Yennefer of Vengerberg (all spoilers)

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I think there is another problem with the games (not only TW3) that deeply influences how relationships work in the games and how they feel. The games miss to show Geralt's internal conflict, his weakness, his insecurity. There are two big challenges in the books for Geralt: first, to accept that he is still a human being with all the correspondings feelings and flaws and second, to ackowledge that accepting destiny doesn't mean that you have no influence anymore. Both are deeply connected with both his relationships to Yennefer and Ciri. Getting a deeper knowledge about himself and accepting that he is much more than just what others made him is his true hero's journey. In the books Geralt is full of flaws - just like Ciri, Yennefer or Triss - and most of the time no "badass" at all. He is lonely, vulnerable, cynical and just plain weak. Yes, he is good with swords and he's a mutant. But on an emotional level he is just like a young boy, although he is already that old. Yennefer is the only one who truly knows him and who accepts his weaknesses. Their bond is not only a product of mere destiny but of the deep understanding for each other and willingness to accept the flaws of the other person. It's true love in the deepest sense of the meaning. Maybe this kind of love has become unpopular today but it's the kind of love most of us dream about in dark, lonely nights. Yen and Geralt have both deep internal conflicts with whom they are and whom they should be. They got stronger together by supporting the human and good side of each other. Their relationship is perhaps tragic but they are made for each other. Not just by destiny, but by who they are. Both of them would willingly sacrifice for each othe without hesitation because they truly love each other. There is deep emotional and mental connection between them the games were never able to establish between him and Triss, mostly because they failed to depict Geralt as a flawed human being instead of a badass superhero. People who only play the games naturally can't understand that. They only know the much more simplistic characters of the games. They don't understand their internal conflicts because they games don't show them properly (and after all video games are inherently bad in showing internal conflicts). It's a shame that so many people who only know the games talk badly about Yennefer and their relationship. Geralt wouldn't even nearly be the same man without her (and Ciri).



"The fountain bickered and smelled of wet stone. Flowers smelled and the ivy smelled.
"He suprised me," Lytta repeated. "I didn't expect that from him."
"Because you didn't know him." Yennefer calmly replied. "You didn't know him at all."


Andrzej Sapkowski, Season of Storms



Rant over. It's really hard to formulate all that stuff in English... ;)
 
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Yes, it's not an automatic: defend Yen -> you hateTriss.

Maybe I've benn too many years writing about both women in theis forum, but not reading my previous post doesn't mean newcomer don't know what I did :p

BTW I've never said anything about ignorants. But laziness is too spread among gamers and not everybody has a good and healthy curiosity ;)
 
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I'm not to this! Why? Because we don't see any scene between them that show the love they feel for each other. Only one: the meeting in Kaer Morhen. After that, nothing else. It seems like if Yennefer were only a friend to Ciri... >_<

And by the way, I don't know guys if you remember the mission Payback with Ciri, Geralt and two guys that helped Ciri in Novigrad. Ciri says everybody have plans for her, even Yennefer... How is that? I mean, really????? Did I miss something? As fas as I know, Yennefer has been always trying to protect her even if she has to risk her own life. She neved had an evil plan for her.

Here's the link, min 20:12 https://youtu.be/ztnB86O1x8k?t=20m12s

Yennefer wanted that she learns magic and stuff at Thanedd, but Ciri didn't like it at all and run away. Maybe that?

I've never read the books or played the other 2 games, what I know is passed on knowledge from friends of mine. I liked Yennefer because as I got to know her more I realised she wasn't just a bitch, y'know? We new ones aren't an ignorant lot

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Always pleased to read that.
 
I think we can make a new thread just for our feedback. And I mean really useful thread without mad spam and cries (like we all saw in the one which was finally closed)

Solid and rational suggestions to every part of the game with Yennefer. Micro offers with dialogues about/with Yen, etc.
I think constructive stuff has real chances to be heard by CDPR.
 
Yes, it's not an automatic: defend Yen -> you hateTriss.

Maybe I've benn too many years writing about both women in theis forum, but not reading my previous post doesn't mean newcomer don't know what I did :p

BTW I've never said anything about ignorants. But laziness is too spread among gamers and not everybody has a good and healthy curiosity ;)
Not to worry mate, I was only joking.
 
I dont think we need another thread.
This one is for yennefer so it includes problems and solutions as well ?
 
Yennefer wanted that she learns magic and stuff at Thanedd, but Ciri didn't like it at all and run away. Maybe that?.

But these are mere suppositions... Anyone -non books readers- who doesn't know very well Yennefer, would think she has evil plans for Ciri too. I didn't like that dialogue at all. It is very ambiguous!
 
But these are mere suppositions... Anyone -non books readers- who doesn't know very well Yennefer, would think she has evil plans for Ciri too. I didn't like that dialogue at al. It is very ambiguous!

True, maybe a few of them would think " aha sneaky sneaky.... "
 
I think we can make a new thread just for our feedback. And I mean really useful thread without mad spam and cries (like we all saw in the one which was finally closed)

Solid and rational suggestions to every part of the game with Yennefer. Micro offers with dialogues about/with Yen, etc.
I think constructive stuff has real chances to be heard by CDPR.

Would be find... if that wasn't give a lot of more work to CDPR. I don't ask for changing nothing but ...."deep sigh" if people only havve a litlle bit of patience for learning about other people and just don't stop in the first impression... "another deep, deep sigh"

Well, tha't fine! Thank you for let unburden myself. And Sorry ;)
 
Yennefer wanted that she learns magic and stuff at Thanedd, but Ciri didn't like it at all and run away. Maybe that?
I guess it's rather Ciri's disapproval for the lodge and its plans. Yennefer took her to the lodge before the pogrom in Rivia. I doubt that Yennefer would force Ciri to do anything (and she wouldn't be able to do so anyway) but that she rather wanted to show her the realistic possibilities that she had. But it's true that there always was conflict between Ciri and Yen in the books. Conflict that exists in pretty much every mother-daughter relationship. Conflict that comes naturally with complex human beings and especially while growing up. But they still love each other and Yennefer would do anything to protect Ciri. ;)

Becoming just a "normal" human being was actually never an option for Ciri. Yennefer knew that. CDPR constructed that kind of "happy witcheress ending" for her which is imo just inconsistent. But it's again something in which they mix up book lore and (differing) game lore without proper context...[/SIZE]
 
True, maybe a few of them would think " aha sneaky sneaky.... "

I tell you this because i've already known two people who have thought that since they haven't read the books and for example, her relationship with Emhyr is not fully clear either. There are missing lines!
 
But these are mere suppositions... Anyone -non books readers- who doesn't know very well Yennefer, would think she has evil plans for Ciri too. I didn't like that dialogue at all. It is very ambiguous!

Well, maybe we should ask Ciri why she thinks that way or even ask Yennefer directly, what that was about, oh, we can't.
 
True, maybe a few of them would think " aha sneaky sneaky.... "
As a bit of a cynic, I didn't trust anyone but Vesemir with Ciri, just because Vesemir seems like the kindly old grandfather who will kill a motherfucker if needs be, but the others, I always figured they've had plans for Ciri, maybe some worse than others (Philippa's plan for instance, never trusted her) but with that kind of power, someone will always want something from her.
 
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