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hungma147

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#10,721
Aug 10, 2015
Scryar said:
So 22 years old Ciri has to act like 13/14 years old Ciri?
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Yeah, 22 years old and she still act like 13/14 in this game. For me, this Ciri is a broken character.
 
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xxgwxx

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#10,722
Aug 10, 2015
Scryar said:
So she 22 years old Ciri has to act like 13/14 years old Ciri?
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Nope. I don't want her to throw angry tantrums. But she CAN do this being 22 as well, as we can see when Geralt refuses to visit Skjall's grave with her. So she can be immature when she wants to be.
 
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Scryar

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#10,723
Aug 10, 2015
xxgwxx said:
Nope. I don't want her to throw angry tantrums. But she CAN do this being 22 as well, as we can see when Geralt refuses to visit Skjall's grave with her. So she can be immature when she wants to be.
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Yes she CAN, be she doesn't have to. It's just funny how you consider it "bad writing" if she doesn't act like she is 13/14. It's just writing, neither good nor bad.
 
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Avin

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#10,724
Aug 10, 2015
Scryar said:
Not really comparable isn't it? Furthermore it doesn't have to happen if you think it's inappropriate.
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Why not comparable?

I'm not advocating she should confront Geralt decision about Triss: in fact, I would rather she did NOT.

Just pointing that she is not mature at all in this game. Al least not what I should call mature.
 
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xxgwxx

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#10,725
Aug 10, 2015
Scryar said:
Yes she CAN, be she doesn't have to. It's just funny how you consider if "bad writing" if she doesn't act like she is 13/14. It's just writing, neither good or bad.
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Wait, what? When did I say that Ciri not acting 13/14 is bad writing?

I said that Ciri being more or less indifferent to Geralt dumping Yennefer is bad writing.There's also something in between 'complete acceptance' and 'annoyed, spoiled brat' reaction. And this 'something' would be a believable reaction.
 
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Avin

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Aug 10, 2015
Ciri COULD find weird. COULD say she likes Yen more but support Geralt decision.

I think TW3 problem in general is that almost everybody (npcs) is eager to accept Geralt's choices as the way to go.
 
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Scryar

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Aug 10, 2015
Avin said:
Why not comparable?

I'm not advocating she should confront Geralt decision about Triss: in fact, I would rather she did NOT.

Just pointing that she is not mature at all in this game. Al least not what I should call mature.
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Because the situations are not comparable. When she destroyed the lab, she was angry and hurt after she heard that a person she obviously trusts and likes (Avallac'h) only sees a tool in her. why should she have the same emotions when she hear about Geralt and Triss?
Shouldn't she be rarther happy for Geralt if he found his love? I don't get how this situations are even in the slightest comparable.
 
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Ghastly30

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Aug 10, 2015
Everything started from that CDPR began responding to requests people in the Triss thread. They shouldn't do that, under any circumstances. They wanted to do well, but it came out wrong and I hope that they will learn from their mistakes in the future. As long as they haven't started to do that, everything was fine. People talked and complained that romace with Triss is underdeveloped, but that was all. No one had high hopes and illusions. Even if the developers themselves have come to the conclusion that Triss needs improvement, they don't need to share it in the forum and promise that they will do it. All the people can never be satisfied, so submitting any promises is a very big mistake. This led to further consequences. Seeing, that Triss fans come to fruition, people in the Yennefer thread began to exert slight pressure on the developers that they (we) also want some improvements for Yennefer. Since Triss fans have been "served", why should we be worse ? Yennefer also wasn't presented perfectly in this game.Therefore GingerEffect also began reply to this topic, ensuring that they are closely watching the things about which we write here. From that moment they dug themselves and started a real "fan servis".

It is evident that these dialogues are written by force, just to please people - Triss and Yennefer fans and it strongly reflects on their quality. Instead of improving what really is most important, they began to improve what by most people is the most important - waifu wars.
 
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wright1978

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#10,729
Aug 10, 2015
Scryar said:
Yes she CAN, be she doesn't have to. It's just funny how you consider it "bad writing" if she doesn't act like she is 13/14. It's just writing, neither good nor bad.
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Yeah when's treated like a child she can act immature(Skjall's grave) and at other times she can exhibit great maturity. Avallac'h lab i don't even consider an issue of maturity. It's an issue of how to blow off stress which Geralt starts, a bit like the snowball fight.
Really hate when people try and labels things that don't fit their desired interpretation as bad writing/or fanfic writing.
 
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Scryar

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Aug 10, 2015
xxgwxx said:
Wait, what? When did I say that Ciri not acting 13/14 is bad writing?

I said that Ciri being more or less indifferent to Geralt dumping Yennefer is bad writing.There's also something in between 'complete acceptance' and 'annoyed, spoiled brat' reaction. And this 'something' would be a believable reaction.
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Being happy for Geralt after all he went through is excatly what I would call a believable reaction of the mature person who cares for Geralt.
 
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carlos2033

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#10,731
Aug 10, 2015
:angry2: Why do you discuss about that ungrateful little brat who don`t respect her mother in my home
 
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Scholdarr.452

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#10,732
Aug 10, 2015
Gennad86 said:
I don't get what you want from her. Why weak-willed? Want her to express disapproval for choosing Triss? Want her to say something like "I hoped you would stay with Yennefer"? Or what?
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Basically yes. And on a greater scale of things I want her to have an own character that isn't 100% depending on Geralt. That's insulting...
 
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xxgwxx

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#10,733
Aug 10, 2015
Scryar said:
Being happy for Geralt after all he went through is excatly what I would call a believable reaction of the mature person who cares for Geralt.
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I think you mistaken (or CDPR mistaken) Ciri for being some perfect cinammon roll. She isn't. She has flaws and that should be presented - instead we get a one-dimensional hero. Her at least asking about Yennefer, why it didn't work out etc would be believable for me . Life is not so simple as the game here tries to convey - you can be happy that your dad is happy but at the same time you're confused,puzzled, whatever and you ask questions. This makes sense, instead of "So you and Triss are together? So cool, dad!"
 
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Zyvik

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#10,734
Aug 10, 2015
Scryar said:
Being happy for Geralt after all he went through is excatly what I would call a believable reaction of the mature person who cares for Geralt.
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And doesn't care about Yen.This is so not Ciri.
 
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xxgwxx

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#10,735
Aug 10, 2015
carlos2033 said:
Why do you discuss about that ungrateful little brat who don`t respect her mother in my home
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Yes. Let's go back to Yen. One of the best-written characters in this game ;) Ciri doesn't fall into this category, unfortunately.
 
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Scryar

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#10,736
Aug 10, 2015
xxgwxx said:
I think you mistaken (or CDPR mistaken) Ciri for being some perfect cinammon roll. She isn't. She has flaws and that should be presented - instead we get a one-dimensional hero. Her at least asking about Yennefer, why it didn't work out etc would be believable for me . Life is not so simple as the game here tries to convey - you can be happy that your dad is happy but at the same time you're confused,puzzled, whatever and you ask questions. This makes sense, instead of "So you and Triss are together? So cool, dad!"
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I can agree that Ciri is too flawless and too idealistic in the games. I would have prefered if some of her actions from the books (like killing innocent people for pleasure) would have had a bigger impact (or any influence at all) on her character in the games. But we are not talking about how books Ciri might have behaved, but how games ciri might react and her reaction seems perfectly in character for her. And even books Ciri might have reacted very different 8 years later. It's definitely not ooc like some people here are trying to make it. Not for books ciri and even less for games ciri.
 
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wright1978

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#10,737
Aug 10, 2015
xxgwxx said:
I think you mistaken (or CDPR mistaken) Ciri for being some perfect cinammon roll. She isn't. She has flaws and that should be presented - instead we get a one-dimensional hero. Her at least asking about Yennefer, why it didn't work out etc would be believable for me . Life is not so simple as the game here tries to convey - you can be happy that your dad is happy but at the same time you're confused,puzzled, whatever and you ask questions. This makes sense, instead of "So you and Triss are together? So cool, dad!"
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She exhibits surprise and questions him on how it happened. Geralt does try to explain to her he doesn't want to be with Yen and why he is with Triss.
 
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Scholdarr.452

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#10,738
Aug 10, 2015
It's funny how it's totally ok for some that the "the mature Ciri" who just wants her daddy to feel good before everything else is the same person as "the immature Ciri" who behaves like a child...

If Ciri WAS so mature aka "mentally stable and perfectly reasonable" all the "assurance" crap makes even less sense. Because a mentally stable and perfectly reasonable person doesn't need constant external assurance. Such a person is able to think, reason and act on its own behalf. Such a person can surely handle a daddy who doesn't agree everything that this person wants...

So basically the game doesn't work with a mentally stable and perfectly reasonable Ciri (because the ending would make no sense at all if not). But if she's not mentally stable and perfectly reasonable she should react differently to Geralt splitting up with Yen. She should act very differntly in general...

Sorry, for the Ciri offtopic. Will behave now. I promise.
 
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Scryar

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#10,739
Aug 10, 2015
Zyvik said:
And doesn't care about Yen.This is so not Ciri.
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Well, maybe she would care more if Yennefer wouldn't have "plans" for her. But we had this discussion before and I don't think there is anything that haven't been said yet.
 
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ooodrin

ooodrin

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#10,740
Aug 10, 2015
xxgwxx said:
Yes. Let's go back to Yen. One of the best-written characters in this game ;) Ciri doesn't fall into this category, unfortunately.
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Preety much, Ciri and Dandelion are my greatest disappointments in TW3 (character wise)
 
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