmured, leading him back to the tables. ‘But avoid excessive ostentation, please.’


‘Do you wizards always take sincerity for ostentation? Is it because you doubt sincerity even when you see it in somebody's thoughts?’


‘Yes, it is.’


‘And yet, you appreciate it?’


‘Because I don't doubt you.’ she clasped his arm even harder, then reached for a plate. ‘Put some salmon on it for me, witcher. And some crabs.’ These crabs are from Poviss. They were probably fished out a month ago and days are blistering hot. Aren't you afraid...’‘These crabs,’ she cut in, ‘have been crawling at bottom of the sea this morning.


Teleportation is a wonderful invention.’


‘Indeed.’ He agreed. ‘Worth making available for the public, don't you think?’


‘We're working on it. Make haste, I'm hungry.’


‘I love you, Yen.’


‘I asked you to spare me the ostentation...’ she stopped suddenly, jerked her head up, pulled her dark locks from her face and opened her violet eyes widely. ‘Geralt! This is the first time you've said it!’ ‘Impossible. You're fooling with me.’


‘I'm not. Up until now you've only ever said in in your thoughts, never aloud.’


‘Does it make any difference?’


‘A huge one.’


‘Yen...’


‘Don' speak with full mouth. I love you too. See what I meant? Gods, you're about to choke to death! Raise your arms, I'll pat your back. Take a deep breath.’


‘Yen...’


‘Breathe, breathe, it will pass.’


‘Yen!’


‘Yes. My sincerity for yours.’


‘Do you feel well?’


‘I've been waiting for this.’ She squeezed out lemon juice onto the salmon. ‘It wouldn't be proper to react to confessions made in thoughts. I've heard the words, I could respond to them and I did. I feel very well.’

 

[xxgwxx]

^haha funny pic - anyway I guess this is the actual scene from the book, right?

I guess it is this one:

Haha their interactions are so hilarious sometimes

 

[Sakai88]

Aka Kevin Costner and Natalie Dormer.
By Bathorygen

Somehow this scene doesn't feel complete without a few half naked sorceresses gossiping about how and on what they would fuck Geralt. :lol:

 

[Zeroscape]

That entire bit about the Thanedd ball is amazing. Geralt's interactions with the other sorceresses there are really funny. It's also one of the few times where we see Yen and Geralt together in a positive mood and it's fun to see how that plays out without their usual emotional issues causing problems.

 

[Charcharo]

Those were some of my favourite parts of the book

 

[ajiehb]

Guys, don't you find it's strange that at Kaer Morhen quest with Uma Geralt act like Yennefer is a member of Lodge and she didn't correct him. I was expecting somethign like I never was a part of this shit! 0_o Do you think that in this game she is a member of the Lodge? Cos later she ask Geralt help her to free other members of the Lodge. In books she was accuse as traitor to Lodge and was expecting her punishment. But in Wild Hunt it seems like she is a part of the Lodge.

 

[Gilthoniel]

Guys, don't you find it's strange that at Kaer Morhen quest with Uma Geralt act like Yennefer is a member of Lodge and she didn't correct him. I was expecting somethign like I never was a part of this shit! 0_o Do you think that in this game she is a member of the Lodge? Cos later she ask Geralt help her to free other members of the Lodge. In books she was accuse as traitor to Lodge and was expecting her punishment. But in Wild Hunt it seems like she is a part of the Lodge.

This is a part when you have an option to give Phillipa's crystal to Yen. They are talking about the Lodge there...Yennefer confirmes she isn't the member.

 

[Abjatha]

I never had option to give megascope crystal to Yennefer even though I met all requirements mentioned in Prima guide. Tried to talk to her after Final Wish quest in Skellige Inn and afterwards in Kaer Morhen, before going to Isle of Mists but there were only options about main storyline and Wild Hunt. Only thing I could think that caused this issue was doing Triss quests before going into Philippa's hideout. Did anyone else ran into such issues?

 

[keldrath]

Guys, don't you find it's strange that at Kaer Morhen quest with Uma Geralt act like Yennefer is a member of Lodge and she didn't correct him. I was expecting somethign like I never was a part of this shit! 0_o Do you think that in this game she is a member of the Lodge? Cos later she ask Geralt help her to free other members of the Lodge. In books she was accuse as traitor to Lodge and was expecting her punishment. But in Wild Hunt it seems like she is a part of the Lodge.

She never was a member, but the games flip flop back and forth on that fact, there's several scenes where it's basically, if not outright saying, she is/was a member, then several scenes where it explicitly denies she was a member, from both her, and also with Philippa stating herself that Yennefer never belonged to the lodge.

It's a disconnect that disturbs me.

 

[Willowhugger]

So, what do you think Yen's reaction would be to each ending?

 

[luc0s]

I'm going to make a confession, @lucos.

I think I may be bringing a lot of my preconceptions to the Witcher ending. Part of the issue I've been having on both these forums and my playthrough is that I can tell the game is intending me to go down a specific path but it's not the path I want to go down. It's the concept of "railroading" and it's something which has existed in both tabletop and video games since time began. Normally, I'm not necessarily against railroading as plenty of games are like a rollercoaster, you get on them for the ride but you're not DRIVING. This has changed with the increasing advancement in choices and technology.

In the case of the Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, I can tell the game had some very specific ideas about where Geralt should go. He should end up with Yennefer of Vengerberg, he should kill Radovid then save Roche, and he should make Ciri a Witcher. Three is very questionable, though, because a lot of gamers seem to feel the game is railroading you into the other direction, though, which actually fits to my point. Part of the issue is that the game lets you step right instead of left but stepping right instead of left kind of leaves the game a little less balanced.

We've seen the ridiculous number of Triss posts for example on the subject, which is getting to the point of silliness (I say that as a Triss fan) given it also involves putting down Yennefer for just happening to be the one whom the writers have favored. The problem is that if you veer right instead of left, your relationship with both Yennefer and Triss kind of hits a brick wall. I wanted to continue developing Geralt's post-romance relationship with Yennefer and the fact it "ends" with the infamous Lake Teleportation scene really bothered me. There was a lot more which needed to be said, like, "WHERE THE HELL IS YENNEFER IF CIRI IS A WITCHER?" I mean, shouldn't she have something to say in all this?

She is Ciri's mom.

It also plays into my personal desire to see Nilfgaard delivered a bloody black guy or, if not Nilfgaard then Emhyr. I despise the character due to his actions in the books and don't believe my Geralt (or the book Geralt) would have anything but overwhelming hatred for the man who berayed his and Calanthe's and Ciri's trust so many times. The problem is the game clearly has a very set idea about what your relationship should be with Emhyr. As a result, if you choose to always come down very hard on him, then the game seems kind of confused. I'm glad the choices EXIST but they confuse the narrative.

That's interesting, because I definitely felt the game tries to railroad you into a specific direction but not the direction you're saying.

Basically, it feels like some decisions in the game are more "canon" than others, if you get what I mean. To me it feels like the canon playthrough is Geralt romancing Yennefer, ensuring Nilfgaard's victory and putting Ciri on the throne. It's the most difficult ending to get (still not really difficult though) but also the most complete ending and the ending that CDPR clearly has put the most effort into.

I'm not saying that any other choices or any other ending is less valid or less canon, but it kinda feels like CDPR wants you to get the ending I just described. It basically feels like that ending is the ending the devs themselves see as the "ideal" or "perfect" ending.

 

[Willowhugger]

That's interesting, because I definitely felt the game tries to railroad you into a specific direction but not the direction you're saying.

Basically, it feels like some decisions in the game are more "canon" than others, if you get what I mean. To me it feels like the canon playthrough is Geralt romancing Yennefer, ensuring Nilfgaard's victory and putting Ciri on the throne. It's the most difficult ending to get (still not really difficult though) but also the most complete ending and the ending that CDPR clearly has put the most effort into.

I'm not saying that any other choices or any other ending is less valid or less canon, but it kinda feels like CDPR wants you to get the ending I just described. It basically feels like that ending is the ending the devs themselves see as the "ideal" or "perfect" ending.

Yeah, I couldn't help but feel the opposite on the Empress ending because I felt the game beat me over the head with the fact Ciri didn't want to be anything but a Witcheress. So, it's interesting we came to those separate but opposite conclusions. The fact the developers portrayed the Empress ending as bittersweet and something which clearly no one is happy about also lends me to think the Witcheress ending was the one they expected for the players to get.

Of course, if they DID intend for people to get the Empress ending, it's kind of a situation where they underestimated fan reaction.

Then again, I don't know how much that is motivated by a desire for a Ciri-led game.

 

[luc0s]

Yeah, I couldn't help but feel the opposite on the Empress ending because I felt the game beat me over the head with the fact Ciri didn't want to be anything but a Witcheress. So, it's interesting we came to those separate but opposite conclusions. The fact the developers portrayed the Empress ending as bittersweet and something which clearly no one is happy about also lends me to think the Witcheress ending was the one they expected for the players to get.

Of course, if they DID intend for people to get the Empress ending, it's kind of a situation where they underestimated fan reaction.

Then again, I don't know how much that is motivated by a desire for a Ciri-led game.

I don't feel the empress ending is bittersweet and I also disagree that nobody is happy in that ending. Sure, Ciri cries when she says goodbye to Geralt, but if you choose the right dialogue options Geralt sounds really optimistic and supportive of her decision and ensures her that they'll surely see each other again, which cheers Ciri up a bit.

Also if Ciri really didn't wanna become empress she wouldn't have made that decision. It's not like she's FORCED to become empress in that specific ending. She could still have chosen to become a witcher if she wanted, but she didn't. She chose to become empress.

Another reason why I think the empress ending is the "perfect" ending is because it's the most difficult ending to get. It has the most requirements.

Basically the easiest ending to get is the Geralt Suicide ending (though arguably the Witcher Ciri ending is easier to get if you have more than 2 braincells). It has the least amount of requirements. All you have to do is fuck up on the majority of the "Ciri decisions" to get it.

Then following up on that is the Witcher Ciri ending, which only has the requirement that you get at least 2 of the "Ciri decisions" right.

The Empress Ciri ending has the most requirements. It requires you to get 3 "Ciri decisions" right, you have to kill Radovid, side with Roche and make sure Ciri meets Emhyr.

But you're right on one thing: Most players probably get the Witcher Ciri ending, because most players are smart enough to get at least 2 "Ciri decisions" right but a lot of players won't get the other 3 conditions for the Empress Ciri ending right. Some players won't kill Radovid, and from the players who do kill him a lot of them might side with Dijkstra and/or skip the meeting with Emhyr.

 

[Willowhugger]

Eh, to each their own.

I think the game was indicating bringing Emhyr Ciri was a bad decision but that was because I kept hitting the "Distrustworthy" buttons and the game backed me up.

I think it's one of the few cases where they clearly prepared all possible avenues well.

Which is unique in this game.

 

[Vargeras]

Also if Ciri really didn't wanna become empress she wouldn't have made that decision. It's not like she's FORCED to become empress in that specific ending. She could still have chosen to become a witcher if she wanted, but she didn't. She chose to become empress.

this is something many ppl mention, but I disagree.
I think she IS forced to make that choice - not by others, but by herself. She wants to stop running away, she wants to end that, and in the empress ending she thinks that becoming the empress is the only way to do so, which indicates, that she didn't really had a choice.

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So, what do you think Yen's reaction would be to each ending?

"bad" ending: considering that Geralt and Ciri are "dead", Yen will either commit suicide or return to her life before she met geralt - with some extra layers over her emotions.
empress ending: Personally I think this ending fits best if Geralt is with Triss, this way Yen stays at Ciris side as her adivsor. Yen would also be in her element, probably joining/leading the lodge, though I'm not sure about that. Book-wise it doesn't make sense but Game-wise Yen seems to care quite a bit about the lodge.
witcheress ending: again personally fits best imho when Geralt is with Yen and I actually think she would like that ending the most, though I'm not sure how long that would last.

 

[keldrath]

Another reason why I think the empress ending is the "perfect" ending is because it's the most difficult ending to get. It has the most requirements.
.

I didn't think it was difficult, in fact I thought I was doing everything right, then I ended up getting it on my first playthrough completely by accident, and I didn't like it beyond the fact that I got to see Yen and chat with Dandelion and Zoltan in the epilogue and Winter White Orchard was nice and the people talked to me as if I was a good friend.

It all hinged on a single decision I made, which was taking Ciri to see Emhyr. I didn't see the harm in at least going just to hear him out, I figured she wouldn't like what he had to say anyways, but at least they would have had that chat and gotten some closure, but that's what tipped the scales and set me onto that ending, which like I said, I'm not happy with ad don't consider the perfect ending in my eyes. If I hadn't taken her to see him I would have gotten the Witcher ending and along with everything else I did, would have been the perfect ending to the story for me.

It's actually a pretty easy ending to get, all you gotta do is take her to see Emhyr and have Nilfgaard win the war, on top of not making too many "bad dad" decisions in the integral moments with Ciri.