Yennefer of Vengerberg (all spoilers)

[Zyvik]

this thread is all about **** around Triss fans

Yeah right.We totally spent 594 pages of this thread saying how much we hate Triss and her fans.NOBODY in this thread hates either,and most of us are pretty supportive of them.

 

[Ljesnjanin]

Yeah right.We totally spent 594 pages of this thread saying how much we hate Triss and her fans.NOBODY in this thread hates either,and most of us are pretty supportive of them.

Yes...

I even voted for more Triss in previous topic...

Meh, whatever...

 

[wright1978]

Yes...

I even voted for more Triss in previous topic...

Meh, whatever...

That's appreciated and please just ignore said individual(certainly doesn't reflect my view or I doubt many other Triss fans)

 

[Gilthoniel]

Originally Posted by Estaim
this thread is all about **** around Triss fans

Hmm how wrong is that statement? How is that that we spent so many comments and hugs gifs thanking our dear Triss fans, which don't typicaly hating on Yen and posting here very cool screenshots, gifs and meaningful and sometimes funny comments. I like these guys very much even though they see Triss as true love - it doesn't matter - we are all friends.

 

[Ljesnjanin]

That's appreciated and please just ignore said individual(certainly doesn't reflect my view or I doubt many other Triss fans)

It's OK...

I just don't remember that I ever insulted anybody on this forums...And I am here since 2008...

 

[Sephira]

I quoted a precise comment and this thread seems just a "Triss vs Yen" thread sometimes. Isn't it supposed to be a thread dedicated to Yen?

It is a thread dedicated to Yen. But you know Yen deals with other characters through books and games. That's why we talk about other characters here too. And no it's not a Triss vs Yen. An user can talk about both making a constructive opinion, pros and cons, being fond of one or another, or both. Sure there are people who likes Yen, or Triss, or both.

Some pages are worse than a PS4 vs Xbox thread. Seriously, I can understand the strong emphaty someone could have for Yen or for Triss but this thread is all about **** around Triss fans, talking like they have the truth in hand about what choices are right and what are wrong, etc...let me point that as far as I know their opinion doens't count more than the authors (RED for games and Sapkowski for books) one. Istead people wanted thier idea to be the right one.

Wut. Are you seriously reading the thread? Because there are some Triss fans here, it's not that we apply necromancy on them.
Again, serious issues and doubts were already cleared thanks to a dev reply. You probably missed it. People here don't want to force anything on anyone. Now, just stating that "imho this could be handled better", "in the game I'd have liked...", this is why they express their opinion, it's not a universal truth of course. And why all these opinions? Easy peasy: it's the last game with Geralt and co.

Opinion which is not meant to kill anyone who thinks differently. And... I want to be precise: we never, no way, we don't shitpost on the books (a.k.a. distorting the lore to support an invalid opinion). That would be... insulting.

but this thread is all about **** around Triss fans

(check previous posts)

If RED said that Yen and Geralt have a toxic relationship is RED mistake, yeah, because you have the right to say what is wrong and what is right since the author is you. That is what I can't stand, not the critiques, but the arrogance of knowing better than the authors characters and intentions. That's why my unpolite "deal with it", sometimes things are not like we wanted to be.

A lot of people deal with it for real because despite the game's flaws (subjective as, you know, opinions), they enjoyed the game, and that's why you may notice they are pretty attached.

[SUB]OT: I however, don't deal with it the moment you talk about Eredin characterization or the Wild Hunt. Lot of reasons.[/SUB]

Ahem, that fuss was about "toxic" as a word wrongly translated. But if it was like you understood... People in the game almost tell you that Yen is a wrong choice. A gamer who choose Yen could be free of complaining about this? Lol, some pages ago we pointed out how BookGeralt doesn't give a flying bird about this, he doesn't in the games too.

Peace, this is not a thread full of garden destroyer or necromancers, or evil witches.

Cheers. :cheers2:

 

[Avin]

In fact, I like Triss in W3 more than in the second game. I dislike her only in the first Witcher, where I went Shani's way.

She changed a lot in game.

I see no point in Triss vs Yen wars... Triss romance should be fixed, but Yennefer interaction need some fixing too.

 

[Ljesnjanin]

Eredin

#TeamEredin

Eredin4lyfe

Spoiler

:wub:

I want him!

 

[Avin]

In fact I want to know if Triss fans share the opinion she has changed a lot since the first game or it's Just me, I should go to Triss topic and ask

 

[Sephira]

#TeamEredin

Eredin4lyfe

Spoiler

:wub:

I want him!

- "Eredin... after all this W3?"
- "Always."

:heart:

Screw Yen, Eredin is my love. He just went on vacation during W3 events, I forgive him.

 

[Gilthoniel]

I'm reading interesting comment from http://oflilacandberries.tumblr.com/

send me a misconception you think people have about my character and I’ll explain if it’s true or not.

Misconception (?): Yen is a cold bitch, she only uses Geralt.

artwork by by KainTheVampireLord:

Basically the root of the opinion that Yennefer is a bitch, or a terrible person, or a bad character, or a bad love interest basically comes from her relationship with Geralt? Which is pretty stupid, because their relationship basically disproves this.


It’s obvious to everyone that Yennefer is not as openly nice to Geralt as people like Triss and even Keira are. (Then again, it can be argued that Triss isn’t so nice to Geralt as she appears to be, or at least, she shouldn’t be that nice, if you’re one of those people that prefers book canon over game canon.) But, on that same thread, Geralt generally isn’t a nice person either—in a broad sense he’s cynical, biting, sarcastic, judgmental and often childish; more specific to Yennefer, he fights with her, trades barbs, mocks her and insults her, too, in a similar fashion that she does to him. And that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Here you have two world-weary people, both around a century old, who’ve dealt with being lied to, abused (definitely in Yennefer’s case and probably in Geralt’s case, if not less extensively for him) betrayed and all other sorts of terrible things that have affected them, deeply. Of course a relationship between two people like that isn’t going to be sunshine and rainbows and cupcakes, cutesy pet names and constantly fawning over each other. Real life isn’t like that, and I applaud Sapkowski for not being afraid to explore realistic relationships in an otherwise unrealistic setting. Fighting doesn’t mean you don’t love someone; it means you’re not afraid to be real with them, to be yourself, even if it means you clash, and if you can come back together after that, the two of you are that much stronger for it, both as an item and as individuals. Sapkowski himself stated that Yen wasn’t meant to be the standard fantasy girl, the reward for the hero that will just silently fawn and faint into his arms—she’s going to fight him, she’s going to be three-dimensional, she’s going to have realistic emotions and she’s not going to be the doting and utterly devoted RPG girlfriend, the secondary character, all the time. After seeing what Yen could be like when they first met in Rinde, Geralt was well aware of what he was getting himself into by entering a relationship with her.


It also doesn’t help that people have a wonderful double standard wherein behavior like Yen’s probably would’ve been excused if she was a guy (”he just has trouble showing emotions because of his damaging past, he really does love her”) and that her past would’ve been brought up more if she were a guy (where are all the people talking about that?) She used to be a little girl named Jenny. She came from parents who abused and shunned her because she was afflicted with a physical deformity (being a hunchback and all.) She’d tried to take her own life. She was taught that sorceresses are seen as weak if they cry, or show emotion, or display affection, or allow themselves to fall in love—that she had to choose between being a sorceress or being a mother. The people who were supposed to love her and nurture her didn’t, and naturally it had repercussions on her adult life and her adult relationships. It doesn’t mean she doesn’t love Geralt – she has feelings and acknowledges them, she knows she can’t just walk away from him like she wants to sometimes because she does love him – it just means she shows them in unconventional ways and Geralt recognizes this. He returns them in these unconventional ways, meaning that sometimes they bicker and fight and tease and prod each other. Sometimes they do separate. And I love how, in TW3, Yen is weirded out if Geralt treats their relationship like a standard RPG relationship, or like a relationship with Triss, because the bond between them isn’t like that. It’s complex, and involves more gray areas than black or white ones.


A little while back on my Geralt blog I was talking to anons about people hating on Yen for the same misconception above, and it’s still true that Yen can be a secretive woman, but aside from one ormaybe two scenarios off the top of my head, she never really drags Geralt into anything. He has a choice, he knows it, and he makes those choices consciously. Hell, he’s the one who made the fucking choice to be with her in the first place because he recognized that what he saw on the outside wasn’t her, that she was more than how she wanted people to perceive her. Geralt can’t read the books. He doesn’t have access to everything fans of the series do and even he could see that obviously Yen isn’t the facade she wears to protect herself, to be the type of sorceress and the type of woman she was raised and taught to be.

 

[Ljesnjanin]

- "Eredin... after all this W3?"
- "Always."

:heart:

Screw Yen, Eredin is my love. He just went on vacation during W3 events, I forgive him.

@KingHochmeister is correct:

"Sorceresses are treacherous sluts. Eredin is perfect waifu."

 

[TreesAreCanon]

We need some character-focused bits where we control Ciri and can actually go talk to major characters. In Kaer Morhen before the battle Geralt is busy with preparations, so they should give the player control of Ciri and let her go talk to Vesemir and the others. Then in Novigrad do something similar while Geralt is busy wandering between worlds or something. Give the player control of Ciri, restrict her movements to the city limits so she can't wander off to Velen or something silly like that, and let her go talk to people.

You know what I would appreciate with all my heart?

Imagine "wait until sunrise you ploughing whoreson help Ciri with her business in Novigrad" quest being played from Ciri's perspective, but filled with dialogues and cutscenes.

Imagine the opportunities. Why is only Geralt with her? So that he can help her steal some horses and have a good laugh about it which results in Ciri being less suicidal?

Hell no. Play it from Ciri's POV. Bring Geralt, Triss and Yennefer. Bring your family.

- If you romanced Triss, Geralt goes hand in hand with her, a hug here and a kiss there, Ciri and Yennefer go together right next to them, holding their hands as well. Or they could just all hold their fucking shouders, hell do I know. Dialogues. Many dialogues. Triss and Ciri get their sister time, exchanging a few sisterly words here and there, just jesting around and being very happy together. Ciri and Yen get a lot of mother-daughter time, Yen calling her a little ugly one, Ciri being seemingly angry about it at first, just about to open her mouth and say something, but then she just bursts into laughter and tears as she hugs Yen and says "I love you mother". Triss still feels insecure about her friendship with Yennefer, especially being in a relationship with Geralt, so she goes ahead and talks about it with everyone at first and then with each one of them individually later. Geralt looking lost and stupid as usual in these situations, not knowing what to do or say. She could say something about being sorry for taking an advantage of Geralts silly amnesia etc. Ciri looking sad at first, painfully realizing her mother and father aren't together anymore, but then she just kinda twists her shoulders and smiles about it being all like "don't worry about it sis, I understand". Yennefer looking very angry and cold at first, about to burst into another shitstorm of hers but then she calms down, takes a very deep breath and says some sincere words about friendship and understanding, I don't know, she can say something like "Well, we're all adults after all Triss, and therefore I accept Geralts decision and still consider you a friend. Take a good care of my man, I know he will be happy with you, you will both be happy" - pause, she takes a defeated look at Geralt, eyes full of love and desire, shakes her head to get rid of visions from all these past years in front of her eyes, sighs, looks at Triss and finishes her sentence - "and you both very much deserve it." Triss looking relieved since she was afraid of her reaction. Ciri being left out and sad, then they all cheer her up as they leave together to see some random fucking guy who helped her god knows when.

- If you romanced Yennefer it's similar, Triss and Ciri get a lot of sister time, talking about... uh... things that sisters usually talk about, right? Yen and Geralt just can't get enough of each other, Geralt failing to behave himself as usual, lustfully kissing Yennefer until Ciri can't take it anymore and goes like "oh come on, you two look awfully ridiculous"
(just like in the books when she saw them both naked). Triss feeling insecure afterwards, not being sure if her presence is wanted, to which Yen holds her shoulders, maybe even forehead to forehead, looks her deep in the eyes and without any sense of pride she tells her "You will always be a part of this family, no matter what Triss. Remember that as I shall never forget what you did for Ciri". Yennefer of course spends the same amount of time with Ciri, calling her names and all, enjoying their usual mother-daughter chat. Geralt is with them just laughing, shooting some dad jokes here and there. Triss isn't left out of it at all, her confidence grows stronger as she realizes she is with her family and has no bad blood with Yen at all. They joke and laugh together, leaving to see some random fucking guy who helped Ciri god knows when.

You understand my idea guys? I just want our heroes to get some closure and spend some quality family time, everyone finally finding understanding with each other. It doesn't matter why did who fuck who and when but that they're all one big happy family and Ciri isn't suicidal since she's happy, very happy. She's happy with Triss, Geralt and Yennefer. Family.

Happy beautiful ugly one.

I shall edit this in the morning and fix grammar and possibly format it.

How would #TeamTriss feel about Yen giving Geralt a bit longer hug than comfortable, then kissing him on his cheek and quickly turning away as she is wiping a tear from her eye? This happens after Yen tells Triss to take a good care of her man if Geralt romanced Triss.

I wouldn't mind Ciri noticing her tears either and being genuinely shocked about it, realizing how deeply Yennefer loves Geralt, as nothing is more pathetic than a sorceress in tears. I just wanted to write this in the end because I like my head where it is - on my shoulders.

 

[Sephira]

I'm reading interesting comment from http://oflilacandberries.tumblr.com/

Spoiler

send me a misconception you think people have about my character and I’ll explain if it’s true or not.



artwork by by KainTheVampireLord:

Basically the root of the opinion that Yennefer is a bitch, or a terrible person, or a bad character, or a bad love interest basically comes from her relationship with Geralt? Which is pretty stupid, because their relationship basically disproves this.


It’s obvious to everyone that Yennefer is not as openly nice to Geralt as people like Triss and even Keira are. (Then again, it can be argued that Triss isn’t so nice to Geralt as she appears to be, or at least, she shouldn’t be that nice, if you’re one of those people that prefers book canon over game canon.) But, on that same thread, Geralt generally isn’t a nice person either—in a broad sense he’s cynical, biting, sarcastic, judgmental and often childish; more specific to Yennefer, he fights with her, trades barbs, mocks her and insults her, too, in a similar fashion that she does to him. And that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Here you have two world-weary people, both around a century old, who’ve dealt with being lied to, abused (definitely in Yennefer’s case and probably in Geralt’s case, if not less extensively for him) betrayed and all other sorts of terrible things that have affected them, deeply. Of course a relationship between two people like that isn’t going to be sunshine and rainbows and cupcakes, cutesy pet names and constantly fawning over each other. Real life isn’t like that, and I applaud Sapkowski for not being afraid to explore realistic relationships in an otherwise unrealistic setting. Fighting doesn’t mean you don’t love someone; it means you’re not afraid to be real with them, to be yourself, even if it means you clash, and if you can come back together after that, the two of you are that much stronger for it, both as an item and as individuals. Sapkowski himself stated that Yen wasn’t meant to be the standard fantasy girl, the reward for the hero that will just silently fawn and faint into his arms—she’s going to fight him, she’s going to be three-dimensional, she’s going to have realistic emotions and she’s not going to be the doting and utterly devoted RPG girlfriend, the secondary character, all the time. After seeing what Yen could be like when they first met in Rinde, Geralt was well aware of what he was getting himself into by entering a relationship with her.


It also doesn’t help that people have a wonderful double standard wherein behavior like Yen’s probably would’ve been excused if she was a guy (”he just has trouble showing emotions because of his damaging past, he really does love her”) and that her past would’ve been brought up more if she were a guy (where are all the people talking about that?) She used to be a little girl named Jenny. She came from parents who abused and shunned her because she was afflicted with a physical deformity (being a hunchback and all.) She’d tried to take her own life. She was taught that sorceresses are seen as weak if they cry, or show emotion, or display affection, or allow themselves to fall in love—that she had to choose between being a sorceress or being a mother. The people who were supposed to love her and nurture her didn’t, and naturally it had repercussions on her adult life and her adult relationships. It doesn’t mean she doesn’t love Geralt – she has feelings and acknowledges them, she knows she can’t just walk away from him like she wants to sometimes because she does love him – it just means she shows them in unconventional ways and Geralt recognizes this. He returns them in these unconventional ways, meaning that sometimes they bicker and fight and tease and prod each other. Sometimes they do separate. And I love how, in TW3, Yen is weirded out if Geralt treats their relationship like a standard RPG relationship, or like a relationship with Triss, because the bond between them isn’t like that. It’s complex, and involves more gray areas than black or white ones.


A little while back on my Geralt blog I was talking to anons about people hating on Yen for the same misconception above, and it’s still true that Yen can be a secretive woman, but aside from one ormaybe two scenarios off the top of my head, she never really drags Geralt into anything. He has a choice, he knows it, and he makes those choices consciously. Hell, he’s the one who made the fucking choice to be with her in the first place because he recognized that what he saw on the outside wasn’t her, that she was more than how she wanted people to perceive her. Geralt can’t read the books. He doesn’t have access to everything fans of the series do and even he could see that obviously Yen isn’t the facade she wears to protect herself, to be the type of sorceress and the type of woman she was raised and taught to be.

This. is. perfect. Just waiting for @Kallelinski to see it. I'm following the blog right now.

It also doesn’t help that people have a wonderful double standard wherein behavior like Yen’s probably would’ve been excused if she was a guy (”he just has trouble showing emotions because of his damaging past, he really does love her”) and that her past would’ve been brought up more if she were a guy

My my, how true. I thought that too.

 

[whitefang131]

Agreed completely, that would be a great scene to have, a real family-like moment, and not just one with Triss or Yen, but with both.

Bloody good idea @Wasaabii28 definitely something CDPR should include at some point, whether in a patch, DLC, or Enhanced Edition.

I understand that Geralt and Ciri are the important ones, and CIri is even more important in this game, but they have plenty of time alone, a good example is the burying Skjall thing with her, while Triss has nothing, and Yen only has the eavesdropping and Avallach's lab.

 

[Kallelinski]

I will keep it simple, i just added what was posted in the last pages and what is in my first post.

At the top of the comment, there is always a link to the original post.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78WZJ66We2kRzRkZEFkTVlFT2M/view?usp=sharing

Tomorrow i will start going through the thread.

I am just sick of waiting for a miracle, i rather do something than wait for nothing, no pain, no gain.


Edit: This is just one pdf, i will have 5.

 

[TreesAreCanon]

@Kallelinski keep on fighting brother. Bleed until your last breath. We can do it, all together.

 

[Sephira]

You know what I would appreciate with all my heart?

Imagine "wait until sunrise you ploughing whoreson help Ciri with her business in Novigrad" quest being played from Ciri's perspective, but filled with dialogues and cutscenes.

Imagine the opportunities. Why is only Geralt with her? So that he can help her steal some horses and have a good laugh about it which results in Ciri being less suicidal?

Hell no. Play it from Ciri's POV. Bring Geralt, Triss and Yennefer. Bring your family.

Mkay, this seems interesting... let's read...

- If you romanced Triss, Geralt goes hand in hand with her, a hug here and a kiss there, Ciri and Yennefer go together right next to them, holding their hands as well. Or they could just all hold their fucking shouders, hell do I know. Dialogues. Many dialogues. Triss and Ciri get their sister time, exchanging a few sisterly words here and there, just jesting around and being very happy together. Ciri and Yen get a lot of mother-daughter time, Yen calling her a little ugly one, Ciri being seemingly angry about it at first, just about to open her mouth and say something, but then she just bursts into laughter and tears as she hugs Yen and says "I love you mother". Triss still feels insecure about her friendship with Yennefer, especially being in a relationship with Geralt, so she goes ahead and talks about it with everyone at first and then with each one of them individually later. Geralt looking lost and stupid as usual in these situations, not knowing what to do or say. She could say something about being sorry for taking an advantage of Geralts silly amnesia etc. Ciri looking sad at first, painfully realizing her mother and father aren't together anymore, but then she just kinda twists her shoulders and smiles about it being all like "don't worry about it sis, I understand". Yennefer looking very angry and cold at first, about to burst into another shitstorm of hers but then she calms down, takes a very deep breath and says some sincere words about understanding and friendship, I don't know, she can say something like "Well, we're all adults after all Triss, and therefore I accept Geralts decision and still consider you my friend. Take a good care of my man, I know he will be happy with you, you will both be happy" - pause, she takes a defeated look at Geralt, eyes full of love and desire, shakes her head to get rid of visions from all these past years in front of her eyes, sighs, looks at Triss and finishes her sentence - "and you both very much deserve it." Triss looking relieved since she was afraid of her reaction. Ciri being left out and sad, then they all cheer her up as they leave together to see some random fucking guy who helped her god knows when.

Pretty much. Very good alternative choice. I sensed suffering only reading it, poor Yen.

- If you romanced Yennefer it's similar, Triss and Ciri get a lot of sister time, talking about... uh... things that sisters usually talk about, right? Yen and Geralt just can't get enough of each other, Geralt failing to behave himself as usual, lustfully kissing Yennefer until Ciri can't take it anymore and goes like "oh come on, you two look awfully ridiculous"
(just like in the books when she saw them both naked). Triss feeling insecure afterwards, not being sure if her presence is wanted, to which Yen holds her shoulders, maybe even forehead to forehead, looks her deep in the eyes and without any sense of pride she tells her "You will always be a part of this family, no matter what Triss. Remember that as I shall never forget what you did for Ciri". Yennefer of course spends the same amount of time with Ciri, calling her names and all, enjoying their usual mother-daughter chat. Geralt is with them just laughing, shooting some dad jokes here and there. Triss isn't left out of it at all, her confidence grows stronger as she realizes she is with her family and has no bad blood with Yen at all. They joke and laugh together, leaving to see some random fucking guy who helped Ciri god knows when.

Waaaaa! Nothing to say. Perfect.

You understand my idea guys? I just want our heroes to get some closure and spend some quality family time, everyone finally finding understanding with each other. It doesn't matter why did who fuck who and when but that they're all one big happy family and Ciri isn't suicidal since she's happy, very happy. She's happy with Triss, Geralt and Yennefer. Family.

Happy beautiful ugly one.

How would #TeamTriss feel about Yen giving Geralt a bit longer hug than comfortable, then kissing him on his cheek and quickly turning away as she is wiping a tear from her eye? This happens after Yen tells Triss to take a good care of her man if Geralt romanced Triss.

I wouldn't mind Ciri noticing her tears either and being genuinely shocked about it, realizing how deeply Yennefer loves Geralt, as nothing is more pathetic than a sorceress in tears. I just wanted to write this in the end because I like my head where it is - on my shoulders.

Best take to make everyone happy, even if it may seems impossible. Pinned post, right now.

I was thinking, probably all of these opinions are fueled by the fact this is the last Witcher game with Geralt in it (and ofc his friends). That's why we are so eager to give a different approach on some game contents.

And your post gave me a big fat smile on my face. Thanks.

 

[TreesAreCanon]

@Gilthoniel

Wow, that was one hell of a read! I agreed with every single word.

I'm following his blog now, thanks for raising awareness about this.

 

[Sephira]

I'm reading interesting comment from http://oflilacandberries.tumblr.com/

Spoiler

send me a misconception you think people have about my character and I’ll explain if it’s true or not.



artwork by by KainTheVampireLord:

Basically the root of the opinion that Yennefer is a bitch, or a terrible person, or a bad character, or a bad love interest basically comes from her relationship with Geralt? Which is pretty stupid, because their relationship basically disproves this.


It’s obvious to everyone that Yennefer is not as openly nice to Geralt as people like Triss and even Keira are. (Then again, it can be argued that Triss isn’t so nice to Geralt as she appears to be, or at least, she shouldn’t be that nice, if you’re one of those people that prefers book canon over game canon.) But, on that same thread, Geralt generally isn’t a nice person either—in a broad sense he’s cynical, biting, sarcastic, judgmental and often childish; more specific to Yennefer, he fights with her, trades barbs, mocks her and insults her, too, in a similar fashion that she does to him. And that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Here you have two world-weary people, both around a century old, who’ve dealt with being lied to, abused (definitely in Yennefer’s case and probably in Geralt’s case, if not less extensively for him) betrayed and all other sorts of terrible things that have affected them, deeply. Of course a relationship between two people like that isn’t going to be sunshine and rainbows and cupcakes, cutesy pet names and constantly fawning over each other. Real life isn’t like that, and I applaud Sapkowski for not being afraid to explore realistic relationships in an otherwise unrealistic setting. Fighting doesn’t mean you don’t love someone; it means you’re not afraid to be real with them, to be yourself, even if it means you clash, and if you can come back together after that, the two of you are that much stronger for it, both as an item and as individuals. Sapkowski himself stated that Yen wasn’t meant to be the standard fantasy girl, the reward for the hero that will just silently fawn and faint into his arms—she’s going to fight him, she’s going to be three-dimensional, she’s going to have realistic emotions and she’s not going to be the doting and utterly devoted RPG girlfriend, the secondary character, all the time. After seeing what Yen could be like when they first met in Rinde, Geralt was well aware of what he was getting himself into by entering a relationship with her.


It also doesn’t help that people have a wonderful double standard wherein behavior like Yen’s probably would’ve been excused if she was a guy (”he just has trouble showing emotions because of his damaging past, he really does love her”) and that her past would’ve been brought up more if she were a guy (where are all the people talking about that?) She used to be a little girl named Jenny. She came from parents who abused and shunned her because she was afflicted with a physical deformity (being a hunchback and all.) She’d tried to take her own life. She was taught that sorceresses are seen as weak if they cry, or show emotion, or display affection, or allow themselves to fall in love—that she had to choose between being a sorceress or being a mother. The people who were supposed to love her and nurture her didn’t, and naturally it had repercussions on her adult life and her adult relationships. It doesn’t mean she doesn’t love Geralt – she has feelings and acknowledges them, she knows she can’t just walk away from him like she wants to sometimes because she does love him – it just means she shows them in unconventional ways and Geralt recognizes this. He returns them in these unconventional ways, meaning that sometimes they bicker and fight and tease and prod each other. Sometimes they do separate. And I love how, in TW3, Yen is weirded out if Geralt treats their relationship like a standard RPG relationship, or like a relationship with Triss, because the bond between them isn’t like that. It’s complex, and involves more gray areas than black or white ones.


A little while back on my Geralt blog I was talking to anons about people hating on Yen for the same misconception above, and it’s still true that Yen can be a secretive woman, but aside from one ormaybe two scenarios off the top of my head, she never really drags Geralt into anything. He has a choice, he knows it, and he makes those choices consciously. Hell, he’s the one who made the fucking choice to be with her in the first place because he recognized that what he saw on the outside wasn’t her, that she was more than how she wanted people to perceive her. Geralt can’t read the books. He doesn’t have access to everything fans of the series do and even he could see that obviously Yen isn’t the facade she wears to protect herself, to be the type of sorceress and the type of woman she was raised and taught to be.

Just a quick thought before passing out on the bed: how, when, and why Geralt "insults" her? Yeah, apart that big fat and funny quarrel in The Last Wish" and that "I'm going out forever but I'll leave flowers here just for you to know" approach, I fail to see how Geralt insults her.