Yes, he could. But what for? So he can show Geralt sulking and thinking about Yennefer all the time (as damn usual) ?
Why not, by now his obsession with Yennefer when other women are around had become a running gag of the novels, it never gets old
Though, for what he did with Mozaik in the SoS he deserved a punch in the face
That's the point :lol: The book will seem to be about GeraltxTriss, but it'll actually be GeraltxYennefer. Just like SoS seemed to be about GeraltxCoral, but was actually about GeraltxYen :wub:
Because that trip from Kaer Morhen to Nenneke was longer than that onenight stand. Geralt spent probably more time holding her hair, while she was getting rid of her intestinal contents.
But I have to admit, would be nice to see another chapter about them to see Geralt deny her one more time
Sapkowski's last book also had a real red haired sorceress and even with her, Coral, he got more time than with Triss and she didn't even need to use magic for that
However I don't get why people bring up Triss here, why do people always have to bring her up wherever they go? Is that all you care about, your waifu?
I am trying to explain the behaviour of Yennefer and their relationship, since a lot of people seem to misunderstand it, so keep it to that.
Ts, ts, that was never in the story. Istredd doing experiments on sorcerers infertility is not mentioned once, nor is there any direct reference abou Yen going there to end things with him (although until that point they were mostly on friends with benefits scale than real relationship when it comes to Istredd). I don´t know if you guys are reading too much into the allegories about the Snow queen or simply reading what you want there to be (speaking about waifu and stuff...).
As for Geralt "denying" Ciri, Ciri was never his daughter. She was daughter of Duny and Pavetta, grand-daughter of Calanthe, heir to the Cintra throne, family-in-law with rulling clan of Skellige and so on, and so on. Geralt adopted her after slaughter of Cintra because there she lost everyone and everything that she ever had. Before that, when he twice met her (in Cintra and Brokilon) she had her family, she had her lands, she had her life that is quite better than life of the witcher, mutant that people detest whose only destiny is to eventually die at the hands of a monster who was quicker than him. After all, when Geralt met Visenna for first and last time did he said "thank you for the fate you prepared for me"? There you go.
Well, you see, Sapkowski is a better writer than the entirety of CDPR combined. I'd say we are probably not even reading as deep as we have to be here.
So no. The opposite even.
The "she went there to dump Istredd" thing is... very logical and quite in line with the events from before and after. And the major themes of the work.
Of course it's there, don't want to sound rude my friend but it'd better if you read the short story once more.
A book doesn't need to spit all its content clearly on the reader's face to have a sense.
Because A.S. is one of those writers that wants the reader to think - that's why on many occasions he doesn't straight up tell you - "this and this happens, this character wants this and that" - Yennefer wanting to end things with Istredd can be interpreted from one line : "I thought one kestrel would be enough. But I was wrong"
And Istredd and him possibly being able to cure Yen's infertility is mentioned - from what I remember she says it herself in her conversation with Geralt.
Possible. One of the reason why I mentioned that its not referenced in the book is because I hoped someone will write the section down. Last time I read that story was some 2-3 years back, I think. And last night I browsed through the sections and failed to find anything about infertility although...
...this actually made me think within the context of the story. Interesting point there, hence why I hoped someone will give me that part of chapter that I missed.
Not rude at all. I had that book for bit over a decade now. I gladly from time to time open the Sapkowski books and re-read them (same goes for Narraterum trilogy), but this part I missed. Yen being baby-crazy, absolutely protective of Ciri, independent and still scarred by her past prior to being sorcerers and so on is pretty clear. As is that Sapkowski in last two books went all-in with Arthusian mythology that he took interest in that period of time when he wrote them (or the geographical volcano that he dropped in Narranterum series).
So, coming to the highlight? Probably, The Last Wish.
A lot of people really liked this quest including me, after I finished it I even decided to create my old thread before even finishing the game, because what I saw so far was really great and I thought no matter what is still coming, I need to talk with others about it now, well, long time ago...when I was full of hope for the family *rolleyes*
Anyway, I think this quest is the tip of the iceberg and I think it is a good finish to the introduction of Yennefer, if you don't like her after this, well, then "Hopfen und Malz ist an denjenigen verloren", it's a hopeless case
The quest is quite straightforward, not many options and mostly the dialogue is just nice to read or hear. As I said whenever both are alone, the way they talk to each other change tremendously, makes me wish we had 10 times more dialogues like these ones.
She is seriously thinking about offering gold? I am not sure, whether this is a joke I've missed to understand, but since her facial expression and tone isn't really sarcastic, I really have to wonder what this is about. Moreover Yennefer is actually quite rich...
A bit strange to think Geralt would take gold from her.
It isn't the first time, where you can refuse her, but this one here is really important, considering what she wants to do.
It is also important for a dialogue line later.
Why exactly she is looking for the djinn? While in the books she wanted the djinn for his power and maybe already to cure her infertility, however this time it is actually much more personal.
Another line important for later.
But you can see that she likes to be in control of things, she doesn't really like surprises, besides someone has to dive and she doesn't want to
This secretiveness is a bit exaggerated in my opinion. She never read his mind to see what he is hiding from her, she also didn't do that intentionally all the time. Yes, she doesn't like secrets, however she already told him that she rather not know everything and as I said this is common among sorcerers, they are used to do this all the time with everyone, Geralt is just able to sense it.
I think it was a quite cute/romantic thing between them that he thought "good things" for her, too bad this isn't mentioned in the game.
It is quite possible that Geralt might have not helped her then. He wished to be bound to her for a reason and not just to save her life, so to wish that his wish will be nullified, well, maybe he doesn't want that in the first place, but I will come to that later.
In the books she asked Geralt to stop risking his life for every damn job he takes, she feared to lose him one day just for a lousy job. So to "be careful", she really means that. She took care of his health more than he himself sometimes.
Sword of Destiny, chapter: The Bounds of Reason
She was actually quite pissed in that chapter, because Geralt left her just one day, yet when he crossed her path, he came back with puppy eyes and in the end we got this:
Why help her firstonly to back off now? But again, he threatens her to leave,there is no wish to force him to do that. He could leave whenever he wants to.
And here it is a bit strange. Yennefer and Geralt were in the end actually confident regarding their feelings towards each other, they didn't need this clarification, however I think CDPR implement this, because there was not much else left to tell about this relationship. They already solved their issues and were happy with each other at the end.
But it kinda fits that Yennefer could be unsecure about it now, because of what Geralt did in the last 2 years.
He spent his time with several other women again, with Shani and even Triss, her former best friend, and now? Is he really the same as before again? Are her feelings still the same for him just his for her? What if this is really just a sideeffect of the wish? What if...? What if..? What if...?
Yennefer, who wants to be in control of her life, wants clarity, she wants to know, whether this feeling she had 20-25 years is really her own, something she never felt before and never felt for anyone else (except maybe Ciri).
No, I don't think Geralt would understand it, since he was the one uttering this wish because of the feelings he had towards her. He already felt like this before that wish back then.
And yes, I think Geralt might unsecure about it too, that maybe her feelings towards her are just made by the wish he uttered. How crushing would it be to learn that the woman you love for 20+ years, that this woman only loved you, because you kinda forced her to do that?
I chose the later option, as I rather like the idea that "they = we" did this.
Wrong, he always could say no to her, but he didn't want to.
Both already said that this wish was to bind their fates together forever, no mentioning of love at all.
As Geralt said himself, he always thought of her, wherever, whenever and with whoever, be the woman blonde, brown, red or another black.
There was only Yennefer for him and there is only her for him.
Hmm... I expected... I don't know what I expected, actually. A bit of vertigo, perhaps.
I thought... you'd become a stranger to me... That I'd look at you and not feel a thing...
But it's not like that at all. Nothing's changed.
Djinn mighta cheated us after all...
Why?
Cause I don't feel that anything's changed, either.
There is no point in discussing this option, as it is justbullshit to be honest.
The wish was never responsible for what those two felt towards each other.
So the quest and its dialogues are already telling you several times that the wish was never responsible for the love between those two. The wish was always to save her life by binding her fate to Geralt's. Save her life? Yes, he uttered this wish to save her life.
However this really hideous breakup is kinda implying that with the wish is gone, Geralt's feelings are gone too, which is just wrong. As I said seconds ago, the wish was not responsible for that, but to really understand that, you have to read the chapter The Last Wish.
Geralt uttered his wish to save her life because of his feelings towards her.
In my old thread I tried to explain why exactly he did what he did:
Witchers weren't supposed to have feelings, they should be monster killers with no feelings and a neutral attitude. They should take contracts, kill monsters and take the reward, then riding to the next village. That was and is their job, nothing else.
Pretty similiar to the sorcerers, aren't? No feelings are allowed and only living for the job
Anyway, as far as i remember Geralt was rather unique, as he is constantly not neutral and always doing foolish human things, which he isn't supposed to do, e.g. when he fought the Striga, he was careless and didn't want to kill it, but save the girl. By doing that he was almost killed by her.
But meeting Yennefer just topped everything. Geralt had always an eye for little things, but after meeting Yennefer for the first time, he constantly saw things on her, which weren't important, at least he thought so:
Later on Yennefer tries to inprison the famous djinn, but she can't do it and she will die, when nobody helps her. Geralt could just do nothing and let her die, especially after she has used him, but he just couldn't. He had to do something, even if it meant to risk his own life for a woman he barely knew:
FATE, not love!
He is feeling something he can't understand.
He is doing something, which is irrational.
He is saving a woman, who never asked to be saved.
He is condemning himself, his own life, to her, a sorceress, a beautiful woman from the outside, with an messy character on the inside.
He is seeing her true character and still want to save her, be with her.
He, a mutant, a nonhuman, a killer without feelings, ruthless, neutral, merciless, a Witcher does one of the most iconic feature of a human being, having empathy with another person despite whoever that person is.
I would say that she didn't already loved him at this point, that's for sure, yet she was really moved by his dedication and unselfish final wish. That someone who saw her real character still did something so unselfish for her, that was just unexplainable for her. In all her life nobody ever did this to her, she only knew people, who tried to exploit and use.
In a later chapter, Ice Shard, her side of the relationship will be better explained. That chapter is about how she finally accepts her feelings for him or at least admit to herself that she is capable of love and that Geralt is the only one she will ever love. It still take time before both of them actually confess it to each other, but both already knew it, yet both were too scared to say it.
And now? In the game?
She pretty much uttered her wish for the same reason Geralt had in the books. She didn't wish to be forever with him, to be loved endless by him, no she only wished to remove the wish, because she wants to love him without any doubt. She did it because of love and not for love, the same reason Geralt did in the books, because of love.
Instead of wishing for whatever she wants, she just wants to be truly with him without any wish.
At the beginning I said this quest made me create that topic (and now the new one) in the first place, so I want to show you an excerpt of my first impression of it:
and to finish it:
Credits to @Wasaabii28
The wish itself was never an issue for both of them in the books, never. Sapkowski never meantioned it once through the whole saga, that's how "important" it was for their love-life. It was merely the beginning of it and not the foundation.
P.S.: I could probably write much much more about it, but I said so much, I am probably repreating myself nowadays a bit.
A lot of people really liked this quest including me, after I finished it I even decided to create my old thread before even finishing the game, because what I saw so far was really great and I thought no matter what is still coming, I need to talk with others about it now, well, long time ago...when I was full of hope for the family *rolleyes*
Anyway, I think this quest is the tip of the iceberg and I think it is a good finish to the introduction of Yennefer, if you don't like her after this, well, then "Hopfen und Malz ist an denjenigen verloren", it's a hopeless case
The quest is quite straightforward, not many options and mostly the dialogue is just nice to read or hear. As I said whenever both are alone, the way they talk to each other change tremendously, makes me wish we had 10 times more dialogues like these ones.
Not really smart to upset a sorceress. Would have been funny, if she had transformed him into an animal, then Geralt comes in, looks at her and she is like "I know, I know, I will transform him back in an instant, but let me have the fun for a second, he started it."
What?
She is seriously thinking about offering gold? I am not sure, whether this is a joke I've missed to understand, but since her facial expression and tone isn't really sarcastic, I really have to wonder what this is about. Moreover Yennefer is actually quite rich...
A bit strange to think Geralt would take gold from her.
Funny, you can actually refuse her plea and say that you won't help her. You can actually oppose and not help her, even without removing the wish!!!
It isn't the first time, where you can refuse her, but this one here is really important, considering what she wants to do.
It is also important for a dialogue line later.
Why exactly she is looking for the djinn? While in the books she wanted the djinn for his power and maybe already to cure her infertility, however this time it is actually much more personal.
Why wouldn't he help?
Another line important for later.
Her boat, her rudder. The same happens with Lambert later.
But you can see that she likes to be in control of things, she doesn't really like surprises, besides someone has to dive and she doesn't want to
The first hint for what his wish was used. He didn't use the wish to have her endless love, he wished to bound her fate to his. Why? I will explain it after the quest.
Yeah, because she trusts him and as she said, she risked it, however she probably knew he would help her anyway.
That again.
This secretiveness is a bit exaggerated in my opinion. She never read his mind to see what he is hiding from her, she also didn't do that intentionally all the time. Yes, she doesn't like secrets, however she already told him that she rather not know everything and as I said this is common among sorcerers, they are used to do this all the time with everyone, Geralt is just able to sense it.
I think it was a quite cute/romantic thing between them that he thought "good things" for her, too bad this isn't mentioned in the game.
I could imagine that she feared Geralt wouldn't help her, if she told him why exactly she wants that djinn and she might be right.
It is quite possible that Geralt might have not helped her then. He wished to be bound to her for a reason and not just to save her life, so to wish that his wish will be nullified, well, maybe he doesn't want that in the first place, but I will come to that later.
This is like the 5th or 6th time she said to him to be careful so far, considering that Geralt is all the time in risky situations, this seems to be a bit unnecessary, but this isn't so trivial as you might think.
In the books she asked Geralt to stop risking his life for every damn job he takes, she feared to lose him one day just for a lousy job. So to "be careful", she really means that. She took care of his health more than he himself sometimes.
Sword of Destiny, chapter: The Bounds of Reason
She was actually quite pissed in that chapter, because Geralt left her just one day, yet when he crossed her path, he came back with puppy eyes and in the end we got this:
Why help her firstonly to back off now? But again, he threatens her to leave,there is no wish to force him to do that. He could leave whenever he wants to.
And here it is a bit strange. Yennefer and Geralt were in the end actually confident regarding their feelings towards each other, they didn't need this clarification, however I think CDPR implement this, because there was not much else left to tell about this relationship. They already solved their issues and were happy with each other at the end.
But it kinda fits that Yennefer could be unsecure about it now, because of what Geralt did in the last 2 years.
He spent his time with several other women again, with Shani and even Triss, her former best friend, and now? Is he really the same as before again? Are her feelings still the same for him just his for her? What if this is really just a sideeffect of the wish? What if...? What if..? What if...?
Yennefer, who wants to be in control of her life, wants clarity, she wants to know, whether this feeling she had 20-25 years is really her own, something she never felt before and never felt for anyone else (except maybe Ciri).
No, I don't think Geralt would understand it, since he was the one uttering this wish because of the feelings he had towards her. He already felt like this before that wish back then.
And yes, I think Geralt might unsecure about it too, that maybe her feelings towards her are just made by the wish he uttered. How crushing would it be to learn that the woman you love for 20+ years, that this woman only loved you, because you kinda forced her to do that?
Really important information here. A djinn CAN NOT attack his master. That's how Geralt saved Yennefer's life in the books.
Again, the wish bound their fates together.
Interesting to know that she is merely a bit tired now, looks like she got a lot more powerful in the last 20 years, who knows how much power she has now.
I chose the later option, as I rather like the idea that "they = we" did this.
One more time she thanks him.
Wrong, he always could say no to her, but he didn't want to.
As I said above, I really think Geralt would have quarrely with himself, if he knew it from the start.
Both already said that this wish was to bind their fates together forever, no mentioning of love at all.
Good, because the wish never had any influence on it and now she has the clarification about it. Her feelings were never an effect of the wish, never.
and the same counts for Geralt. His feelings for her begun before his wish and in the end nothing and nobody changed it ever :heart:
As Geralt said himself, he always thought of her, wherever, whenever and with whoever, be the woman blonde, brown, red or another black.
There was only Yennefer for him and there is only her for him.
Hmm... I expected... I don't know what I expected, actually. A bit of vertigo, perhaps.
I thought... you'd become a stranger to me... That I'd look at you and not feel a thing...
But it's not like that at all. Nothing's changed.
Djinn mighta cheated us after all...
Why?
Cause I don't feel that anything's changed, either.
There is a video about this.
There is no point in discussing this option, as it is justbullshit to be honest.
The wish was never responsible for what those two felt towards each other.
So the quest and its dialogues are already telling you several times that the wish was never responsible for the love between those two. The wish was always to save her life by binding her fate to Geralt's. Save her life? Yes, he uttered this wish to save her life.
However this really hideous breakup is kinda implying that with the wish is gone, Geralt's feelings are gone too, which is just wrong. As I said seconds ago, the wish was not responsible for that, but to really understand that, you have to read the chapter The Last Wish.
Geralt uttered his wish to save her life because of his feelings towards her.
In my old thread I tried to explain why exactly he did what he did:
Witchers weren't supposed to have feelings, they should be monster killers with no feelings and a neutral attitude. They should take contracts, kill monsters and take the reward, then riding to the next village. That was and is their job, nothing else.
Pretty similiar to the sorcerers, aren't? No feelings are allowed and only living for the job
Anyway, as far as i remember Geralt was rather unique, as he is constantly not neutral and always doing foolish human things, which he isn't supposed to do, e.g. when he fought the Striga, he was careless and didn't want to kill it, but save the girl. By doing that he was almost killed by her.
But meeting Yennefer just topped everything. Geralt had always an eye for little things, but after meeting Yennefer for the first time, he constantly saw things on her, which weren't important, at least he thought so:
A little bit later in the chapter, he has a chat with an elf, who is in love with Yennefer:
Yennefer casted a spell on Geralt to settle down old scores in town, nothing serious, she just needed the manpower from him and he owed her something anyway, because she healed Dandelion. That was the only reason Geralt approached her anyway.
Later on Yennefer tries to inprison the famous djinn, but she can't do it and she will die, when nobody helps her. Geralt could just do nothing and let her die, especially after she has used him, but he just couldn't. He had to do something, even if it meant to risk his own life for a woman he barely knew:
and THAT's the damn reason why he goes off to her and try to save her.
FATE, not love!
He is feeling something he can't understand.
He is doing something, which is irrational.
He is saving a woman, who never asked to be saved.
He is condemning himself, his own life, to her, a sorceress, a beautiful woman from the outside, with an messy character on the inside.
He is seeing her true character and still want to save her, be with her.
He, a mutant, a nonhuman, a killer without feelings, ruthless, neutral, merciless, a Witcher does one of the most iconic feature of a human being, having empathy with another person despite whoever that person is.
I would say that she didn't already loved him at this point, that's for sure, yet she was really moved by his dedication and unselfish final wish. That someone who saw her real character still did something so unselfish for her, that was just unexplainable for her. In all her life nobody ever did this to her, she only knew people, who tried to exploit and use.
In a later chapter, Ice Shard, her side of the relationship will be better explained. That chapter is about how she finally accepts her feelings for him or at least admit to herself that she is capable of love and that Geralt is the only one she will ever love. It still take time before both of them actually confess it to each other, but both already knew it, yet both were too scared to say it.
And now? In the game?
She pretty much uttered her wish for the same reason Geralt had in the books. She didn't wish to be forever with him, to be loved endless by him, no she only wished to remove the wish, because she wants to love him without any doubt. She did it because of love and not for love, the same reason Geralt did in the books, because of love.
Instead of wishing for whatever she wants, she just wants to be truly with him without any wish.
At the beginning I said this quest made me create that topic (and now the new one) in the first place, so I want to show you an excerpt of my first impression of it:
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Now coming to the climax for me so far, the quest "The Last Wish", also something i didn't really expected. Yen asks you to help her finding a djinn, but without telling you why. In the end she admits that she wants to remove the forced bond between them, which Geralt wished upon them to save her life from the djinn.
This scene is quite remarkable as it shows that Yen is not in any way the person anymore she was in the The Last Wish chapter. Back then she wanted the djinn to get infinite power, maybe even fixing her infertility, which is arguable at this point in the story though. But this time she wants to know, whether what she is feeling for Geralt are her feelings or just the product of a wish. It's interesting that Geralt can say, "i don't want you to do that", showing that Geralt fears that this could lead to something awful and to be honest, i feared it too, but Yen doesn't change her mind and says her last wish.
The scenes after that show that she is indeed feeling the same for him nonetheless and you can either say the same or break another heart by saying to stay friends (don't you dare).
Sure, on one side this creates the possibility to stay with Triss, since you can say now 'no' to Yen without annoying people like me insisting on the importance of the last wish in the books
She wants to know, whether everything that happened in the whole story, books and games, was because of her feelings or not. This includes even Ciri ! Since she would have never been a mother figure for her, if she was never saved by Geralt's last wish and bound to
Imagine the horrific insight she would have, if with the removal of the wish all her feelings for Geralt and Ciri were fake, just fabricated due to a wish? Devastating.
And then they finally said it out loud and even as a man, I... :wub: (...something like that, *cough*, damn rain.
This not only shows that the wish was never the reason why they felt in love with each other but also gives Yen the certainty that she loves him and he loves her and that the wish was never the reason for it, just the beginning.
and to finish it:
Credits to @Wasaabii28
The wish itself was never an issue for both of them in the books, never. Sapkowski never meantioned it once through the whole saga, that's how "important" it was for their love-life. It was merely the beginning of it and not the foundation.
P.S.: I could probably write much much more about it, but I said so much, I am probably repreating myself nowadays a bit.
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True she had a good life at the time, however quality of life was a non factor in his reasons for not claiming her. She was rightfully his by Law of Surprise yet he tried to escape that inevitability/responsibility:
First time:
Second:
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The 3rd time, he finally claimed her in Sodden because he finally accepted that destiny, not because she was destitute.
Edit: Sorry Kallelinski, this is getting off topic. I'll behave from now on
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It feels like she's talking to the player here. Something like "Hey, player, if you don't like me then don't bother doing this quest, cause I'm not giving you anything
IIRC there is one or even two good recipes during this quest - so totally worth it!
And people wonder why he's reluctant to talk about the games and their lore and praise them :rofl:
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So am I the only person who took it as her sarcasm?... ;D It was meant to be a joke, imo
Maybe, but her voice and her face are serious in the moment.
It was just not the best way in my opinion.
TLDR, i still have my doubts about that...
That's why, in that case, she is a good "troll"
If her voice or face was changed it will another typical joke, imo.
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